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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

Stefano4444 said:
Ok, here are my general thoughts about the episode.

Starting from the beginning and leaving the debate stuff for later, I do think they did a good job with the character analysis of both Clive and Dante—their general characterization and backstories were well handled. And as predicted, they didn’t just dismiss Devil May Cry’s lore/cosmology, as some people strangely believed they would. Like, seriously, why did anyone think that was going to happen? Ever since Dragonborn vs Chosen Undead they’ve been including lore, and Kratos vs Asura made it more than clear that it’s now standard.

As for the actual animated fight, I think it was up to the standards we now expect from modern Death Battle, aka its was really good. It’s definitely not on the level of Bowser vs Eggman, but I do think they delivered what most of us wanted. The only hiccup was Dante’s death—it felt a little weak—but aside from that, they did a good job showcasing both characters’ abilities, fighting styles, weaponry, and transformations.

And then we get to the most controversial part of the episode: the result. For the physical stats, I think it was fine to have at least both Base Clive and Base Dante scaling above begins who can destroy and affect multiple universal size realms. I’m not sure why they kept them at just FTL+ when they even brought up one of the black boxes, which contain feats putting them at Quadrillions of Times FTL.

But i guess, in this case, it wasn’t necessary and wouldn’t have altered the result in their opinion. Unlike Asura VS Kratos—where Asura had a far blatantly Massively FTL+ scaling, which force them to bring in cosmic scaling for Kratos in the front make clear that they were evenly in Speed (only to butcher it when they used Helios).

Where things start to get messy is with Dante’s Powers and Super Forms's Multipliers. As others have already mentioned, they underestimated or outright ignored the full extent of Devil Trigger’s Multipliers, as if fully included then Dante at peak should theoretically be definitely stronger/faster than Clive at his peak, as well other stuff like his Regeneration be stamina-based or all the Haxes he as a demon should have, which would have likely made Dante the winner.

Overall i think its also another 8/10.
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To be fair they did bring up Clive's Reactive Evolution and how broken that shit is
 
Follow_Doctor_Freeman said:
but Clive has XYZ hax" since I'm pretty sure even 16 isn't too far behind the most haxxed other FFs
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ehhhh, I mean technically it's not too far behind the other FF games in terms of hax but that's mostly due to just Ulitma, Clive himself is kinda middle of the road when it comes to abilities in the series as a whole.
 
Follow_Doctor_Freeman said:
I think the end of the space clash was just confusing, though; Clive wins the clash and is floating in place with Dante nowhere to be seen (presumably punched down to earth if not drowned out in the SFX), but Clive also falls and somehow hits the ground at the same time, even though he won the clash and was further away from the earth besides. And him getting the SSS prompt was also confusing, made me unsure if actually it was Dante who won the clash.
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This though... I was also scratching my head on the space part. What the **** even happened there?
 
Upon rewatch I cant tell if I am supposed to be less or more mad. The fight is just nonstop cream your pants action, but like, it was so close to rivaling fcking Dante vs Bayo and ended up stumbling.

Like easily my favorite fight in Jesus a long ass time, we were so close to revisiting the golden days and then lame death follow by dogshit research
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
Upon rewatch I cant tell if I am supposed to be less or more mad. The fight is just nonstop cream your pants action, but like, it was so close to rivaling fcking Dante vs Bayo and ended up stumbling.

Like easily my favorite fight in Jesus a long ass time, we were so close to revisiting the golden days and then lame death follow by dogshit research
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They would have been better off finding ways to scale Clive to characters from other parts through quotes or something like that, rather than trying so hard to weaken Dante.
 
Spinoirr said:
To be fair they did bring up Clive's Reactive Evolution and how broken that shit is
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Sure, but Asura also had broken Reactive Power Level too, yet Death Battle still believe that Kratos's hax and weaponry would been able to counter it.

And while Clive does have a bit more powers/abilities than Asura, Dante should still take the edge by a good margin.
 
Parts of this debate are starting to remind me of the 'is Miles Morales a herald?' kerfuffle back during Miles vs Deku, in the sense that they bought up the Multi+ threats Miles has helped restrain in the post-analysis, and then have that not apply to his scaling whatsoever anyway?
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
Like easily my favorite fight in Jesus a long ass time, we were so close to revisiting the golden days and then lame death follow by dogshit research
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Most brutal death this season might be the (still offscreened) splattered amogus imposter, funnily enough. Probably dialed down deaths for YT. I don't mind, though, since I'd prefer if the fights were KOs at least for heroes like in most OMM & XVX episodes. But I guess "Death Battle" is catchier than "Battle."

Trying to jerk a tear like Bardock, Asura, and Miles is lame, though. Either do the thing or don't, no being mopey about it. This one didn't have that, just hurried and wrapped it up for poor old man Dante so one doesn't think about the stamina misinterpretation too long.

But I really wish these just ended in merciful resolutions for the most part. This is also why the villain vs villain fights tend to be the most satisfying for being in-character and having conviction for the motive of the fight imo. Mahito vs Shiguraki might be my favorite this season, that felt progressively mean and personal (and I wasn't familiar enough to know who would win). If DB ever had the budget to spare then I'd like there to be more alternate endings, along the lines of the aforementioned heroes'-handshakes moreso than lame Asura pity prizes or even the better DBX variants.
 
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