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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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That's more of a general P3 problem across versions P3R is more tolerable thanks to the gameplay improvements although it is the easiest version.
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Yeah I feel ya they should do Garou given both Kazuya and Garou scale are similar and close enough for debate
I agree but Liu Kang overdue as hell and even terms of Runback peeps be wanting Scorpion,Sub Zero,Shang Tsung back alot more
Nothing new for Shao other than he's a general in the new timeline
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Who you think wins from your knowledge available of both
its kinda tough with Fire God form now to get a suitable opponent
I know Scorpion has that dude from the video game, forgot his name, but he has any others? Whom can Subzero return for though, let alone Shang Tsung has the same problem like Liu Kang currently, he is a titan comparable to him and thats without taking in consideration who fights him to be less stompy
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Superstar Showdown Blogs: Caine vs Tenna(The Amazing Digital Circus vs Deltarune)
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I was gonna post Tenna being killed but what do you mean he won it.
Roulxs Kaard more like ***** hard
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well..well..well, This week is full of surprises, isn't it?
Superstar Showdown Blogs: Caine vs Tenna(The Amazing Digital Circus vs Deltarune)
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Street Fighter is open to the idea of Baki the character to come in their world when asked about Yujiro coming to Tekken
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Baki: Thanks Street Fighter 6, with the help of your scaling, I'll finally be strong enough to defeat my father!
Yujior: Laughs in Tekken.
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If they get Baki and streetfighter six, that would actually be super hype
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If DB did Garou vs Kazuya, Garou Prob would win on Monster alone.
Meh they did BakuReze knowing it was a stomp from the start
Just do Jago or Mori if you want clicks for Liu
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You think the same personally too or its just what Death Battle may pick
I guess but they can only lowball Liu Kang so much so it doesnt look too unfair if its Jago, dunno on Mori
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DB,don't have feelings on who should be the the victor other than I want both characters on
Outside Black Hole fatality he doesn't use in Canon ,Liu relatively fights on a grounded scale
Mori prob be easier
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I doubt Mark Waid gives enough of a shit to do that.
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Then they're dumb, it's that simple. Creation Trio scaling being used this liberally is still dumb as shit, too.
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Speaking of Yujiro, his glazers on Twitter are disgusting, making **** jokes about Tifa since she ended up in SF instead of Tekken.
They're acting like Tifa wouldn't just one tap Yujiro and his entire verse.
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Got it for her, it was funny seeing her reaction to what their summoning in 3 is like
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Literally what are you talking about lmaoBecause sentry fans loved using out of context scans at the beginning of this waiting period and people just got tired of correcting the same point over and over.
Doesn't help we have vague posters here saying " I believe sentry wins" then not actually debating their stance on why.
There's legitimate reason to see that Sentry could actually win this. All Prime has is the retcon-punching but everything else he has isn't that much outside of Sentry's wheelhouse given that he's fought other powerhouses in the same league as him; especially since he doesn't have an answer to the infinitendrils, possession, soul manipulation, memory/empathic/perception manipulation, and other bullshit powers that Sentry/Void has.
There's also reason to believe that Death Battle would scale Sentry to have incomprehensible speed thanks to flying so fast that he made Thor dizzy when we know that Thor is able to cross interstellar distances instantenously and could possibly resist Prime's strength and retcon punches thanks to scaling him to Hulk who can break chains from the First Firmament and literally punch into Gutter Space.
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Mostly, but still both have ridículous amount of regeneration and inmortality that again the true question remains in who can be Ensure his rival be stay dead in a DB, not in who can permakill eachother.
Asíde of that, prime has properly counters to that Powers against corruption and empathy manipulation against the black lantern ring/nekron.
And memory/mind manipulation in Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds issue 3, and if i remember correctly in Superman 2023 issue 38 witchfire was trying to steal Prime's soul.... But has not effect in him.
And the same Will go with Prime scaling with other héroes/villians with infinite/inmeasurable speed, and other thing is
Popup: While Gwen orchestrated the situation in Gwenpool Strikes Back, Hulk's power had not been altered in any way. Nor was this artistic stylization; Hulk explicitly broke into Gutter Space three times on his own. No other character in the story did so other than Gwen, herself.
Hulk vs Godzilla episode.
It's actually doubtful too if they let Sentry scale to the gutter space with that statement. And difficult to Say it can resist properly the Retcon Punch who can alter/modify reality in all of the DC verse.
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What did Sukuna do to deserve that kind of ass whooping?
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No bruh
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being Sukuna
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Witchfire couldn't manipulate his soul because Prime is immune to all forms of magic. If she's using magic to do anything with his soul, he'll automatically no-sell it.
Prime's counters doesn't automatically mean immunity; when Shadow Lass used her darkness against him, she was still actively sapping the sunlight from his cells which indicates that he's still vulnerable to it. He was still affected by his memories and mind being manipulated during Legion of 3 Worlds had it not been for an evil Saturn Girl's intervention in the first place.
It also wouldn't make sense to not scale him to Hulk's gutter space punching, unless Hulk wasn't going all out against him, it'd be weird for him to not be punching with that amount of force needed. It's also arguable to claim that what Prime is doing is literal plot manipulation when it could be just high-tier reality bending that's no different from what Scarlet Witch was doing during House of M. It's not until very recently that DC has been pushing him into a more meta territory akin to Gwenpool, but I doubt that Death Battle would've covered it by the time his tenure in the mainline comics has been finished.
Prime's counters doesn't automatically mean immunity; when Shadow Lass used her darkness against him, she was still actively sapping the sunlight from his cells which indicates that he's still vulnerable to it. He was still affected by his memories and mind being manipulated during Legion of 3 Worlds had it not been for an evil Saturn Girl's intervention in the first place.
It also wouldn't make sense to not scale him to Hulk's gutter space punching, unless Hulk wasn't going all out against him, it'd be weird for him to not be punching with that amount of force needed. It's also arguable to claim that what Prime is doing is literal plot manipulation when it could be just high-tier reality bending that's no different from what Scarlet Witch was doing during House of M. It's not until very recently that DC has been pushing him into a more meta territory akin to Gwenpool, but I doubt that Death Battle would've covered it by the time his tenure in the mainline comics has been finished.
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In a game like Pokemon it kind of does. Does the route 1 trainer I went back to fight with my team full of 6 Arceus’ suddenly scale because I beat them? You can’t even use level based scaling because every post game has random ass no name trainers with Pokemon higher leveled than the E4 and some champion Pokemon.
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Why are Pokemon/Digimon guys beefing again, did I miss something
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The day the VS sphere collectively realizes that 99% of “this character lit up the sky” type statements are not intended to be genuinely measured to say that they’re emitting 219437 Shit-a-tons of TNT is the day we achieve world piece.
Unironically? Light based feats are no different from sound based ones where the writer accidentally says that something is so many decibels that it would destroy the universe because they don’t know how decibels work. The only difference is that its much easier to write a nonsensical level of sound than it is to do the same for light/brightness.
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i t hink they all played too much roblox jojo games where his SP has TS that would last 20s
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Yeah, let's debunk this really quick.
1. Nobody sentry has fought is prime level, not world breaker hulk, not all father Thor and not even molecule man because he was weakened at that time so he doesn't scale to MM full power.
2. Possession and soul manipulation are hard countered when he resisted the black lantern ring trying to insta kill him. Nekron has full control of ur soul and body when he corrupts you.
3. The infinitendrils wouldn't do anything to prime, same with memory/empathy/perception manipulation. The darkest knight tried that and got a retcon punch to the jaw.
4. Mind you, sentry does NOT scale to fractured son hulk. Only world breaker hulk so the chain feat isnt usable here
5. Prime is faster regardless just for breaking out of the Omnipresent speed force AND Bart allen needing all of the high outer speed force to catch up to prime.
Also faster than superman who broke the bonds of infinity.
6. Prime having the retcon punch as the "only thing he has" is funny because that's all he needs, sentrys supposed resistance to retcons are revealed to be mind manipulation on IN UNIVERSE authors (not the real life ones) sentry has never tanked a attack like the retcon punch in his entire history and there's 0 reason to say he has.
When people have to use the cope of "magic in marvel has plot manipulation and sentry has tanked thors lightning" that's how you know it's getting desperate, guess captain America's shield has plot manipulation resistance now by that logic.
7. Sentry has no way to permanently put prime down because even if he does kill him, he'll just return to earth prime like nothing happened. Prime has a temu green door that sentry would not be able to figure out in time before he gets retconned and turned into a normal guy. (Which has happened when he forgot who he was)
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Depends, If the game treats like you had a actually challenge with them and are probally at your Level.
I don't think this example works anyway. If you skip a route 1 battle and come back was the champ, I don't think they gonna treat you was the Region Champion, and more like a rookie trainee. Since you probally not supposed to do that.
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It's still show he is capable of content with that kind of Powers, as given other Powers prominents of Magic was not able to affect him at all,and Even then the Black Lantern Rings, once they come in contact with a person, changes them fundamentally - mind, body, and soul. Whoever is given the Black Lantern Ring, they fall under Nekron's control, and he was able to resist that.
as for the darkness Powers, he still can absorb sentry's energy to refull himself and viceversa, not even Nightshade wasn't able to contain him in her darkness, and his armor can protect him from that.
Still he has mental resistances that stopped Saturn Girl from reaching into his mind. As the battle went on, he properly lowered his defences to let her see what he wanted her to see.
And This take Will be controversial, because, in My perspective, My OWN perspective, Sentry doesn't fully survive the house of M events, he has his memories changed like every other héroe/villian in that reality, the only thing that is Say that he can survive that Even is having some kind of memories of the void at first place but.... That's it. He Even isn't aware why he is having This, and mostly the void has Even do is having his allucinations and nightmares, nothing else
At maximum, i Say he can still survive the house of m event, but not fully. As a small degree at Best.
He Even has been affected by absorbing man "reality punches"(and i learned that yesterday XD)
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Does this ever actually happen? There's plenty of time that the opponent says that they had a challenging fight but of course it was hard for them since they lost. Pokemon has never taken into account how hard of a challenge the player actually had when it comes to dialogue.
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1. Saying that Prime's strength isn't comparable to Hulk at his strongest states is just bad faith. All Father Thor can hit instantenous speeds, potentially even faster. I'm sick and tired of this argument with Molecule Man being "weakened" because you leave out the context that Owen being not in the right state of mind is him weakened when he's been in mentally unstable states before ike his fight with Kosmos; it's not known who's stronger than the other but both are within the same ballpark of power regardless.
2. I'm talking about Prime's soul being directly targeted, manipulated, and controlled which Sentry/Void can very much do. Prime overwhelming a Black Lantern Ring one time isn't enough to prove that he can just overpower Nekron. Plus, Prime's solar armor feeding him sunlight is just one big weakpoint for Sentry to take advantage of in destroying; it doesn't help that Sentry can passively take in ambient energy from anywhere in existence from the Negative Zone to the Microverse, or even from stars billions of lightyears away. He can even sap the energy off of other beings as well which Prime has been very vulnerable to multiple times before in Legion of 3 Worlds.
3. Okay this one's just blatantly out of context. The Darkest Knight never used any powers to manipulate Prime into giving him what he wants; that's a blatant misreading of the Death Metal Secret Origin comic. He was literally just telling him straight-up that he could have what he wants, the scene where we see him flying around in this idyllic world is just him fantasizing what he would have if he accepted the Darkest Knight's offer. Even if he was actually trying to manipulate him, it's arguable if the Darkest Knight was full-on trying in the first place when he very well has the power to control him outright.
4. Sentry scales to Hulk in general; Death Battle will just give him the Hulk comparisons regardless since they've done it before when they compared Kratos' and Asura's speeds.
5. Prime breaking out of the Speed Force does not imply he has infinite speed from that feat lmao. There's a better argument to be made that either the Speed Force spat him back out because he wasn't a speedster or that he punched his way out so unless he's explicitly stated that he ran/flew so fast that the Speed Force couldn't contain him, then I'll believe it. Either way, he'll still get the infinte speed argument due to being a Pre-Crisis version of Superman but that doesn't make him faster than Sentry when he can fly so fast that he makes Thor dizzy from it. They're just in the same league.
6. Wonder Man and Moonstone have made it very clear that Sentry losing control of himself is considered to be objectively worse than the Scarlet Witch's warping of Marvel's omniverse and continuity during House of M. Sure, he and the Void barely survived, but that doesn't mean that they were fully gone and that doesn't mean that if you were to kill him now in this diminished form that he'd be gone for good.
Also, what the hell are you talking about magic having plot manipulation. Sentry doesn't even use nor does he need magic to be this powerful and nowhere in my statements on this topic thus far have I ever mentioned this at all lmao.
7. Actually, Prime can very much possibly die and has come close to it before. He was depowered and at the mercy of Superman and Power Girl during the ending of the Sinestro Corps War and at the end of Dark Knights Death Metal: The Secret Origin where he (and I'm being generous with my interpretation here) barely survived fighting against the Darkest Knight and it was revealed that the Time Trapper had him whisked away to a pocket reality that superficially resembles Earth Prime.
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Prime's not that special for resisting a Black Lantern Ring. Don Hall and Dawn Granger could resist it, and Roy Harper during Infinite Frontier was able to use the Black Lantern Ring for himself with some degree of free will. Hell, the ring tried to take control of Roy but all he had to do was remember that he needed to look for his daughter Lian and he was able to wrest some control for himself.
Like I said, his power armor has been wrecked multiple times before, Sentry could very much destroy it and then sap his solar energy from his body. Prime's never displayed power absorption that way anyways and Sentry's still passively absorbing all forms of energy from literally everywhere so he's always getting a boost all the time.
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Don and Dawn are able to do it because of the nature of their powers being inherently antithical to the black lantern rings, not because of anything based on willpower or strength. Roy also was regularly possessed by the ring and needed to be saved multiple times with the help of other people like Jade and Obsidian while Prime never had that problem.
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That still doesn't make Nekron's control over Roy total. He was still passively resisting it as much as he was being possessed. It's capricious to make the claim that Prime would scale to literally Nekron based off of him overpowering a Black Lantern Ring when those rings have been overpowered before by singular emotions like Kilowog wiping out the Black Lantern Airwave with one focused blast of his will. Hell, Hal Jordan was able to control Nekron while he was a Black Lantern and used him to take out Volthoom who embodied the entire emotional spectrum.
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