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Same honestly, I think SBP should solidly win but knowing DB and how they do their analysis, they're gonna pull some weird fuckery and highball Sentry to high heavens.
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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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An attack to the head is way, way, way worse than a kick in the balls. An attack like that could give you permanent brain damage or even outright kill you. You should get yourself checked out to see if there are any lingering effects.
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Indeed lmao. That was sooo random af
Yoriichi vs Arima is better smh
Pit Levi agaisnt Giyu or smt
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yeah, a not-so-hard whack to the forehead can knock you out cool
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The thing is, they could argue that Sentry no-selling Molecule Man's warping and scaling him to Pre-Retcon Beyonder + Ivory Kings/Hickman Beyonders + Al Ewing lore would be enough "proof" that Sentry could tank Prime's retcon punches.
It'd be hella ballsy of Death Battle to do that though and would require a lot of assumptions, which old Death Battle at the very least wouldn't allow that but things have changed since 2016.
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Peak episode, fine with the result, iffy on the way they got the outcome.
I am quite glad they actually implemented actual H2H choreography instead of just flashy hype and aura. I legitimately squealed when Yuji did the manji kick. Bro was heaving around Denji like crazy lol, no wonder Denji wanted to stop him from moving. But I appreciate the usage of Denji's battle IQ, him pulling off stupid and unpredictable strategies was reallllyyyy fun. The fake domain, followed by the 2nd nut shot, got a laugh out of me.
I am also pleasantly surprised by how long the fight was. I thought the Domain fight would end quicker, but hollyyyy did it drag in a good way.
As for the scaling....ugh. Now I am fine with Denji winning, but scaling to the swords and Gun Goddess when both attacks literally ripped his body apart is...an interesting conclusion. I also do not like how they lowballed Yuji's AP. They should just scale him to Sukuna's Fuga, but oh well. It would have been better if they had just stuck to scaling Denji to the Gun Devil's KE, and then argued his speed advantage would be too much for Yuji to deal with. I also do not like how they argued against the Soul Dismantles.
8/10 episode
I am quite glad they actually implemented actual H2H choreography instead of just flashy hype and aura. I legitimately squealed when Yuji did the manji kick. Bro was heaving around Denji like crazy lol, no wonder Denji wanted to stop him from moving. But I appreciate the usage of Denji's battle IQ, him pulling off stupid and unpredictable strategies was reallllyyyy fun. The fake domain, followed by the 2nd nut shot, got a laugh out of me.
I am also pleasantly surprised by how long the fight was. I thought the Domain fight would end quicker, but hollyyyy did it drag in a good way.
As for the scaling....ugh. Now I am fine with Denji winning, but scaling to the swords and Gun Goddess when both attacks literally ripped his body apart is...an interesting conclusion. I also do not like how they lowballed Yuji's AP. They should just scale him to Sukuna's Fuga, but oh well. It would have been better if they had just stuck to scaling Denji to the Gun Devil's KE, and then argued his speed advantage would be too much for Yuji to deal with. I also do not like how they argued against the Soul Dismantles.
8/10 episode
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Is it just me or has Death Battle's research gotten more sloppy since they went indie lol
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It's kind of a mixed bag ngl. Either they lock tf in or they just create straight up flabbergasting results that sends their rep back by a decade.
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In that same issue he outright says that it’s too dangerous for him to use the Retcon Punch when Manchester Black tells him to do it. As for not using it during the King Omega tournament you can take that as a continuation of his character development in Death Metal where Wonder Woman convinced him to “take a shot in the dark” by putting his faith in Superman. Something he certainly seems to still believe in since he sacrificed himself so Superman could escape Darkseid’s Legion and enter the tournament.
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Owen’s powers scale with his mental state and his mental state was absolutely ****** during his encounter with Sentry. You can’t reasonably scale Sentry to a full power Molecule Man.
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I actually thought Yuji was gonna pull a Bakugou and blow Denji's insides lol
Pretty much this. They had better arguments to argue Denji outstatting but used the most controversial options lmao.
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I agree that Prime would generally take this, but I'm still not fully convinced given how incredulous Death Battle can be unless we cover all assumptions. For instance, Prime's capable of literaly rewriting a character's continuity by punching them like he did to an evil Superman from the Dark Multiverse, so it would work for Sentry, right? Well, during House of M, a world where Scarlet Witch granted everyone their greatest desires/wishes into reality, Bob was no longer Sentry and has a son of his own, but the Void still existed in the back of his mind, even if it was no longer sentient.
There's just too many assumptions to take on Sentry's end; at least Prime's punches is pretty straightforward.
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I accidentally kicked my brother in the balls full force and well.......yikes
You probably did not get hit hard enough. Aka durability upscale for you
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Because you and I both know that Death Battle isn't going to assume that lol. They've made far more egregious arguments than this.
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what higher speed args does Yuji even scale that does not violate the Dabura cap?
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Uh, I hate to break it to you, but I don't think you were reading a canon comic when you found that feat... Though it might still be an important factor in the episode like that one fanart of Mike Haggar suplexing a shark.
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The thing is, a lot of Sentry's high ends have a lot of weird extra context that makes their validity questionable. It's all a matter of whether or not DB will acknowledge it or not.
Either they lock in or they just fumble the bag.
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Punch really, really hard
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For SBP, it's mainly arguably scales way higher, and can arguably resist Sentry's stuff and negate his immortality
For Sentry, it's him being able to likely resist stuff like the retcon punch and probably being too hard to kill for SBP, which would leave an opening that he could exploit.
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This reminds me of Black Adam vs Apocalypses...meaning Sentry is winning
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I still see people arguing that Sentry could exploit an opening against SBP because the latter is too "emotional" is some funny shit. SBP is at worst really immature and boneheaded, but has vastly matured since then. Sentry is still dealing with constant depression, mental health issues and his inner turmoil with the void.
Sentry is objectively less mentally stable no matter how you slice it.
Sentry is objectively less mentally stable no matter how you slice it.
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Except Black Adam is an actual brick of a fighter whereas SBP has like, actual hax and resistances to him.
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I dunno how Prime would exploit that given that he's not exactly much of a manipulator; still, you're underselling Sentry's ability to screw with Prime's headspace.
Unlike Ghost Rider's penance stare, his infinitendrils will just force you to relive trauma from your past, present, and future no matter how strong your resolve is.
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I'm not, I just think it's sillier to that people argue Sentry has a better headspace than SBP does.
Eh, given SBP's constant resistance to magic + arguably being able to resist mind hax from BWL, with BWL outright stating he has no means of getting rid of SBP, as well as being unable to be corrupted by Nekron, who himself has arguments to be the Anti-Life Equation, there's an argument to be made he could probably resist it.
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I don't really get the state sword on the gun goddess argument
Regeneration is not durability, pochito having more blood doesn't make him more durable, why do they all think this
I highly doubt the state swords carry the mass because Asa was able to lift the aquarium sword, someone who had trouble carrying yuko while running from a devil
Regeneration is not durability, pochito having more blood doesn't make him more durable, why do they all think this
I highly doubt the state swords carry the mass because Asa was able to lift the aquarium sword, someone who had trouble carrying yuko while running from a devil
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Sentry isn't really magic, and I'm not sure if you read Death Metal The Secret Origin but nowhere does BWL actually use any kind of mind hax on Prime; he just tries to persuade him into joining his cause until Prime realizes that BWL wouldn't give him Laurie back.
Okay that's a little inaccurate but he said that he couldn't destroy BWL anymore than he could him; at most, they're evenly matched but that doesn't mean Prime is straight-up immortal.
I'm assuming you're referring to the New 52 continuity where Batman discovered that the Life Entity inside Earth was connected to Free Will the same way that the Anti-Life Equation was connected to the Antimatter universe? Well, ignoring the fact that as of New Frontier (and reiterated again in the first page of DC K.O.) that the continuity of the New 52 has merged with the Pre-Flashpoint continuity and thus had much of its history retconned, replaced, or altered to incorporate elements of the fused timeline (which would mean a shitload of assumptions anyway), it's too capricious to argue that just because the Life Entity is the opposite of Nekron, it means that the latter is connected to the Anti-Life Equation based on Batman postulating a theory. If any, Nekron has far more connections to the Great Darkness than to Anti-Life.
Hell, in Darkseid War, Mobius literally merged with the Anti-Life Equation to become the Anti-Monitor in the first place so that kind of renders your point moot.
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No but he outright states he doesn't have any way to get rid of SBP, which would imply his other haxes wouldn't work.
I'm talking about the Tales from the Dark Multiverse where Darkseid proclaims Nekron to be one and the same with the Anti-Life Equation. This is further backed with several implications of the Emotional Spectrum and the Life Equation to be one and the same from the New 52 GL run, which has no reason to be retconned by current continuity.
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Hey, ya never know what could happen. I was thinking the same way about Denji, and yet here we are
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Well, I don't know. Homelander couldn't hurt Omni-Man, and Bardock broke his arms on him. Chief couldn't hurt Doomslayer. Usually, when characters have a power gap, they try to demonstrate it in animation.
Moreover, there's no consistency even in the animation itself. If Denji were taking damage from DE, I wouldn't have any questions. But I honestly don't understand how he could take damage from much weaker attacks.
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...Tales From The Dark Multiverse are literally just elseworld stories and aren't even canon or affect the main continuity that much to have an impact. Like, it's even mentioned that all of the worlds in there are annihilated because they're too unstable to exist in concurrent reality. It's like trying to say that all of the What If...? stories in Marvel are canon and thus affect Marvel cosmology just because they have a unique number assigned to their universe which isn't wrong, but it strains credulity if it doesn't add any significance to the cosmology or the plot in question.
And again, the New 52 was later retconned away by being merged into the Pre-Flashpoint universe; it makes no sense for a random portion of the New 52's attempt at a new cosmology to somehow survive all the way into Infinite Frontier/Rebirth when New History of the DC Universe and DC K.O. have already stressed that that timeline has come and gone. Even without that, unless there's been actual development since then, I fail to see how this would realistically be relevant when Nekron has already appeared in Dark Crisis as a being a legitimate part of the Great Darkness with the Anti-Life Equation being seen as more of an avatar upon which it uses to act out its whims. You can't have Nekron be the emotional embodiment of death while also being the embodiment of the Anti-Life Equation AND an aspect of the Great Darkness. That's just dumb and not at all what was even meant to be what Nekron's supposed to be.
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I mean, is there any reason to assume that the tendrils aren't just an application of his molecular and mind hax, which Superboy should already resist?
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I don't see how them being too unstable would change a thing about them having differing cosmologies. The only thing that truly differ the two is that TFTDM are just off shoot alternate endings esque stuff rather than outright elseworld universes. Granted, smthn like this would be taken as mostly secondary canon, but nothing much about the story really differs so differently from the main canon.
It's not fair to say everything about the New 52 was erased, especially related to Green Lantern stuff, where several important elements like everything related to White Lantern Kyle is still acknowledged to this day.
Tbf, it's not like Nekron has ever had a specific set role to begin with, beyond simply being a representation of death. He's initially portrayed as an aspect of death on the cosmic scale, which while different, it in itself doesn't truly contradict him also being the opposite to the emotional spectrum as the Johns run would portray him as later on. And Nekron isn't really the embodiment of the ALE but moreso the ALE is an aspect of him, as Darkseid states "His word is the Anti-Life Equation". I know I phrased it weirdly earlier but that is the proper statement, and is the entire reason why Darkseid agrees to become Nekron's host.
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Because then you'd need to account for PIS involved in many of these stories. Hence why not even the editors and very much likely Death Battle wouldn't take it seriously as a factor.
I'm talking about cosmology-wise. Most characters kept some of the elements in the New 52 but the cosmic entities reverted back to their Pre-Flashpoint status. Any new cosmic entities introduced in the New 52, such as Pralaya, have been shelved and only mentioned when it comes to acknowledging the events that they were the most involved in. Nekron at least was involved in Wrath of the First Lantern and Dark Crisis.
Alright, this is just stepping into headcanon territory. Unless Johns specificied clearly that Nekron has a direct connection to the Anti-Life Equation, anything is pure conjecture and not based on anything substantial.
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I mean, ignoring whether or not we should consider House of M's reset as plot manipulation or not, Sentry would still lose in this scenario as he'd essentially be powerless.
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