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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

ZeNoviceArtist said:
Was MobTatsumaki accurate at that time?
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It's one of the few MUs that's still very debatable depending on what you buy for either characters (usually hax of Mob Vs stats of Tats). So the answer is both yes and no.
BlackDarkness679 said:
If they give BB stats somewhat like Omniman, then no, only chance is Boros getting some scaling to tier 4 stuff from Saitama and Garou somehow, which aint happening
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They teased Boros still being alive several months ago in the web comic but between the snail pacing, redraws/retcons from web comic to manga and OPM S3 essentially killing the franchise's hype among most normies. I highly doubt Death Battle will wait (possibly years) for something to be done with Boros in web comic, so it's looking like a BB W unless they buy BFR and BB not being able to fly as a valid win-con for Boros.
 
Doggo said:
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This abomination just spawned on Reddit.
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Next Time is Charlie Kirk vs George Floyd, guys this might be the worst thing in DB history
 
The_Axiom_of_Virgo said:
They teased Boros still being alive several months ago in the web comic but between the snail pacing, redraws/retcons from web comic to manga and OPM S3 essentially killing the franchise's hype among most normies. I highly doubt Death Battle will wait (possibly years) for something to be done with Boros in web comic, so it's looking like a BB W unless they buy BFR and BB not being able to fly as a valid win-con for Boros.
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That would be a lame win and also didnt Battle Beast fight in outer space?
 
Had a random look into Dante/Clive again 4 months after the episode first came out (I know), and am I a dumbass, or does Beryl's Anti-Magic Rifle from the novels not just hard counter Ifrit & Clive's Aether as a whole?

The main arguments people had for Clive winning were him AP stomping & outlasting the Devil Trigger (dubiousness of DT's time limit notwithstanding), but the Rifle would shut off Ifrit well before Devil Trigger would hypothetically run out, and with Clive no longer being able to regen (he only does it in Ifrit form, not in base), he becomes much easier to wear down & kill, since he has no evidence that he could survive say, a decapitation in his base form the way Dante definitely could. Not to mention even most pro-Clive contingents I've seen seem to agree Dante is faster, and Dante otherwise has most of the other advantages too - better resistances, more versatility, much better regen, better hax...
 
Crashandcortexs said:
Had a random look into Dante/Clive again 4 months after the episode first came out (I know), and am I a dumbass, or does Beryl's Anti-Magic Rifle from the novels not just hard counter Ifrit & Clive's Aether as a whole?

The main arguments people had for Clive winning were him AP stomping & outlasting the Devil Trigger (dubiousness of DT's time limit notwithstanding), but the Rifle would shut off Ifrit well before Devil Trigger would hypothetically run out, and with Clive no longer being able to regen (he only does it in Ifrit form, not in base), he becomes much easier to wear down & kill, since he has no evidence that he could survive say, a decapitation in his base form the way Dante definitely could. Not to mention even most pro-Clive contingents I've seen seem to agree Dante is faster, and Dante otherwise has most of the other advantages too - better resistances, more versatility, much better regen, better hax...
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Just focusing on this cause idrc for the rest of this stuff, but their argument wasnt this, the argument was that since each of their forms were evenly matched, Dante would lose due to Sin Devil Trigger having an explicit time limit, which would heavily skew the favor toward Clive since he'd be in his stronger form.
 
AnAverageUsername said:
Just focusing on this cause idrc for the rest of this stuff, but their argument wasnt this, the argument was that since each of their forms were evenly matched, Dante would lose due to Sin Devil Trigger having an explicit time limit, which would heavily skew the favor toward Clive since he'd be in his stronger form.
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I'm talking about the G1 Blog, where the argument in Clive's favour was largely that he was stronger & had better endurance. Sorry I didn't clarify as such in the original post!

That being said, I went back to the actual episode to see if they included the Anti-Magic Rifle in Dante's weapons, annnd it wasn't there. Probably since it's not in the games, but it invalidating Clive's Aether is kind of a massive deal and would kill the "time limit" argument since Dante can just shut off Ifrit when he wants.

I think the conclusion in Dante/Clive is shockingly poor in general though, especially for what they call "one of the closest episodes we've ever had". They just cop out and call stats and abilities even because they can amp themselves, without going into any detail over who takes what specific category. This is despite them outright giving Dante better speed via their own calcs earlier in the episode and saying his regen is better in the conclusion, showing they could've very easily done a more satisfying longer form conclusion which better sells how nailbitingly close they thought it was.
 
Battlebeast vs Boros is pretty clear cut, specially since BB godblitzes. I do still think it's a good battle given Banter/Connections.

AP/DURA
In terms of AP and Dura, Battlebeast is Low 5-B when maximum lowballed, 5-A by DB's standards and potentially 4-C+ if Sundisked, and can reach this level of power for weeks while injured while also growing stronger.

Boros in Meteoric Burst is 6-A+ physically at maximum lowball, can range from High 6-A+ to Low 5-B scaling to other above dragon monsters and his ultimate move he can only use once is 5-B to 4-C(if wanked/wrongly translated).

SPEED
In terms of speed BB scales to Viltrumites who can travel intergalatic distances in short timeframes, making him 1,304,464,280 FTL

Boros has relativistic+ statements with MB, and can get >4xFTL with scaling, but, when maximum wanked, you can get him to 2,249,999,998c FTL by assuming he was at the other end of observable universe before reaching earth and then scale him to the theoretical reaction speed his crew would get for piloting the ship(Mind you, even assuming it was at another galaxy he gets blitzed by BB).
ABILITIES
Boros has much worse H2H statements/showings than BB.
BB has a weapon that can slow down his regen Boros has range, but only CSRC from Boros can harm/kill a lowballed/midballed BB, wich can still be dodged and only used once.
Space BFR wont work, Outlasting with regen wont work.
this means BB stomps Boros by their respective low ends,mid ends and high ends.

Boros only wins if you give him maximum wanked speed + wanked CSRC, against Lowballed BB (stomp), and midballed BB (50/50 since BB would still wreck physically(Low 5-B vs 5-A), with Boros using 4-C CSRC as a last resort to beat him).
 
So when's the preview dropping?

(Knowing this waiting period, I might be the first one to ask...)
 
TsukasayaEmmaDCD said:
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"By how much a character wins"

Ahem...
Joycap said:
Funny you mention OmniDock in any kind of passing, because I think there might be a more implicit reason he lost baked into how DBa's new '5 categories' system works (could be less, but hear me out). In other words - It doesn't really take account of how important individual categories can be, or one advantage being 'more' of such than another.

Everyone tunnel-visions the daft nature of the Sun Disk feat, and sure, that horse has long since been bludgeoned, but I also notice no one say 'hey, so what if endurance and stamina (or whichever ones they selected) were either A) not selected, or B) made the same category (making it de-facto 4 categories to consider instead of 5, allowing OmniDock 2 advantages each)'. For Xeno VS Anything, I even made my own version of these category charts... with a slight tweak:

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(Yes, Melia vs Aladdin contemplates this many categories. Sue me)

So, you might be looking at the numbers outlined in this pink-ish red and thinking 'well, what the bloody hell is this supposed to mean?' - and these come out to a scoring system (or ratios) that consider how much a character wins individual categories by, as well as the number of categories won. This fixes a few things about the current categorization system, one of which is that one character winning an equal number of categories to another means you don't have to shoehorn in a extra 'tiebreaker' category that doesn't mean as much to the fight.

And you might be thinking 'oh, but what if one character wins 3 categories 55:45, and the other wins one 65:35? What happens then', which... sure, but not only is that kind of tie is disproportionally less likely to happen, but how important those categories would be to a fight is subject to the type of MU you put forward anyway.
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Let Death Battle confessions know they might be referring to me (or at the very least, I share the idea)
 
AcidSilver said:
I never understood how anyone takes the Diamond blast from Garnet's story seriously. "Oooo, it's super bright!" Yeah so what? This supposed dwarf star level blast didn't even damage the Earth. For some reason people will rightfully not take decibel feats seriously because clearly the damage doesn't match the decibels but they won't do the same for light based feats in the exact same situation. The greatest superweapon that Homeworld has was explicitly a planet killer and the Cluster needed god knows how long to actually build up to that level. If the Diamonds working together could output Dwarf Star levels of power then they would've just done it and destroyed the Earth when they first launched the attack instead of using the Cluster.
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I’m pretty sure that’s literally what they were trying to do though, the Diamonds didn’t know about the Corrupted Gems until coming to Earth themselves. They thought they had obliterated every gem on Earth.
 
Doggo said:
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Is it weird that I'm kinda annoyed that this didn't mention the onion Mocumentary Bad Pedophile? Like if your going to do this kind of thing at least use stuff from the high quality shitpost.
 
It sucks they think such a long wait period is good at all, like other animes on Netflix are done weekly, why Jojo so far never got that too, especially since its a much bigger show

Plus what did David Production do ever since announcing it? Like I heard its hard to be drawing horses and you would need to make 3D at various points, but you didnt have more then 1 ready?
 
Not to bring back DB Invincible scaling, but I know the Sun Disk was controversial, but was the whole Viltrum Feat being Brown Dwarf level just as bad, or was it "fine"?
 
Gyra1524 said:
Not to bring back DB Invincible scaling, but I know the Sun Disk was controversial, but was the whole Viltrum Feat being Brown Dwarf level just as bad, or was it "fine"?
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Depends how it gets animated in the Tv show

comic wise Small planet-Planetary is the most consistent with Dwarf Star being a high ball high end
 
Gyra1524 said:
Not to bring back DB Invincible scaling, but I know the Sun Disk was controversial, but was the whole Viltrum Feat being Brown Dwarf level just as bad, or was it "fine"?
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It's very weird because it doesn't really take into account Space Racer destabilizing the core? They're mostly Tier 5 via KE they got from punching through chunks of the planet.
 
modern death battle has this problem of gaslighting its viewers into thinking matches are closer then they really are via lowballing BOTH sides. if its a stomp, at least say how massive the real gap is
 
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