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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

TMaakkonen said:
Most trainers scaling to Creation Trio because of scaling to another trainer outside CTrio games is kinda bunk tbh.

Sure, Red is strong trainer, but like he technically has never officially won against players canonically in SunMoon, BW, GoldSilver etc. Its actually not good because Pokemon has like no other way to get to T2+. Im actually struggling to think other feats.

Hell, "Lusamine is a postgame Title challenger" is bad reason to scale because other challengers can be Gym Leaders and a ******* Youngster. That group really doesnt scream CTrio scaling being valid, they are just challengers, not guarenteed to be as strong.

And god forbid level scaling. Tbh, Iirc levels are a thing in Manga but its a joke for games. Random lv 100 wild mons are as strong as Dialga trust pffft

Also dont Gen4 legendaries escape if you dont capture them, iirc.
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My hot take is that I don’t think any of the game versions of characters actually scale to the creation trio. The Giratina encounter in Platinum can end with the player catching Giratina (and since you have the Master Ball that makes it easy) or just running away which calms Giratina down. There’s no canon outcome in that fight since all three paths continue the story. Ultra Wormhole encounters are dubiously canon with you running into legendaries there and no canon outcome to any fights you have.

The Cyrus fight in USUM has him release Dialga/Palkia from a Pokeball which explicitly weakens their strength, hence needing the Red Chain. And in Legends Arceus the first of the trio you fight is testing your worthiness and when you fight the out of control other trio member you already have Dialga/Palkia on your second and both when you fight Giratina. Even the Arceus fight is him testing you and that’s on top of you already having all members of the trio to face him.
 
CTrio stuff is blatantly outlier because basically no one else does T2 stuff. I dont think anyone actually destroys Ultra Space so thats off limit too. Ultra Necrozma is a fraud because they give him Uni stuff too easily even though his deal was absorbing light off screen. Hell, iirc it was only in manga where its serious scacling.

The next best feats are Eternatus having infinite power statement and ******* Gothitelle creates a pocket dimension with stars cringe. Ig Mega Darkrai also does pocket dimension or sth.

But the fans just immediately chainscale to CTrio, its dumb.
 
TMaakkonen said:
Sure but it also doesnt mean he 100% scales to them. Its honestly not guaranteed either way. Yet people use it for scaling.
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Utterly dumb af logic, just cuz you lose to a character doesnt mean you dont scale to them

Unless you wanna say Dio doesnt scale to Jotaro just cuz former lost or Jiren to MUI Goku cuz he lost and so on
 
BlackDarkness679 said:
Utterly dumb af logic, just cuz you lose to a character doesnt mean you dont scale to them

Unless you wanna say Dio doesnt scale to Jotaro just cuz former lost or Jiren to MUI Goku cuz he lost and so on
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It depends on context, of course.

There is barely story context how Red's fights go, so going full T2 CTrio scaling is dumb.

MUI Goku vs Jiren hmmmm you know? Its been what 9 years since I watched that scene fully, but didnt MUI Goku style on Jiren a lot? He prolly should scale since their fists clashed, but arguably MUI Goku had much less trouble there so that scene arguably could be argued that Jiren wouldnt 100% scale to MUI Goku properly. Then again Goku lost MUI, and then Jiren got moral support boost to be stronger and got even stronger and Goku needed Frieza's help, so uhhh hmm. Specifically the scene of MUI Goku vs Jiren might not fully scale either way. Then again it could be that MUI just gave Goku truly better movement, and in AP they are close, as said by Vegeta in Superhero movie. But actually interesting to think about if you truly think about scenes in bigger detail.

Didnt DIO get cut by glass teehee
 
TMaakkonen said:
CTrio stuff is blatantly outlier because basically no one else does T2 stuff. I dont think anyone actually destroys Ultra Space so thats off limit too. Ultra Necrozma is a fraud because they give him Uni stuff too easily even though his deal was absorbing light off screen. Hell, iirc it was only in manga where its serious scacling.

The next best feats are Eternatus having infinite power statement and ******* Gothitelle creates a pocket dimension with stars cringe. Ig Mega Darkrai also does pocket dimension or sth.

But the fans just immediately chainscale to CTrio, its dumb.
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I mean to be honest, even if Red did scale to the Creation Trio, I don't think he would win still.

Tai is able to fight guys like Millenniummon, who scales significantly higher than the CT due to Digimon's cosmology being bigger (unless you count True Form Arceus, though I think there are some arguments for 1-A Digimon too).
 
MarvelFanatic119 said:
I mean to be honest, even if Red did scale to the Creation Trio, I don't think he would win still.

Tai is able to fight guys like Millenniummon, who scales significantly higher than the CT due to Digimon's cosmology being bigger (unless you count True Form Arceus, though I think there are some arguments for 1-A Digimon too).
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Yeah, but like, higher dimensions in VS are lame so I dont want to just go "ermmm Tai is 7D/24D achtuallyyy". Not to mention cause, Creation Trio scaling to everyone is way too generous. Yeah, the gap is big, but I dont really want to wank losers. Even if DB has done that too.
 
TMaakkonen said:
Yeah, but like, higher dimensions in VS are lame so I dont want to just go "ermmm Tai is 7D/24D achtuallyyy". Not to mention cause, Creation Trio scaling to everyone is way too generous. Yeah, the gap is big, but I dont really want to wank losers. Even if DB has done that too.
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I mean I get what you meant, D-scaling kind of takes the fun out of any vs matches. Though if you wanted to be accurate as possible with the verdict, that would be the result, like it or not.

Also don't mind wanking the loser if only to quiet the people that go "A would have won if they included this!". So you can just say, "Yeah, we did include that. The result's the same regardless".
 
MarvelFanatic119 said:
Also don't mind wanking the loser if only to quiet the people that go "A would have won if they included this!". So you can just say, "Yeah, we did include that. The result's the same regardless".
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In theory, yes. But it is cheap if they go super overboard and use complete BS rather than high highends.

And also this issue atm stems from Boogeyfans pulling a sun disk and then they pretend that Digimon fans are actually bad and "let Poke fans just get one" pffffffft
 
TMaakkonen said:
In theory, yes. But it is cheap if they go super overboard and use complete BS rather than high highends.

And also this issue atm stems from Boogeyfans pulling a sun disk and then they pretend that Digimon fans are actually bad and "let Poke fans just get one" pffffffft
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This is honestly the biggest reason the blog is being hotly contested yeah. Red getting every bit of leniency in scaling under the sun(disk) while Tai is being heavily restricted, scrutinized and downplayed all while Pokemon fans act smug and say "why can't you just take the L" when people point out the obvious flaws in logic.

I like Digimon more than Pokemon, but if Red had an actual chance at beating Tai I'd still be cool with it if presented properly. But Red getting to scale to Arceus because of a one-off Toys R Us promotion that goes against all rational scaling chains while Tai doesn't get half of his high scaling is a load of bunk.
 
SpecterSkater said:
This is honestly the biggest reason the blog is being hotly contested yeah. Red getting every bit of leniency in scaling under the sun(disk) while Tai is being heavily restricted, scrutinized and downplayed all while Pokemon fans act smug and say "why can't you just take the L" when people point out the obvious flaws in logic.

I like Digimon more than Pokemon, but if Red had an actual chance at beating Tai I'd still be cool with it if presented properly. But Red getting to scale to Arceus because of a one-off Toys R Us promotion that goes against all rational scaling chains while Tai doesn't get half of his high scaling is a load of bunk.
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tbf we win none of our relevant matchups (pokemon)
 
Being real Sentry n
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NotoriouSoda said:
Baki characters get views man. I do want Yujiro to fight someone else cuz we already got Heihachi but I would take this over Sportacus.
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I would be fine if Heihachi returns, but only after Kazuya has his MU from the Mishimas, he is the only one of the main not to get it

Heihachi vs Yujiro is like the only one worth of come back despite its another W for him, on Jin if he ever returns too would be Jin vs Rock (Fatal Fury/KOF)
 
Ah, I remember how S8 teased Akuma and everyone hated him vs Shao Kahn. And then the Next time teaser confirmed him slowly. Ahhh...

...man that was almost 5 years ago.
 
MarvelFanatic119 said:
I mean to be honest, even if Red did scale to the Creation Trio, I don't think he would win still.

Tai is able to fight guys like Millenniummon, who scales significantly higher than the CT due to Digimon's cosmology being bigger (unless you count True Form Arceus, though I think there are some arguments for 1-A Digimon too).
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Again, Digimon (especially Adventure) runs on Neoplatonism. I already posted the relevant text of that being the case during my "debates" with Sean in this very thread last year.
 
MarvelFanatic119 said:
I mean to be honest, even if Red did scale to the Creation Trio, I don't think he would win still.

Tai is able to fight guys like Millenniummon, who scales significantly higher than the CT due to Digimon's cosmology being bigger (unless you count True Form Arceus, though I think there are some arguments for 1-A Digimon too).
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Well, they said he scale to millenniummon, but it wasn't enough thou.
 
Tipper17 said:
What's crazy to me about this debate is people acting like Jotaro can spam TS when at his best it's only 5 seconds and has a cool down period
Which just leads to him getting fried the moment it's done
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Also, isn’t it like a stamina thing? How many times can he do it before he just gets exhausted? Look at the rat fight.
 
Tipper17 said:
how ya feel about Kazuya

Also Come one Shao does not need to come back lol
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Eh Heihachi has better connections to Yujiro than Kazuya and Kazuya has better. Also Kazuya needs to a episode before Heihachi man it’s gonna be weird that the MC of Tekken hasn’t gotten a episode

True but Shao episode was really bad man. Both him and Akuma deserve better.
 
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