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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

Got another update for you guys. Here’s an early look at Ippo vs Little Mac. The fight is about halfway-ish right now and there’s still a lot more to go, but with your support I’ll be able to get this finished up.

The more support I receive here on Patreon, the more I can focus on creating fight style animations like this. Since my primary content on YouTube is comedy based, I still have to keep up with those uploads for the sake of ad revenue. But if Patreon can help support these ventures, it would allow me to dedicate more time toward combat animation of matchups of your choosing.

As some of you know, I previously worked as a 3D animator on Death Battle, and while I dont plan to return, that doesn't mean im never working on combat animation again. A lot of what I brought to the company was Assets, Staging, Lighting, Voice over, VFX and Animation. I can still take my skills and apply it to something else. Which is where this next idea comes in.

I’m focused on launching a brand new VS series on my channel, outside of Cell VS, called Final Round. The idea is to create standard VS-style matchups similar in spirit to Death Battle, but fully animated in 3D and made purely for entertainment. No power scaling culture, no calc debates. Just fun fights.

When Nintendo or Sega make a cinematic cutscene for one of their games, is the first thing on their mind, “How will this hold up with the powerscalers?” No, its not.

If they want Sonic to bounce off missiles mid-air, run across collapsing debris, or tear through a robot the size of a planet because it looks cool, they just do it, you guys consume it and use it as feats.

I’m taking a similar approach here. The goal is to create fights that prioritize fun first, with loose inspiration from feats in the source material. It’s not meant to be official or canon. It’s a fan animation, and the focus is on making something entertaining to watch for a couple of minutes.

Does this mean im going to make Sonic use a Rasengan or Kamehameha? No. Lore and feats will still be respected, but debate culture wont be the core of the content nor will it be supported.

This means power scaling gets thrown out the window so we can just enjoy the fight instead of arguing about feats and math calculations and sun disks (Haha)

Mario Vs Sonic, Zuko vs Todoroki, Wesker Vs Neo, Power Rangers vs Kamen Rider? JJK Matchups? Star wars matchups? all matchups that I plan on working on eventually if I am able to get the support!

This would essentially be my way of bringing my style of combat animation to the channel with full creative control. In the past, I was often animating fights based on scripts I didn’t write, boards I didn’t create, and outcomes I had no real say in.

With something like Final Round, I’d be able to handle the choreography, pacing, and direction myself from the ground up and focus on making the fights as fun as possible without being boxed in by decisions made earlier in the pipeline.
Id also would have the same additional freedoms of bringing on other Animators (Some of them you know or may have heard of, some are new!)

Let me know what you think, and as always, thank you for the continued support!

From Devil Artemis
 
Anything 4D or beyond is 99.999% time slop :VVVVV
You cannot genuinely tell me Sonic Team knows what the **** a hypertimeline is
This is pretty goofy to say ngl, honestly even if ya axed the hypertimeline stuff there's like a dozen infinite multiverse statements at the bare minimum, like even in the 35th anniversary video they are say there's infinite worlds so at worst ya get 2-A but then have games specifcally say verbatim some goons are dimensionally superior to that and can wipe reality or existence so still at worst gets 5d on a conservative end no hypertimelines used..

So really this just sounds like hating because its higher than what ya personally like rather than a complaint about the accuracy of the indexing
 
This is pretty goofy to say ngl, honestly even if ya axed the hypertimeline stuff there's like a dozen infinite multiverse statements at the bare minimum, like even in the 35th anniversary video they are say there's infinite worlds so at worst ya get 2-A but then have games specifcally say verbatim some goons are dimensionally superior to that and can wipe reality or existence so still at worst gets 5d on a conservative end no hypertimelines used..

So really this just sounds like hating because its higher than what ya personally like rather than a complaint about the accuracy of the indexing
I'm sure there are a lot more feats/statements regarding Sonic's tier, so I don't have a problem with that, but was that statement really directed towards infinite universes? It just seemed more like a tagline regarding all the countless zones Sonic has been to throughout his adventures.
 
but was that statement really directed towards infinite universes? It just seemed more like a tagline regarding all the countless zones Sonic has been to throughout his adventures.
They say that and immediately cut to crossworlds which is specifcally marketed on the sonic multiverse having infinite universes/worlds



無限の世界 = Infinite worlds

its basically just more support for the at worst bare minimum sonic cosmology not counting maginaryworld, cyberspace or anything else.
 
Maaaaybe 6D Sonic stuff has merit if its how higher dimension should work in general but there is no real evidence in Sonic about 6D specifically.

Maybe that funky "super dimensional" statement implies higher stuff but uhhh it also ironically implies even higher stuff than 6D soooo

Shit is messy lol
Like 99.99% of characters that people say are 4D and above are still subject to the regular laws of time and space anyway. They just punch out someone who is "beyond time" or whatever the shit and now we all act like they're super giga dimensional forever. And I'm saying this as a capeshit fan where dimensional tiering is all over the place and everyone and their god damn mother can apparently blow up their entire cosmology now.
 
This is pretty goofy to say ngl, honestly even if ya axed the hypertimeline stuff there's like a dozen infinite multiverse statements at the bare minimum, like even in the 35th anniversary video they are say there's infinite worlds so at worst ya get 2-A but then have games specifcally say verbatim some goons are dimensionally superior to that and can wipe reality or existence so still at worst gets 5d on a conservative end no hypertimelines used..

So really this just sounds like hating because its higher than what ya personally like rather than a complaint about the accuracy of the indexing
Its not hating because its higher than I want its hating because dimendional shit has made DB absolutely miserable lmao

I havent even memorized Time Eaters 6D arguments. Maybe it is actually fine? But all these D talks are just sooooo lame no matter how valid.

Edit: Its because Solaris is stacking with hypertimeline? Eeeeeeh cant talk much about that. But if hypertimelines in general are real, then maybe?
 
Its not hating because its higher than I want its hating because dimendional shit has made DB absolutely miserable lmao

I havent even memorized Time Eaters 6D arguments. Maybe it is actually fine? But all these D talks are just sooooo lame no matter how valid.
I mean even 4d is just like low 2-C~2-C on a low end, that's pretty reasonable itself without any higher stuff, regardless tho hating and not knowing anything about the scaling still a bit wild but 🤷‍♂️
Edit: Its because Solaris is stacking with hypertimeline? Eeeeeeh cant talk much about that. But if hypertimelines in general are real, then maybe?
Also I just explained the bare minimum scaling even without the use of hypertimelines so not really no, its pretty simple tbh
 
Not to say every single series rated tier 1 on the site is 100% legit, but no offense, most of you really just judge a book by its cover

Maybe it is because in the past decade tier 1 wasnt so mainstream, not even universal stats like 3-A till 2-C and so on and nowadays its overdone and everywhere you look at

Although that doesnt mean each time a series gets tier 1 its gonna be now assumed its just throwing words around and pulling strings just to get that high without legitimacy to it

Comic books arent called out as much due to their long running history of content and many writers, but lets not pretend now that any other series cant be tier 1 at all for various reasons which logically should apply to Marvel and DC too regardless

Not to mention, most of you dont even look up the reasons why they are tier 1, just slap the "it is slop", just cuz other platforms like reddit, youtube or tiktok love to be wanking characters at such levels and use bad arguments or logic

You can disagree with these and be free to do so, but if majority of you just gonna call out a series ratings without even understanding why, then you dont really have the right to call something on its accuracy

Death Battle doesnt give it to many cuz its easier for their audience, which majority are just casuals doing reactions with no care for powerscaling, Marvel and DC also get it cuz they have a lot of content that says it in your face with terms like omniverse and what not, others dont have like that, but doesnt mean evidence may not exist they are there too
 
also Dale would kill me if I did/said anything-
I mean I definitely wouldn't😭😭, they can nuke hypertimeline for all I care and I'd be fine🤷‍♂️ my whole point is that the blind hate just because they were high alone was pretty silly. Besides I'm more of a 5d enjoyer myself since its simpler and concrete with little that even needs to be deliberated on
 
I mean I definitely wouldn't😭😭
hmm, i dunno about that...
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how can he control chaos if chaos is by definition uncontrollable?
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hmm, i dunno about that...
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Honestly its pretty crazy how KGB blew up the way it did when people were starting out shitposting about it.

Honestly, its probably the series I can see getting on the show fastest like JJK and CSM. Just need some good MUs, maybe Ichi the Witch vs Chihiro? Good ol AP vs Speed Blitz battle.
 
I’m too lazy to actually reply to people, but for the record I think 5D Sonic is alright, just that anything higher is very flimsy to me.
 
I do wonder if DB accepts the two higher D statements that stack for DBS, making them 6D. Goku would prolly beat Sonic and Moro would beat Tirek in DB.
 

Meh... still one of the worst and overtly toxic canon LGBT+ ships in western animation/literature imo alongside Korrasami (which leeches off better written relationships in other shows by being the pioneer that made "all" of them possible... sure).

For every Lumity or Solangelo there's several variations of fails, from cliché trauma bonding that's turns abusive to straight up baiting and everything in-between. Hence why I'm not a fan of shipping, ofc author intended canon ships is a different beast entirely.
I mean I definitely wouldn't😭😭, they can nuke hypertimeline for all I care and I'd be fine🤷‍♂️ my whole point is that the blind hate just because they were high alone was pretty silly. Besides I'm more of a 5d enjoyer myself since its simpler and concrete with little that even needs to be deliberated on
Same, I personally have the Sonicverse capped at 5D too (via Solaris, Dreams and potential Bulk Space via Generations and Prime, though I'm still not a fan of Prime being "canon" and should be tertiary canon at best imo. Non-canon would be better lol).

I still remember the L1-C free for all, it was both hilarious and hectic. Sonic (games and Archie), Dragonball (games and eventually the DBS anime/manga after a long struggle), Pokémon, Gravity Falls, MCU, Ben 10, MLP, Bayonetta, etc. Puella Magi got to L1-C pretty easily too, then SomebodyData was awoken and downgraded the verse back to 2-A just week after the upgrade iirc.

Even now with the intial rush over (it gave way for the 1-A FFA), verses are still joining the L1-C club with UT, MGF and DMC being recent additions (the latter two were in tier 1 in the past until canon source relatedly downgrades and at one point UT peaked at L2-C for awhile).

The timeline on the wiki is certainly not boring to look back upon in retrospect.
 
Meh... still one of the worst and overtly toxic canon LGBT+ ships in western animation/literature imo alongside Korrasami (which leeches off better written relationships in other shows by being the pioneer that made "all" of them possible... sure).

For every Lumity or Solangelo there's several variations of fails, from cliché trauma bonding that's turns abusive to straight up baiting and everything in-between. Hence why I'm not a fan of shipping, ofc author intended canon ships is a different beast entirely.
I loved She-Ra netflix, and on the one hand I'm glad everyone got their OTP and that it doesn't necessarily need to be analogous to real world morality and constraints, being a fiction (Sci-Fi Fantasy at that), it is understandable everything is heightened for dramatic flair. On the OTHER hand, the shit Catra pulled in season 4 was not ok (as well as everything she did in earlier seasons, but I digress), that girl went nuclear and tried to kill EVERYTHING. Team She-Ra would not have been in the wrong for just killing that whiny feline.
 
Cell vs Metal is such a nothing MU that the fandom is all talking about is Mario vs Sonic 3, Undertaker vs Itachi, and stomping on Sailor Moon vs Madoka

Sucks that a Dragonball episode is sidelined nowadays. Not a good sign.
 
Cell vs Metal is such a nothing MU that the fandom is all talking about is Mario vs Sonic 3, Undertaker vs Itachi, and stomping on Sailor Moon vs Madoka

Sucks that a Dragonball episode is sidelined nowadays. Not a good sign.
It's because there's not much to say beyond what's already been talked about. Metal is more than likely going to win,
The DBcast for the match has pretty good views, so view-wise it should do well. And you don't have to constantly discuss about a match up, especially this one.
 
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