DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[Tipper17]

Dude I'm sorry but you sound upset that everyone here seems to disagree with a fight you agreed with.

Then you phrasing/painting us as some almost hostile mob when everyone has given countless arguments to their points and opinions just isn't fair

Its discourse dude, and you disagreeing with us is fine but this subtly painting us as unreasonable is out of line

Nah it's more so folks getting disrespectful over it it's one thing to disagree and whatever but let's not act like some folks here didn't get all pissy because db didn't surcribe to this site view point over it

No shit it's discourse this is VS everybody gonna have there agreement and disagreement

What I don't like is folks acting as if there was this massive consensus over the outcome months ago as if we didn't go in blind for the most part

It's not all people here but it reeks of that energy

 

[Tanin_iver]

That doesn't work because everyone can see that's a one sided beat down

Are you sure it's a one sided beatdown. I find it highly debatable. I mean Thanos got arrested by normal ass policemen and Light is part of the Police department, which means he can easily arrest him. He is also one heck of a genius who outwitted L who was the greatest detective in the world.
And he also has the Death Note that Thanos hasn't specifically resisted. I mean does Thanos have feats of surviving a fatal Heart Attack let alone one that was orchestrated by the Death Note?
Yeah, I can see why DB might give Light the victory while some Marvel fans might whine and cope.

 

[Tots_Real]

Sun-Disk just makes no sense mathematically or from a story perspective. If Omni-Man can shatter a star-sized disk, why did he need two other Viltrumites to break through a destabilized planet? Granted some could argue he is holding back or PIS - which makes no sense from a story point, but then the math also doesn't work:

Invincible: You Had One Job

vsbattles.fandom.com

spaceship busts solar disk calc

vsbattles.fandom.com

Neither got above Planet Level. Didn't help that the main calcer of DB was posting on the discord that he wanted Dragon Ball to lose, which people have always suspected from DB so this just add fuel to the conspiracy fire.

If a civilization could build a star sized structure why even build it if you could just destroy the star instead with less the effort?

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Nah it's more so folks getting disrespectful over it it's one thing to disagree and whatever but let's not act like some folks here didn't get all pissy because db didn't surcribe to this site view point over it

No shit it's discourse this is VS everybody gonna have there agreement and disagreement

What I don't like is folks acting as if there was this massive consensus over the outcome months ago as if we didn't go in blind for the most part

It's not all people here but it reeks of that energy

No one's really being disrespectful. You justifying accusing us of toxic behavior by saying 'it reeks of that energy' is more well poisoning then anything anyone here has done.

If there was a consensus before doesn't really matter, the episode is out and we are judging it based on the arguements in it, just as we did with the G1 blog.

You can phrase it and insult us while doing it however you like, but a lot of the things they missed or got wrong aren't just 'only in VSBW' things.

Nobody here is calling bias, calling the episode itself dog shit, suggesting we go brigade anything, we are disagreeing.

You are being overly defensive and insulting for no particular reason and I'm not sure why.

 

[Da3ggman]

No one's really being disrespectful. You justifying accusing us of toxic behavior by saying 'it reeks of that energy' is more well poisoning then anything anyone here has done.

If there was a consensus before doesn't really matter, the episode is out and we are judging it based on the arguements in it, just as we did with the G1 blog.

You can phrase it and insult us while doing it however you like, but a lot of the things they missed or got wrong aren't just 'only in VSBW' things.

Nobody here is calling bias, calling the episode itself dog shit, suggesting we go brigade anything, we are disagreeing.

You are being overly defensive and insulting for no particular reason and I'm not sure why.

I keep reading your posts in Doakes' voice and its really funny lmao

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

I keep reading your posts in Doakes' voice and its really funny lmao

I always knew you were sick Morgan

 

[Fezzih_007]

Merge is happening, and the challenge is a simple vote:

Team Boomstick will pick either Geats or Sakuya to save one of them from the vote

And Team Wiz will pick one from Team Boomstick to save from the Vote.

Everyone else gets on the poll and the two most voted are eliminated.

I got this from Reddit.

So like, the strategy should be protecting Sakuya, so Geats gets on the vote and be elimalinated by Team Boom jumping him, since he's the bigger threat.

I don't know who Team Wiz should protect tho there's Room for negotiation there.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Tipper both death battle and vs wiki at times dont know how to accurately tier a character or verse

Death Battle also is inconsistent even in the same season with stats, you had Shigaraki at the stats they claimed, then you had Deku not long after lower then what former had, even if it was to not look like a stomp to Miles, these two are comparable, this is the equivalent of having Goku at whatever thousand times universal in base, then later Vegeta gets reduced to much, much lesser

Marvel vs DC herald fights Raven beats Phoenix despite their placement in their worlds, then later they go back on that? Not like comics arent inconsistent overall, but like why you go left and right between them? Especially when you mention how some beat others and all that, like Apocalypse would have stomped Black Adam overall by just how Hulk is scaled lately by them

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Also some stuff arent up for interpretation or to be argued to be more then one thing

Cell is a solar system buster in manga canon which is backed up as legitimate, claiming he isnt for dumb reasons like he never shown it or the like aint good or up for debate

 

[TMaakkonen]

this is the equivalent of having Goku at whatever thousand times universal in base, then later Vegeta gets reduced to much, much lesser

I mean this basically happened with multipliers lol

 

[Rayfire]

"Still holding out on me? Let's see what your monster can REALLY do!"

"..If the devil cries for more, then let's give him all we've got! JOSHUAAA!!!!!!!!"

I'm kinda late but Dante vs Clive was a solid 9.5/10 for me. I didn't know much about either of them but i still had a blast watching that fight, Torrian seriously outdid himself with this one, and so did Brandon with that banger of a track. This one's definitely somewhere up there with Bowsegg and Kylemon imo.

I suppose my only nitpicks would be that there were a couple times where the facial expressions looked slightly awkward, and the fact that Dante didn't really try to dodge or defend against Clive's last attack. Still, i thought the callback to Kylemon with the death and Dante's last witty comment seemingly referencing a certain someone from GL was neat.

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

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Nice pfp.

 

[Joycap]

"..If the devil cries for more, then let's give him all we've got! JOSHUAAA!!!!!!!!"

I mean I too perked up in my seat, largely on a count of being reminded of this:

I mean there's @JoshSSJGod - and my IRL first name is Josh, so...

Although I do have to ask... am I the only one who heard this line as 'So the Devil cries for more' and not 'if the Devil cries for more'? We're not on some yanny vs laurel shit, are we?

Same goes with that 'even a god will be nothing' line at the end. I heard it as 'after a fight like this, that god will be nothing', but I've heard people cutting the auto-generated subs out and quoting it as 'for a fight like this'. Clarification please?

 

[BlackDarkness679]

I mean this basically happened with multipliers lol

I dont factor multipliers im talkinh strictly off of the universe 7 size scaling

If Goku is x1500 uni as of his 3rd dupes fight and others scaling to him and above somehow drop to a lesser value by a wide margin, at that point you ask why you change your stance on that?

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Unlike the other guy, this one even with the explanation in front of him he is like how some stuff are rated the way they are, how you get confused that 1/10 of something is simply downscaling from it

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

Unlike the other guy, this one even with the explanation in front of him he is like how some stuff are rated the way they are, how you get confused that 1/10 of something is simply downscaling from it

Out of all the examples of bad vsbw crossverse tiering mentioned in the video, this one made the least sense to me.

It makes perfect sense that Robin can solo all of them going off stats only, why is that controversial?

 

[Steve1775]

Unlike the other guy, this one even with the explanation in front of him he is like how some stuff are rated the way they are, how you get confused that 1/10 of something is simply downscaling from it

This is one of my issue with this trend. On paper making a few laughs is fair but most of the time it's just blatant misinformation and just simply not understanding how the site works. It's like me saying terraria is hard without actually understanding the mechanics

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

"Still holding out on me? Let's see what your monster can REALLY do!"

"..If the devil cries for more, then let's give him all we've got! JOSHUAAA!!!!!!!!"

I'm kinda late but Dante vs Clive was a solid 9.5/10 for me. I didn't know much about either of them but i still had a blast watching that fight, Torrian seriously outdid himself with this one, and so did Brandon with that banger of a track. This one's definitely somewhere up there with Bowsegg and Kylemon imo.

I suppose my only nitpicks would be that there were a couple times where the facial expressions looked slightly awkward, and the fact that Dante didn't really try to dodge or defend against Clive's last attack. Still, i thought the callback to Kylemon with the death and Dante's last witty comment seemingly referencing a certain someone from GL was neat.

Dante putting on Dr Faust not to actually use any attacks with but just to have it on while he was fighting is so painfully in character.

Dude put it on for the love of the game and nothing else

 

[Tipper17]

Tipper both death battle and vs wiki at times dont know how to accurately tier a character or verse

Death Battle also is inconsistent even in the same season with stats, you had Shigaraki at the stats they claimed, then you had Deku not long after lower then what former had, even if it was to not look like a stomp to Miles, these two are comparable, this is the equivalent of having Goku at whatever thousand times universal in base, then later Vegeta gets reduced to much, much lesser

Marvel vs DC herald fights Raven beats Phoenix despite their placement in their worlds, then later they go back on that? Not like comics arent inconsistent overall, but like why you go left and right between them? Especially when you mention how some beat others and all that, like Apocalypse would have stomped Black Adam overall by just how Hulk is scaled lately by them

Believe me I'm aware of this and this is on them because how these episode are made in a vacuum and hindsight being 50/50

 

[Tipper17]

 

[TsukasayaEmmaDCD]

I'm fully expecting with the merge now. Sakuya is gonna be finally kicked out

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I'm fully expecting with the merge now. Sakuya is gonna be finally kicked out

I'm amazed she made it this far.

 

[Tipper17]

 

[Tipper17]

I'm amazed she made it this far.

barely

 

[Tipper17]

I'm fully expecting with the merge now. Sakuya is gonna be finally kicked out

BETTER BE

 

[Tipper17]

 

[Tipper17]

 

[AcidSilver]

I'm personally not looking forward to shit like universal Pikachu because it breaks the setting so massively that it just doesn't make sense when you give it even a second of thought. Because now everyone who Pikachu and any Pokemon like it didn't instantly one tap is now also universal in which case now you got like hundreds of random no name trainers who have Pokemon that can now destroy the entire cosmology.

I know people like to use the "DC doesn't equal AP" argument as an auto defense for this stuff but be real bro. I'm not saying that Palkia is just skyscraper level but I doubt it's throwing out universal attacks all the time every time. Or that it even can do so since it's very possible that it's attacks and it's space hax are two different levels of power. Not like Palkia or Dialga are remaking the universe by shooting a Flamethrower at it or something.

I feel like there's a certain point in powerscaling where you really got to ask yourself how these characters can possibly be as strong as you say they are without shattering the entire story and setting over their knee due to how many problems said strength would cause within the plot.

Edit: Hell we see what it looks like when Dialga and Palkia make a universe in the anime and it's not them using their regular moves. If Cynthia's Garchomp had blocked whatever vague universe energy that Palkia is shooting out here that would be one thing but that's not what happened.


Edit 2: Funny thing about this is that you could've argued that Dialga and Palkia destroyed this new universe after Cyrus goes through but then Journeys brings Team Galactic back and implies that Cyrus and his universe might still exist which weakens the "they destroyed his universe" argument.

 

[Tipper17]

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I'm personally not looking forward to shit like universal Pikachu because it breaks the setting so massively that it just doesn't make sense when you give it even a second of thought. Because now everyone who Pikachu and any Pokemon like it didn't instantly one tap is now also universal in which case now you got like hundreds of random no name trainers who have Pokemon that can now destroy the entire cosmology.

I know people like to use the "DC doesn't equal AP" argument as an auto defense for this stuff but be real bro. I'm not saying that Palkia is just skyscraper level but I doubt it's throwing out universal attacks all the time every time. Or that it even can do so since it's very possible that it's attacks and it's space hax are two different levels of power. Not like Palkia or Dialga are remaking the universe by shooting a Flamethrower at it or something.

I feel like there's a certain point in powerscaling where you really got to ask yourself how these characters can possibly be as strong as you say they are without shattering the entire story and setting over their knee due to how many problems said strength would cause within the plot.

You say this but at the same time a nerfed Arceus in an older movie also shook an entire universal realm just by waking up so like it's not that the universe busting stuff is purely through hax powers.

 

[TMaakkonen]

Arceus is Arceus and whole different ballgame.

Im praying that my vibes of DB team not caring about Pokemon so they get Dante treatment is true lol

 

[Epiccheev]

What would the finishers be for Ash and Yugi?
Yugi imo shoul either be Horakthy summoning or Silent magician against a defenseless Ash (Since She's the one to end the final battle on original Yugi-oh)

Ash would absolutely have to be Pikachu's 10,000,000 VOLT THUNDERBOLT, or Solgaleo's Searing Sunraze Smash since iirc it's his strongest mon?.

 

[AcidSilver]

You say this but at the same time a nerfed Arceus in an older movie also shook an entire universal realm just by waking up so like it's not that the universe busting stuff is purely through hax powers.

As strange as it may sound you can't actually scale the Creation Trio to Arceus in the anime. In that same movie he completely stonewalls all three of them at once because of his plates. The most they could do was stall him with stuff like Palkia's space hax but it was very obvious that they had no chance of actually stopping him. That was kind of the whole reason that Dialga sends everyone back in time to prevent Arceus from being betrayed in the first place.

 

[Joycap]

What would the finishers be for Ash and Yugi?
Yugi imo shoul either be Horakthy summoning or Silent magician against a defenseless Ash (Since She's the one to end the final battle on original Yugi-oh)

Ash would absolutely have to be Pikachu's 10,000,000 VOLT THUNDERBOLT, or Solgaleo's Searing Sunraze Smash since iirc it's his strongest mon?.

Ash is absolutely letting 10mil Z move rip, mark my words

(whether or not that's a win con for him, I'm staying out of that discussion)

 

[Steve1775]

I want Ash to win because it will be so ******* funny

 

[Epiccheev]

whether or not that's a win con for him, I'm staying out of that discussion

The real wincons are NTRing Dark Magician from Yugi through Snivy's attract(heartbreaking) and Ash breaking his duel disk and then punching him out.

 

[AthelChan]

The real wincons are NTRing Dark Magician from Yugi through Snivy's attract(heartbreaking) and Ash breaking his duel disk and then punching him out.

the Snivy agenda must keep going on.

 

[AcidSilver]

The agenda art has begun.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

The real wincons are NTRing Dark Magician from Yugi through Snivy's attract(heartbreaking) and Ash breaking his duel disk and then punching him out.

TFW yugi doesnt even need his duel disc to summon monssters

 

[Epiccheev]

Wonder if DB Yugi will fight like Jump Force Yugi does