DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[BlackDarkness679]

Season 0 Yami Yugi was a JoJo part 3 character

There was word going that Yugioh got inspired by the D'Arby battle in part 3 at gambling and all that, which may be bullshit by people telling off stuff

 

[Chronicplane]

Fate MU's I dislike or have no thoughts on
~ Luke vs Saber
~ Rin vs Sakura
~ Doctor Doom vs Gilgamesh
~ Shirou Emiya vs Kamen Rider Ryuki
~ Medusa vs Boa Hancock
~ Karna vs Hercules (Marvel)

Fate MU's I like or have interest in
~ Kamen Rider Geats vs Nero Claudius
~ Luke vs Aesc
~ Chrom vs Mandricardo
~ Salter vs Vader
~ Mash Krylieght vs Aigis/Mythra
~ Father Kotomine vs Father Anderson
~ Tohsaka Rin and Archer vs Rika Nonaka and Renamon
~ Chaldea vs Phantom Thieves
~ Goro Akechi vs Oberon=Vortigern
~ Ritsuka Fujimaru vs Kamen Rider Decade

Fate MU where the community likes that I'd like to learn more about
~ Saber Artoria vs Es/Tohka Yatogami

Can't really be asked to make a template of this right now but felt like I wanted to express my most liked and most disliked Fate MU's

 

[Tipper17]

Bored was supposed to mention this two days ago but dealt with work
so as we know Geats is one of the finalists of the DB island challenge and some expect to win
so assuming he does who is his best mu in terms of a buisness perspective?

its one thing to want a mu but can you sell it to main audience is the question
given DB last three episodes performance in clicks it is important to nail what mu can draw interest...
without further ado lets begin

• Nero(Fate)

Can it be profitable: i say prob not. Nero isn't a huge name outside the fate franchise while she a main name in the fate extra stuff its not very known in the states nor is it very popular in comparison to Stay/Night and Zero. Betting on Her being the first fate rep while also trying to introduce two new franchises not many are familiar with is a huge risk and gamble

• Liu Kang
  
• Can it be profitable: To a Decent degree i can see... Liu Kang is a character many been wanting to see for years esp for fire god stuff tho the hype sadly went down lately and doesn't help we hadn't had a fighting game rep in years. Whether he's big enough to carry Geats for an epi remains to be seen however to an extent i can see the epi do fine enough.

• Sephiroth
  
• Can it be profitable:Sephiroth is a iconic villain and FF7 is frankly the biggest entry to most and of coure the remake being there while I don't see monster clicks i can see him vs geats being decent.

• Bayonetta
  
• Can it be profitable: somewhat yes while on the lower end of it, Bayo 3 didn't have the greatest reception from fans and she's kind of been doormat since can she carry him to a decent view count i think she could assuming there's a strong support for her runback and appeal to the db audience

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Is GER getting frauded there too?

Guorno vs Yuta ends in GER vs Z-Arc or God-Eyes so probably yeah

 

[TsukasayaEmmaDCD]

I think God eyes would be better than Zarc honestly.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Bayo vs Geats sounds neat.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I think God eyes would be better than Zarc honestly.

Could always throw a curveball and have it be odd eyes revolution ovo

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Fate MU's I dislike or have no thoughts on
~ Luke vs Saber

Honestly this is literally Artoria best MU and the most safe one now, as some of her MU beside her against Luke are against a less well known/niche chars that I will talk below

~ Rin vs Sakura
~ Doctor Doom vs Gilgamesh
~ Shirou Emiya vs Kamen Rider Ryuki
~ Medusa vs Boa Hancock

I honestly have no idea why people want this, maybe because "muh very obvious connection" but it's pretty dogass MU for both sides lmao
And beside, The Emperor of Mankind is way better opponent for Gilgamesh

~ Karna vs Hercules (Marvel)

This is even more dogass bruh why

Fate MU's I like or have interest in
~ Luke vs Aesc

Tonelico, as much as people really love her and how very popular as she is, still pretty niche
Doesn't mention that Morgan is still more known than her younger self

~ Chrom vs Mandricardo
~ Salter vs Vader

Ehhh..... Kinda mid, and Vader/Chrom/Salter have a better MU than this

~ Mash Krylieght vs Aigis/Mythra

I prefer Cloud vs Rex and Pyra/Mythra but this one doesn't sound bad at all tbh

~ Father Kotomine vs Father Anderson

Okay this is hella good MU so I'm seconded this

~ Tohsaka Rin and Archer vs Rika Nonaka and Renamon
~ Chaldea vs Phantom Thieves
~ Goro Akechi vs Oberon=Vortigern
~ Ritsuka Fujimaru vs Kamen Rider Decade

All of these are mid tbh

Fate MU where the community likes that I'd like to learn more about
~ Saber Artoria vs Es/Tohka Yatogami

Now on this as I said above in Astoria vs Luke: People more demanding Kurumi way more over Tohka while the latter aren't that well-known, and Artoria pretty much outclass her in everything
Es in other hand is even very niche, BlazBlue is very requested but it's because people either want Ragna, Hakumen, or Terumi/Susano'o, everyone aren't very profitable safely and niche, even tho Es as an alternate opponent for Artoria doesn't sound bad at all, in fact it's a good one but still

• Nero(Fate)

Can it be profitable: i say prob not. Nero isn't a huge name outside the fate franchise while she a main name in the fate extra stuff its not very known in the states nor is it very popular in comparison to Stay/Night and Zero. Betting on Her being the first fate rep while also trying to introduce two new franchises not many are familiar with is a huge risk and gamble

To add your point, Nero doesn't get any momentum recently at all in popularity, and people are more known and prefer her Beast VI/S so take that as your will
I'm surprised this is the most requested and best MU for both sides despite the fact that Nero nowadays aren't popular while her Beast version are more known nowadays
Geats vs Beast VI/S doesn't sound bad tbh

• Liu Kang
  
• Can it be profitable: To a Decent degree i can see... Liu Kang is a character many been wanting to see for years esp for fire god stuff tho the hype sadly went down lately and doesn't help we hadn't had a fighting game rep in years. Whether he's big enough to carry Geats for an epi remains to be seen however to an extent i can see the epi do fine enough.

This one is mid to even trash, Liu Kang have a better MU than this as well, and Geats from what we know, mogged him so hard it's not even funny

The last two I didn't have any arguments as I did find Sephiroth and Bayonetta a very good MU for Geats, and I prefer the latter than Nero too due of what I said about her earlier

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Geats making it through champion island only to get fed to bayonetta would be very funny

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Of course you would say that

 

[Tipper17]

Of course you would say that

He arguably might have a point tho it's probably much more debatable than given

 

[TsukasayaEmmaDCD]

Could always throw a curveball and have it be odd eyes revolution ovo

Is it weird I actually see manga yuya have connections than anime yuya for giorno

 

[OrangeFR]

It would be really funny if they give Ash creation trio scaling via beating Tobias’ Darkrai and Darkrai fighting Dialga and Palkia in his movie I think. (Or they just go balls to the walls with Hoopa movie scaling and from this point onwards like everyone gets CT scaling).

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Is it weird I actually see manga yuya have connections than anime yuya for giorno

Makes sense, but revolution is the unification form from the oneshot spinoff manga

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

Geats making it through champion island only to get fed to bayonetta would be very funny

How does Bayo win?

 

[Gyra1524]

To add your point, Nero doesn't get any momentum recently at all in popularity, and people are more known and prefer her Beast VI/S so take that as your will
I'm surprised this is the most requested and best MU for both sides despite the fact that Nero nowadays aren't popular while her Beast version are more known nowadays
Geats vs Beast VI/S doesn't sound bad tbh

Honestly, while I don't entirely think it's a vocal minority and think there's a decent chunk that will vote for it, but I do think more people are asking for NeroGeats than people who will actually vote for it if Geats wins.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

How does Bayo win?

Bias

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Bored was supposed to mention this two days ago but dealt with work
so as we know Geats is one of the finalists of the DB island challenge and some expect to win
so assuming he does who is his best mu in terms of a buisness perspective?

its one thing to want a mu but can you sell it to main audience is the question
given DB last three episodes performance in clicks it is important to nail what mu can draw interest...
without further ado lets begin

• Nero(Fate)

Can it be profitable: i say prob not. Nero isn't a huge name outside the fate franchise while she a main name in the fate extra stuff its not very known in the states nor is it very popular in comparison to Stay/Night and Zero. Betting on Her being the first fate rep while also trying to introduce two new franchises not many are familiar with is a huge risk and gamble

• Liu Kang
  
• Can it be profitable: To a Decent degree i can see... Liu Kang is a character many been wanting to see for years esp for fire god stuff tho the hype sadly went down lately and doesn't help we hadn't had a fighting game rep in years. Whether he's big enough to carry Geats for an epi remains to be seen however to an extent i can see the epi do fine enough.

• Sephiroth
  
• Can it be profitable:Sephiroth is a iconic villain and FF7 is frankly the biggest entry to most and of coure the remake being there while I don't see monster clicks i can see him vs geats being decent.

• Bayonetta
  
• Can it be profitable: somewhat yes while on the lower end of it, Bayo 3 didn't have the greatest reception from fans and she's kind of been doormat since can she carry him to a decent view count i think she could assuming there's a strong support for her runback and appeal to the db audience

Aren't the people voting the people in the Death Battle Discord and subreddit? If so, the most popular match for Geats is Nero, from what I have seen.

 

[TsukasayaEmmaDCD]

I think geats vs seohiroth and nero/bayo are his best MUs

 

[WeeklyBattles]

How does Bayo win?

Off the top of my head:

Better overall stats (bayo gets into complex to high complex multiversal via the r>f transcendence stuff from bayo 2 and the dimensional matrix stuff from bayo 3)

Conceptual level killing

Passive causality manipulation that diverts reality into becoming whatever outcome she wants it to be, which also overwrites the causality manipulation of other people with the same ability and can affect beings unbound by time and causality altogether

Busted immortality and regen (can regenerate from being erased from existence on a conceptual level on a multiversal scale and cannot be killed without rewriting the laws of reality due to her existence as a multiverse constant as the Arch-Eve)

Nigh omniscience (the Left Eye gives her full knowledge of everything her opponents can do as well as full knowledge of their past, present, and future)

The ability to summon an infinite army of bayonettas all with the same powers as her from across the multiverse

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

Better overall stats (bayo gets into complex to high complex multiversal via the r>f transcendence stuff from bayo 2 and the dimensional matrix stuff from bayo 3)

I didn't know you buy r>f transcendence, Weekly.

 

[Tipper17]

Aren't the people voting the people in the Death Battle Discord and subreddit? If so, the most popular match for Geats is Nero, from what I have seen.

ReRead my post in terms of a business perspective

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

ReRead my post in terms of a business perspective

Ah, fair enough.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I didn't know you buy r>f transcendence, Weekly.

I do ye

In vayos case it's super blatant too

 

[Chronicplane]

Geats vs Nero is the most popular MU for Geats on the official Discord and Reddit, it's quite literally the most talked about and discussed of all Geats MU's. Assuming the final MU poll is also members only Nero has quite a good shot of winning for his MU.

Bored was supposed to mention this two days ago but dealt with work
so as we know Geats is one of the finalists of the DB island challenge and some expect to win
so assuming he does who is his best mu in terms of a buisness perspective?

its one thing to want a mu but can you sell it to main audience is the question
given DB last three episodes performance in clicks it is important to nail what mu can draw interest...
without further ado lets begin

• Nero(Fate)

Can it be profitable: i say prob not. Nero isn't a huge name outside the fate franchise while she a main name in the fate extra stuff its not very known in the states nor is it very popular in comparison to Stay/Night and Zero. Betting on Her being the first fate rep while also trying to introduce two new franchises not many are familiar with is a huge risk and gamble

To add your point, Nero doesn't get any momentum recently at all in popularity, and people are more known and prefer her Beast VI/S so take that as your will
I'm surprised this is the most requested and best MU for both sides despite the fact that Nero nowadays aren't popular while her Beast version are more known nowadays
Geats vs Beast VI/S doesn't sound bad tbh


The last two I didn't have any arguments as I did find Sephiroth and Bayonetta a very good MU for Geats, and I prefer the latter than Nero too due of what I said about her earlier

I do want to make a bit of a disclaimer that being a massive Fate fan that I am and someone who's recently compared to Fate gotten into Kamen Rider I do find it to be my obligation to try and at least give my perspective on this matter as I've been seeing a lot of discussion surrounding Geats vs Nero's highly controversial reception, much less in regards to the matchup quality it's actually really good, even the mods in the official don't try to refute that and more due to how it could perform if Geats vs Nero is chosen as the winning MU and made into an episode.

_ _ _ _ _

Some clarifying and clearing things up since I've been seeing (not just here, in the official Discord to) of the "it won't do well in views" argument. The easiest point to counter is using the last few death battle episodes as indicative, as some may not know Youtube recently rolled out an update that makes it so anyone who's using ad blocker there views don't get counted towards whichever video there watching.

This is obviously hurting all content creators not just Death Battle which does explain why it took Dante vs Clive 11 days to reach 1 million. But on the subject I do feel like we're misjudging what makes a video performing well. An video that does 1 million views in 2 weeks is still decent, and obviously every DB ends up doing well over 1 million eventually.

Second the arguments seams fall apart when the whole point of CI is to allow the community to choose what MU they desire most to happen regardless of if choosing that as an episode is optimal (looking at you Cole vs Alex), and let's not try to downplay or pretend Geats vs Nero isn't without it's merits and good qualities. A good acquaintance and GeatsVsNero supporter (one who actually pioneered the MU actually credit due) Bee on the official Discord make an entire google doc that goes to feature lengths and explains why it's a very good matchup than I ever could. It isn't a surprise really that it's gained quite a decent following in the past month. If you think the matchup is bad or just don't know the appeal I strongly recommend giving this doc a read

WITNESS THE HIGHLIGHT! || Nero Claudius VS Kamen Rider Geats

WITNESS THE HIGHLIGHT!So, as someone who loves Fate, especially loves Nero & has recently finished Geats. I’m here to compile all of my thoughts on this matchup. Nero Claudius VS Kamen Rider Geats. I’m going to explain both of their characters, the connections, the dynamic, and why I persona...

docs.google.com

But yeah, communities choice is obviously going to be a factor. Assuming Nero is put on the poll and if she wins then it's going to be made an episode.

Third. An this is more of bringing to light. But to those who don't know. Fate/Extra is getting a remake and is scheduled to be releasing in Spring of 2026 next year. The title where Nero is the main character and plays a significant roll in compared to her appearances in FGO (unless if you count Draco, and we don't talk about Septem) so this will put Nero in a more modern spotlight. She's also the prominent meme known of Padoru's and Umu's which may unironically help her recognizability but more importantly~

Being a Takeuchi designed character and very similar looking in design to Artoria (Yeah I know, the Takeuchi is an in universe joke even Nasu and the writers from Grand Carnival and Carnival Phantasm are self aware) means with a bit of framing and titling of the episode by calling her Saber Red, Saber Nero or Saber (Nero Claudius) anycase can make it pop and stand out more to casual viewers that'd immediately recognize the branding and looks to wanna check it out. An the episode could go into it pretending that Nero is Artoria and transition into Nero herself,(maybe throw a Nero from Devil May Cry in there lol) just throwing around some ideas but I think you'll may get the jist.

Is picking Nero as an option kind of risky~ yes. But the MU has so many merit points in it's favour. With the right drum rolling from previews, episode itself and direction I think Geats vs Nero would do fine as an episode. It ain't going to smash box office numbers but it doesn't have to, the communities decision should come as higher precedence and It would be silly to think the team hosting Champion Island such event and weren't prepared. This is my two cense but I genuinely like Geats vs Nero. This post isn't to try and sway Liu Kang or Bayo supporters or dog on there preferred. Just trying to clear up that I think a lot of these arguments for why Nero is bad are kind of bad faith arguments or rely a lot on speculation without knowing how well IP's of Fate and Kamen Rider would do.

 

[Chronicplane]

Honestly this is literally Artoria best MU and the most safe one now, as some of her MU beside her against Luke are against a less well known/niche chars that I will talk below

I definitely respectfully disagree on this being BFB. It's borderline devoid of any interesting or cool fight banter due to how similar there philosophies are, the fight dynamic is poor with Luke's powers just not meshing well with Sabers at all and has a lot of miscontextualising on both fronts, whether you're using canon or legends Luke, Sabers putting him into next week, not exactly painting such an iconic fictional character in a positive limelight especially one that hasn't appeared on the show in 14 years and was against a J.K rowling character which yeah.... ~ and just serves as an excuse to getting Fate on the show.

Both have better, especially Luke in Paul Atreides. I don't know who else Artoria would face exactly but Ive never felt this was it.

 

[NotoriouSoda]

ngl all this geats talk and if ash wins in the end that will be funny

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Oh and Bayo can also null his regen and immortality with gluttony, which negates regeneration, resurrection, and reincarnation by cutting those affected by it off from the cycle of life, death, and rebirth

 

[Chronicplane]

Weekly saying Bayo curbstomps Geats? Now we all know for sure Geats is beating Bayo in an episode

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

I do ye

In vayos case it's super blatant too

But you don't believe they reach outer?

 

[Joycap]

Oh my god can we actually talk about how that doesnt make sense?

Like, on top of Ashnime people want to use Masters in mainline games too but what are you doing?? Anime and games had big differences in stories. There is no giant Zygarde statue coming to alive in games. Hell, didnt Lysandre die in anime? And he is still in Masters, whats up with that?

This right here is the reason I disavow anyone using XC2 KOS-MOS as a reason to claim the Xenosaga Trilogy is canon to blade universe.

 

[Tipper17]

But on the subject I do feel like we're misjudging what makes a video performing well. An video that does 1 million views in 2 weeks is still decent, and obviously every DB ends up doing well over 1 million eventually.

Sure shitty YT Algo not helping matters and some cases depending on the expectations it can be fine however ya still need it to do good than just ok especially when neither franchise made an appearance in the show

But to those who don't know. Fate/Extra is getting a remake and is scheduled to be releasing in Spring of 2026 next year. The title where Nero is the main character and plays a significant roll in compared to her appearances in FGO (unless if you count Draco, and we don't talk about Septem) so this will put Nero in a more modern spotlight. She's also the prominent meme known of Padoru's and Umu's which may unironically help her recognizability but more importantly~

Remake aspect in doubt doing much there in it's arguments it still a niche part of the franchise not a major forefront like the other sections

Doubt the memes will translate to clicks here especially when the Padoru stuff comes in December primarily

The saber aspect might help a bit I'll give you there

picking Nero as an option kind of risky~ yes. But the MU has so many merit points in it's favour. With the right drum rolling from previews, episode itself and direction I think Geats vs Nero would do fine as an episode. It ain't going to smash box office numbers but it doesn't have to, the communities decision should come as higher precedence and It would be silly to think the team hosting Champion Island such event and weren't prepared. This is my two cense but I genuinely like Geats vs Nero. This post isn't to try and sway Liu Kang or Bayo supporters or dog on there preferred. Just trying to clear up that I think a lot of these arguments for why Nero is bad are kind of bad faith arguments or rely a lot on speculation without knowing how well IP's of Fate and Kamen Rider would do.

It's not about the merits of quality of the mu most agreed it's good it's whether it can do well enough to have to team be more open to do more future episodes in both franchises cases
they ain't gonna screw Nero over from the poll.

Regarding to the IP reception eh we're gambling on two characters one from a franchise that's relatively niche as hell and one that isn't a big name outside it's franchises it's two who's that majority of the DB audience aren't familiar with

We got folks going who to Buffy and Clive and the former was a major TV big name and the other Had a Guest appearance in a high selling Fighting game

If they got folks going who and episodes struggling a bit ignoring Algo fuckery kinda hard to be certain it'll do fine

 

[WeeklyBattles]

But you don't believe they reach outer?

Correct

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Back to Yugi va Ash, what's y'alls favorite series from both of them? I like 5ds and diamond and pearl myself.

 

[Tipper17]

Back to Yugi va Ash, what's y'alls favorite series from both of them? I like 5ds and diamond and pearl myself.

classic YYGO,GX,5d

 

[TsukasayaEmmaDCD]

Back to Yugi va Ash, what's y'alls favorite series from both of them? I like 5ds and diamond and pearl myself.

GX

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Ngl, it's really funny how quick people were to turn on ash scaling to the Creation trio when its been argued for years that he does but people were unwilling to do the same for Maka when she is in an identical situation as him scaling-wise

 

[Epiccheev]

Back to Yugi va Ash, what's y'alls favorite series from both of them? I like 5ds and diamond and pearl myself.

GX for YUGI-OH, Any mystery dungeon for pokemon.
(Black and White is a close second for me purely because of this song v)

 

[WeeklyBattles]

GX for YUGI-OH, Any mystery dungeon for pokemon.
(Black and White is a close second for me purely because of this song v)

Driftveil and Opelucid tho