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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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That one while good isn't killing there argument viewpoint
We know they took breaks between them not they like fought non stop 24/7
There mindset boils down to him in SDT not lasting enough to win than overall stamina battle than just base form
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Clive won. The episode was pretty neat overall, but the hype towards this was so nothing that I honestly feel nothing about Dante losing.
Ash Vs Yugi is bound to be more interesting if.
Ash Vs Yugi is bound to be more interesting if.
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15 years. I have been a fan of the show since Starscream VS Rainbow Dash. I feel so old, like that Anton Ego gif
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Literally everything.
Higher AP/ Dura - Been involved in more threads
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Higher Speed - Weeklys ability to response quickly and concisely shit stomps Sean
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@Chariot190 Victims, bust Weekly shitstomps Sean. Jinx is there but is irrelevant
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It also requires the baseless stamina headcanon to stand. A headcanon based on assumptions and contradicted by the fact Nero and Vergil regenerated from nothing without any stamina, the fact Dante disempowered Abigail (who regenerates from a puddle) while Abigail still had loads of stamina afterwards, the fact Argosax was killed instantly while still having lots of stamina, and so many more obvious feats that show us that it's power null rather than stamina.
It also ignored the obvious resistance to time stop and King Cerberus being absolute zero (an instant kill seems relevant when they claimed it was a war of attrition).
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watching this db:
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Also can't help but feel the analysis felt weirdly lackluster? Like no mentions of guide or any of the other multipliers or such.
The fight was VERY good but the more I rewatch, the analysis is so whatever.
The fight was VERY good but the more I rewatch, the analysis is so whatever.
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Imagining Naoya Zenin saying this makes this incomprehensibly more hilarious.Im so happy that i got spoiled on the ending before i even watched it by the top comment! That really made my day
I’m going to rip that persons dick off and hang them with it.
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Sean needs his own sun disc guys
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Insane mismatch what was the crew thinking
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This took him years and was only able to restore himself proper after taking Yamato from Nero.
Simply not being tired doesn't mean one isn't drawing upon a finite resource to recuperate.
This sounds so bizarre, because then we have to say that Urizen nulled Dante's regen but not enough that Dante couldn't recover but just enough that a strong punch would knock him out for an entire month.
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You seem reputable, who are you betting for the next MU, Sean vs Weekly? I've heard it's a stomp.
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I couldn't care less, if we are being completely honest.
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Your fun
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I genuinely might try to do a rework of Yugi now that i havea framework to go off of, assuming a certain someone doesnt stonewall meYugi's stats compared to Ash's stats on this site
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Sean's sun disc is going to be be the Snivy wincon lmao
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He rebuilt himself from non-existence while having zero stamina. Years or not. Nero did something similar.
So is it stamina or not? This is the problem with this entire headcanon. You're asking me to prove a negative when this headcanon applies a weakness for being knocked out despite regeneration only to one verse, despite the fact we've seen lots of characters get beaten up despite having regeneration. Burden of proof is on DB to prove regeneration stops working with less stamina, not on others to prove it doesn't.
Nulling or slowing regeneration with power doesn't mean they won't recover much later.
Besides, even if we dismiss the power null showings, the burden of proof is still on the proponents of that headcanon to prove regeneration gets weaker with less stamina because they can be beaten down, but no such weakness is needed for all the times Wolverine and characters like him can get messed up despite theirs.
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Honestly Dante Vs Clive the same episode as Megatron Vs Frieza. Peak animation, very lackluster analysis
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That's true of a few DB videos.
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He was heavily weakened and was still crumbling away up until he took Yamato from Nero. It also wasn't complete "non-existence", it was at most him lacking his body.
Nero's body had melted into the Savior yes that much is true, but he required the use of Yamato to separate himself from the Savior. This still doesn't fight the notion that their energy pool is finite.
"Nulling or slowing regeneration with power" just sounds like a funny way of saying fighting someone stronger depletes his energy faster, it doesn't refute the stamina argument.
Because Devil May Cry is not Marvel, does Wolverine draw upon demonic energy to recover? No? Then why is he being used as an argument?
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No trace remained of him as directly stated, and his name no longer existed.
Energy pool being finite is one thing. Proof their regeneration stops working?
Actually, it doesn't show that way. First of all slower regeneration isn't shown really, and in cases where attacks down characters who earlier regenerated from heavier wounds they have plenty of stamina (the monkey, Abigail).
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He wasn't there presently after he disappeared, no.
One exists as fuel for the other, if one runs out so does the other - it is actually that simple.
If they still had demonic energy then they could still regenerate, yes. If Dante can regenerate from bullets to the head and from a puddle then being knocked out from a single punch would not be of concern - unless stronger attacks are more taxing on it.
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We need evidence that this is the case instead of demanding proof it isn't. Ironically feats do contradict it, but that's not even needed. The burden of proof is on the headcanon claiming a unique weakness to only this regeneration based on stuff that happens to almost every regenerating character.
Vergil had no demonic energy or even an existence, how did he regenerate? I don't care how long it took or that he was still struggling, he regenerated his whole body and even his name (which is stated to be the abstract concept of his being in-verse) while starting with zero stamina or energy. No trace detected by someone who can sense energy and smell demons. Abigail still had lots of stamina after being disempowered and wasn't even injured. How is that possible via just a physical strike weakening his stamina?
This happens with lots of characters who can regenerate. All the time. Even Majin Buu of all people had this happen. It's absurdly common. This headcanon attempts to impose a weakness only on one verse, a weakness that basically renders the regeneration worthless no less, based on very specific interpretations of very little evidence.
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Majin Buu doesn't have energy needs like that though..
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Characters who have the regeneration to shrug off far greater wounds frequently get knocked out by attacks from stronger characters with far lesser damage shown. It's very common, so it's unfair to impose a weakness on only one verse for it.
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Urizen knocking Dante out cold for a month is a very clear example of this.
The direct quote from the guidebook is "his body disappeared without a trace", not whatever else you're adding onto it.
I don't care about other characters, they aren't relevant to this discussion and including them is only a means to handwave a contradiction to your narrative.
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This is a weird looking Sean vs Weekly debate
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By this logic any regenerating character being knocked out is proof of the same thing. Exhaustion and regeneration not working are two different things.
The quote I read back then was about no trace remaining in the room.
It doesn't matter though. If Dante blasting Nelo Angelo into nothing didn't deplete that stamina enough to stop him coming back, how exactly does Clive burning Dante do so? Even if we did accept the stamina argument, we'd still be left with someone coming back after being blasted to nothing and having no stamina, never mind the part about the name. So even then Clive couldn't kill Dante.
Not when you're attempting to impose a different rule on DMC compared to other verses and characters. Especially over a trope as common as regenerating characters being downed by wounds lesser than their regeneration should handle.
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This has turned less about the fact they thought Dante had a time limit (however vague they believed it is by the time of 5 in the black box they believed to be) and more about how his stamina/energy into his regen shouldn't be taken to such an easy extent as they thought it would be
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Again - no, unless said characters regenerate through the use of a finite energy source then it is not proof of the same thing.
"With darkness spewing from his body, the jet-black knight was approaching his final hour. The glow of life in his voice finally burned out completely, and his body disappeared without a trace."
It evidently did prevent him regenerating for a time, and it was bad enough that he had to rip Nero's arm from him to retrieve Yamato to keep himself going after recovering for that many years.
He killed him for the time being which is all that really matters for the Death Battle, he will be gone for a considerable period of time similar to how Discord will eventually return after Bill killed him - it does not prevent him from being the victor.
It's not imposing a different rule it's just abiding by what the source material presents.
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Dante vs Clive was really cool, objectively. Like a 10/10.
But I don't know either character, so I didn't enjoy it as much.
Also, did everyone notice Death Battle episode animations are getting longer and longer? It seems that not being restricted to, like, 2–4 minutes really helped them a lot. Fights feel more natural and stuff. Honestly, the quality of the animations has improved a lot ever since they got independent.
But I don't know either character, so I didn't enjoy it as much.
Also, did everyone notice Death Battle episode animations are getting longer and longer? It seems that not being restricted to, like, 2–4 minutes really helped them a lot. Fights feel more natural and stuff. Honestly, the quality of the animations has improved a lot ever since they got independent.
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Except this isn't proven at all. In fact no evidence points to this. This might be surprising, but demons have a strange physiology in addition to demonic energy. Considering that physiology is usually the source of regeneration, and characters like V and Arius had lots of demonic energy in a human body and notably lacked regeneration, this tells us that the regeneration is not just powered by their demonic energy.
We have characters who regenerate from nothingness with zero stamina, characters with lots of demon energy but human bodies and souls who lack regeneration entirely (notably V and his demons all draw from V's own energy, all of the demons have regeneration, and yet V lacks it), and demons having some pretty freaky physiologies ranging from demons whose body parts can act independently from their body to demons who are literally non-existent. Demons are also shown to adapt to things as they interact with them; notably Dante went from damaged by Ifrit's fire to immune to it while he was still engulfed in it, same with the negative effects of the demon world. This is all demonic physiology.
So the evidence does not support the notion that the regeneration only works through demonic energy, leaving us with just the issue of characters getting hurt by less visible damage than they should handle. Even ignoring the fact that the evidence actually indicates regeneration null rather than weak regeneration, imposing a weakness for this, especially one that seems tailor made to basically render the regeneration worthless garbage, only on this verse when this trope is almost as common as regeneration itself, just seems like targeted downplay.
One doesn't typically rot away rapidly just because they can't regenerate; there has to be more. Dante does have deconstruction for example, and he's the one who killed Vergil. Dante also had his energy drained to the point of incapacitation at one point, and he didn't start rotting.
Also keep in mind Vergil had to regenerate his name as well, the concept that governs him.
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This episode was painfully, frustratingly close to a 10/10. Some slightly better character interactions, a better death with better tension, then you could look past the research and verdict to give it a 10/10
It's so good it's criminal it's not better
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The 1st death battle i watched was Ryu vs Scorpion and this was in 2014 when only previews of them were out
Wolverine vs Raiden i literally watched after i got back from school and all
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This episode deserved an alternate ending not that pity handout they gave Kratos vs Asura lmao
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The actual game seemingly saying "he can't stay in this form for long" seems to have ****** Dante over.
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This, and the use of Netflix DMC as footage did come off as a touch... anti-featy, if you know what I mean?
The actual game seemingly saying "he can't stay in this form for long" seems to have ****** Dante over.
Doesn't bother me, but I CAN understand why it concerns others.
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