DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[Tots_Real]

Actually it's just Part 2 ending. They changed the page in Viz to reflect this.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Actually it's just Part 2 ending. They changed the page in Viz to reflect this.

Pretty sure they have "to be continued" on ever penultimate chapter though

 

[Doggo]

I think what I wanna see most from KeRen is instead of it being the Dragon vs the Founder, it's instead a freshly awakened Kaneki bulldozing through the horde of Collosal Titans to finally meet with Founder Eren and beat him. I think that would be cool.

My idea is a mix of both. You can the Dragon bulldoze the Collosals before wrapping around the Founder. Ken then awakens and proceeds to find rip through the past Titan shifters before finding Eren's location

 

[WeeklyBattles]

My idea is a mix of both. You can the Dragon bulldoze the Collosals before wrapping around the Founder.

Can the Dragon resist the heat of the colossals?

Ken then awakens and proceeds to find rip through the past Titan shifters before finding Eren's location

Eren isnt in the Founding Titan so that wouldnt even be possible

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I think what I wanna see most from KeRen is instead of it being the Dragon vs the Founder, it's instead a freshly awakened Kaneki bulldozing through the horde of Collosal Titans to finally meet with Founder Eren and beat him. I think that would be cool.

Can you explain how he would beat him?

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Can the Dragon resist the heat of the colossals?

Yes, even ghoul investigators can resist heat up to 4000 Celsius with equipment

Eren isnt in the Founding Titan so that wouldnt even be possible

DB has bent the rules for the cool factor all the time

 

[DaReaperMan]

DB has bent the rules for the cool factor all the time

Like when Maka physically slapped the hell out of Ruby

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Can you explain how he would beat him?

Higher AP, far faster, hyper regen and heat resistance, just think he has it all since both aren't too complex in terms of their kit n' shiiiit.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yes, even ghoul investigators can resist heat up to 4000 Celsius with equipment

Colossus Titans give off heat of 5300 celsius

DB has bent the rules for the cool factor all the time

Theres a difference between bending the rules for rule and outright breaking how a character's powers work

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Higher AP, far faster, hyper regen and heat resistance, just think he has it all since both aren't too complex in terms of their kit n' shiiiit.

Both are City to Mountain level at their peaks

Eren has significantly better regen

Eren's heat is higher than anything Ken has shown to resist

And Eren has weirdly complex powers when you factor in his causality manipulation and higher dimensional stuff

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Colossus Titans give off heat of 5300 celsius

I mean that still isn't enough. Ken has resisted Narukami was accepted as actual lightning (which gets up to 27,760 Celsius), so he is fine.

 

[Tots_Real]

Pretty sure they have "to be continued" on ever penultimate chapter though

Yeah but the fact that they went out of their way to change it does imply something.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Both are City to Mountain level at their peaks

Don't buy stuff that high for Eren in all honesty. Doesn't make sense for the context of the story IMO

Eren has significantly better regen

Maybe? I don't remember anything extreme outside of Titan Shifting, while Ken came back from mulch

Eren's heat is higher than anything Ken has shown to resist

That's why I mentioned the regen with it, but even then iirc Ken has straight up resisted electricity before and I'm preeeetty sure that gets ridiculously high

And Eren has weirdly complex powers when you factor in his causality manipulation and higher dimensional stuff

I don't buy any of that stuff, at least in a combat applicable way

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I mean that still isn't enough. Ken has resisted Narukami was accepted as actual lightning (which gets up to 27,760 Celsius), so he is fine.

Can you show scans of this? Ive read through Tokyo Ghoul and the only thing he resisted was electricity from a tesla coil, not natural lightning

 

[Tots_Real]

Also the official Japanese announcement for the next chapter specifies part 2 which implies fujimoto isn't out completely.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Both are City to Mountain level at their peaks

Eren has significantly better regen

Kaneki has Low-High while Eren is High-Mid (which I call BS on because I distinctly remember Mikasa killing Eren via Decapitation)

Eren's heat is higher than anything Ken has shown to resist

Again Narukami was accepted as lightning, so he has that

And Eren has weirdly complex powers when you factor in his causality manipulation and higher dimensional stuff

Which we never seen used offensively - at all.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Yeah but the fact that they went out of their way to change it does imply something.

I think that's just to keep it consistent though, from what I've heard the raw Japanese mentions it as ending next chapter BUT I could be wrong

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Can you show scans of this? Ive read through Tokyo Ghoul and the only thing he resisted was electricity from a tesla coil, not natural lightning

Had a whole thread: https://vsbattles.com/threads/narukami-lightning-timer.185741

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Don't buy stuff that high for Eren in all honesty. Doesn't make sense for the context of the story IMO

You dont buy the dozen+ instances of them displaying this level of durability? That sees more like a you issue.

Maybe? I don't remember anything extreme outside of Titan Shifting, while Ken came back from mulch

Eren is able to regenerate from total physical annihilation as the Founder

That's why I mentioned the regen with it, but even then iirc Ken has straight up resisted electricity before and I'm preeeetty sure that gets ridiculously high

Electricity gets 4000 Celsius, below the Colossal's 5300

I don't buy any of that stuff, at least in a combat applicable way

Its literally the entire way the Founder fights

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Kaneki has Low-High while Eren is High-Mid (which I call BS on because I distinctly remember Mikasa killing Eren via Decapitation)

After having his powers nullified by Ymir revoking the Power of the Titans yes.

Again Narukami was accepted as lightning, so he has that

Had a whole thread: https://vsbattles.com/threads/narukami-lightning-timer.185741

I will keep that in mind and do a downgrade at some point then

Which we never seen used offensively - at all.

We have seen the Founder fight yes

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

After having his powers nullified by Ymir revoking the Power of the Titans yes.

Guess what Kagune secretes constantly and guess how that effects regen

I will keep that in mind and do a downgrade at some point then

Oh NikHelton vs Weekly

We have seen the Founder fight yes

I DON'T WANT MIKASA TO BE ANOTHER MAN. I AM NOT A **** ARMIN.
Wouldn't call it fight but sure bro

 

[AnAverageUsername]

You dont buy the dozen+ instances of them displaying this level of durability? That sees more like a you issue.

Nah, don't remember anything of the sorts. Do not remember any city-mountain level tankings that you speak of, no sir-e (is that how it's spelled? Sir-e?)

Eren is able to regenerate from total physical annihilation as the Founder

Don't remember this either, just that he got got by decapitation. Doesn't sound like total physical annihilation to me.

Electricity gets 4000 Celsius, below the Colossal's 5300

Not that far off tbh, even then as Legendarium mentioned, there's lightning scaling which is ridiculously high. Like wow, always impressive that lightning is hotter than the surface of the sun.

Its literally the entire way the Founder fights

All I remember is that he made dummy titans and used steam

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Not that far off tbh, even then as Legendarium mentioned, there's lightning scaling which is ridiculously high. Like wow, always impressive that lightning is hotter than the surface of the sun.

How Hot Is Lightning?

It doesn't seem to make sense, but its true

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Guess what Kagune secretes constantly and guess how that effects regen

Neat, Titans dont have actual regeneration, their 'regeneration' is actually a god pulling matter from across space-time to rebuild their bodies from a higher dimensional plane of existence.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Oh NikHelton vs Weekly

Assuming it happens by 2030

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Nah, don't remember anything of the sorts. Do not remember any city-mountain level tankings that you speak of, no sir-e (is that how it's spelled? Sir-e?)

I recommend rewatching the series again then, there were tier 7 feats as early as season 2

Don't remember this either, just that he got got by decapitation. Doesn't sound like total physical annihilation to me.

He died like that after having his powers removed by Ymir.

Not that far off tbh, even then as Legendarium mentioned, there's lightning scaling which is ridiculously high. Like wow, always impressive that lightning is hotter than the surface of the sun.

Yes, and he didnt tank that, he tanked tesla coil electricity which is much lower

All I remember is that he made dummy titans and used steam

Yes, and he was able to do that because of his causality manipulation

 

[Epiccheev]

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I recommend rewatching the series again then, there were tier 7 feats as early as season 2

Yeah again, don't remember any at all in the slightest

He died like that after having his powers removed by Ymir.

And this is because...?

Yes, and he didnt tank that, he tanked tesla coil electricity which is much lower

No, pretty sure he took Narukami stuff, think I remember that

Yes, and he was able to do that because of his causality manipulation

Don't see the correlation there at all, it's just spawning little buggers to terrorize folk

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yeah again, don't remember any at all in the slightest

Then i recommend rewatching the show. They even directly say in the show that Reiner and Eren can withstand being directly hit by the blast of the colossal titan's transformation

And this is because...?

A mix of a few factors. The Scouts were given a massive amount of plot convenience in order to actually have a chance at beating Eren. The circumstances for the scouts being able to win against the Founder included:

• Eren actively wanting his friends to be the ones to kill him and save the world so the world would view them as heroes and leave them in peace.
  • To the point that he directly acknowledge that he could have just taken their Titan abilities and left them helpless at any time but chose not to.
• Armin managing to access the World of the Path (Something that only an Eldian can do) and convincing Zeke to fight back against Eren, leading to Zeke choosing to let himself get killed by Levi so the Scouts could sever Eren's connection to Ymir.
  • Prior to doing this, Eren was remotely puppeting the Doomsday Titan from The Path, a higher-dimensional plane of existence (yes higher dimensional, I will be making a thread about it but its super blatant) through a mix of the Warhammer and Founding Titan's powers, meaning he lacked the nape weak spot of every other Titan and thus would just keep regenerating if they tried to kill him normally.
• Mikasa having an intimate enough connection to Eren that Ymir saw her killing Eren as an act of love so strong that it convinced her to sever his titan abilities and remove titans from existence.
  • Which is HEAVILY implied to be a borderline Fate/Causality lock/fixed point in time, as Eren confirms that he actively tried to change the future countless times and failed, and that no matter what happened or what he change, it all inevitably ended with Mikasa being the one to kill him in the end.

Ken does not have any of these luxuries, and as a result is dealing with an opponent who he effectively has zero means to kill

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Then i recommend rewatching the show. They even directly say in the show that Reiner and Eren can withstand being directly hit by the blast of the colossal titan's transformation

I don't know man, you're talking to the person who was rooting for Asura all the way through KratoSura, doesn't sound concrete enough to me unless there's an actual showing for this considering those transformations usually wipe out most things instantly, if barely at that.

A mix of a few factors. The Scouts were given a massive amount of plot convenience in order to actually have a chance at beating Eren. The circumstances for the scouts being able to win against the Founder included:

• Eren actively wanting his friends to be the ones to kill him and save the world so the world would view them as heroes and leave them in peace.
  • To the point that he directly acknowledge that he could have just taken their Titan abilities and left them helpless at any time but chose not to.

So why wouldn't this be the case in a Death Battle, have it be the same circumstances but just nix the friends part.

• Armin managing to access the World of the Path (Something that only an Eldian can do) and convincing Zeke to fight back against Eren, leading to Zeke choosing to let himself get killed by Levi so the Scouts could sever Eren's connection to Ymir.
  • Prior to doing this, Eren was remotely puppeting the Doomsday Titan from The Path, a higher-dimensional plane of existence (yes higher dimensional, I will be making a thread about it but its super blatant) through a mix of the Warhammer and Founding Titan's powers, meaning he lacked the nape weak spot of every other Titan and thus would just keep regenerating if they tried to kill him normally.
• Mikasa having an intimate enough connection to Eren that Ymir saw her killing Eren as an act of love so strong that it convinced her to sever his titan abilities and remove titans from existence.
  • Which is HEAVILY implied to be a borderline Fate/Causality lock/fixed point in time, as Eren confirms that he actively tried to change the future countless times and failed, and that no matter what happened or what he change, it all inevitably ended with Mikasa being the one to kill him in the end.

So like, he wanted his friends to kill him, but he's supposedly trying to change his outcome? Sounds contradictory to a faulty point.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I don't know man, you're talking to the person who was rooting for Asura all the way through KratoSura, doesn't sound concrete enough to me unless there's an actual showing for this considering those transformations usually wipe out most things instantly, if barely at that.

Yes, there are multiple instances of them tanking the blast of the colossus titan

So why wouldn't this be the case in a Death Battle, have it be the same circumstances but just nix the friends part.

Becaue Eren has no personal connection to Eren. The entire point is that he was having people specifically from Paradis stop him so the world would leave the country alone for long enough for his friends to have a lifetime of peace.

So like, he wanted his friends to kill him, but he's supposedly trying to change his outcome? Sounds contradictory to a faulty point.

He tried to change it first, failed, came to accept that he couldnt change it, and then went with the plan of having his friends kill him.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Yes, there are multiple instances of them tanking the blast of the colossus titan

Liiiiiiike?

Becaue Eren has no personal connection to Eren.

Dunno man I feel like one naturally has a connection to themselves

The entire point is that he was having people specifically from Paradis stop him so the world would leave the country alone for long enough for his friends to have a lifetime of peace.

And we're assuming that if this were to take place in the world of AoT, Ken wouldn't be from Paradis? Scratch that, how does this work if both are in a neutral setting like Japan. I mean Eren might be from Reverse-Madagascar, but it's still a different world entirely, so his problems would stay there right?

He tried to change it first, failed, came to accept that he couldnt change it, and then went with the plan of having his friends kill him.

Any response I have here probably relates to up above

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

do stain vs Zabuza

That would go hard as **** if Zabuza didn't shit stomp him in literally every category and do Stain's gimmick but better.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I prefer Darkwolf vs Rexxar to all this talk.

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

Since it was national Woman’s day yesterday, any mus you got with only Female Combatants?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Liiiiiiike?

The first fight between Eren and Reiner, where Eren tanked the Colossus Titan self-destructing on top of him. Or the reclamation of Shiganshina where Reiner while near-dead withstood Bertolt transforming on top of him to protect him. Orthe final battle where Reiner was physically restraining the Source Of All Living Matter so it couldnt escape Armin's transformation explosion, with Levi directly saying that Reiner was durable enough to withstand the blast.

Dunno man I feel like one naturally has a connection to themselves

?

And we're assuming that if this were to take place in the world of AoT, Ken wouldn't be from Paradis?

If they make Ken from Paradis then he just loses by default as Eren with the Founding Titan can just revoke his powers or turn him into a Pure Titan under his control.

Scratch that, how does this work if both are in a neutral setting like Japan. I mean Eren might be from Reverse-Madagascar, but it's still a different world entirely, so his problems would stay there right?

His problems are intrinsically tied to his powers so not really. The entire concept of The World of The Paths is something exclusive to Eldians. Eren would be able to see that Ken doesnt have a Path and therefore is not Eldian, so he would have no reason to just let Ken beat him.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Since it was national Woman’s day yesterday, any mus you got with only Female Combatants?

Apparently Sakura vs Maki is becoming a popular matchup despite how much of a stomp in Sakura's favor it is.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

The first fight between Eren and Reiner, where Eren tanked the Colossus Titan self-destructing on top of him. Or the reclamation of Shiganshina where Reiner while near-dead withstood Bertolt transforming on top of him to protect him. Orthe final battle where Reiner was physically restraining the Source Of All Living Matter so it couldnt escape Armin's transformation explosion, with Levi directly saying that Reiner was durable enough to withstand the blast.

Starting to remember a little, but not that they were that close. Just being a foot away can massively nerf the effects of an explosion to one's self, physics and stuff. Plus surely you aren't saying that regular ass humans scale to this stuff, lol. Cause even though they're shifters they are still fleshy humans in the end.

?

You said Eren twice instead of Ken

If they make Ken from Paradis then he just loses by default as Eren with the Founding Titan can just revoke his powers or turn him into a Pure Titan under his control.

I meant more so from Paradis in that he originates from there, not that he's Eldian or whatever. Plus I doubt Eren would be able to take his powers when Ghouls... what even are Ghouls? Pretty sure they never get an origin as a whole, don't think there's anything like Ghouls in AoT.

His problems are intrinsically tied to his powers so not really. The entire concept of The World of The Paths is something exclusive to Eldians. Eren would be able to see that Ken doesnt have a Path and therefore is not Eldian, so he would have no reason to just let Ken beat him.

Okay but it's still in another world away from AoT's upside-down shenanigans, meanings there's no Eldian and Marly conflict, meaning there's a lot of stuff that just wouldn't work for Eren's character and challenges which are at home in the AoT verse.

 

[Gyra1524]

Since it was national Woman’s day yesterday, any mus you got with only Female Combatants?

Gwen (Ben 10) VS Eve (Invincible)

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Starting to remember a little, but not that they were that close. Just being a foot away can massively nerf the effects of an explosion to one's self, physics and stuff. Plus surely you aren't saying that regular ass humans scale to this stuff, lol. Cause even though they're shifters they are still fleshy humans in the end.

With the first one it was literally on top of Eren

You said Eren twice instead of Ken

Ah

I meant more so from Paradis in that he originates from there, not that he's Eldian or whatever. Plus I doubt Eren would be able to take his powers when Ghouls... what even are Ghouls? Pretty sure they never get an origin as a whole, don't think there's anything like Ghouls in AoT.

If he's from Paradis, Eren can take his powers. The Founder has full control over the people of Paradis, not only in terms of abilities but both mentally and physically as well. If you equalize Ken to being from Paradis/Eldia, Eren can just erase his memories, negate his powers, alter his biology so his Kagune and RC Cells no longer exist, etc., assuming Eren doesnt just turn him into a Pure Titan.

Okay but it's still in another world away from AoT's upside-down shenanigans, meanings there's no Eldian and Marly conflict, meaning there's a lot of stuff that just wouldn't work for Eren's character and challenges which are at home in the AoT verse.

That would also mean Eren' powers in general just dont work. His powers are entirely derived from the existence of the Paths, if that doesnt exist in a neutral setting, Eren just wouldnt have powers anymore.