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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
Which isn't my point, Alexander. I'm simply saying that Simon's always going to be bounded to some form of dimensionality while Godzilla Ultima is outright transcendent of dimensionality.

Which is weird to me because it's R>F transcendence similar to Godzilla Ultima, yet Death Battle argued it was just a higher dimensional transcendence whille Ultima was put at straight up Outerversal. I don't know why that is, but I'm just going by their own research.
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actually...no, i think they pretty much said that Simon thing is equally to Kyle Life Equation thing, wait:
Wiz: Everything, that is, except for the Life Equation. It originated from a higher level of reality, and would have more than evened the odds.

Boomstick: Too bad Kyle couldn't control it. It was just as much a detriment to him as an asset, forcing him to relinquish it to keep from destroying reality... and himself.
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Wiz: Compare that to Simon, who merged with a version of himself writing a version of Gurren Lagann, and using Spiral Power to make that fiction into reality.

Boomstick: A pretty similar level of reality to the Life Equation, and a level of power Simon had no trouble embracing and mastering by the end of his story. No matter how you look at it, Simon might start weaker, but his peak will always transcend Kyle's; isn't that how all of Simon's battles usually go anyway? That's Gurren Lagann in a nutshell.
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they had the same description for Godzilla, that it came from a higher reality or higher plane or whatever.
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
Good for GL. But, with all due respect, it is completely irrelevant to my point and thus I see no reason to bring it up.
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okay
 
Alexander said:
actually...no, i think they pretty much said that Simon thing is equally to Kyle Life Equation thing, wait:
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And you want to know where they put Kyle at his peak with the LE? 12.3-D, that's it. Where as Godzilla Ultima was placed at Outerversal, which means that my point still stands in regards to Simon never being able to reach Ultima.
Alexander said:
they had the same description for Godzilla, that it came from a higher reality or higher plane or whatever.
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Similar description =/= being exactly the same in terms of transcendence and power, my friend. Again: both Simon and Kyle were placed at finite dimensionality while Godzilla is beyond that, end of story.
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
And you want to know where they put Kyle at his peak with the LE? 12.3-D, that's it. Where as Godzilla Ultima was placed at Outerversal, which means that my point still stands in regards to Simon never being able to reach Ultima.

Similar description =/= being exactly the same in terms of transcendence and power, my friend. Again: both Simon and Kyle were placed at finite dimensionality while Godzilla is beyond that, end of story.
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Kyle and Simon were at outer in the episode
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
And you want to know where they put Kyle at his peak with the LE? 12.3-D, that's it. Where as Godzilla Ultima was placed at Outerversal, which means that my point still stands in regards to Simon never being able to reach Ultima.
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no, they pretty much stated that Kyle scales to his cosmology (in the black boxes)
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
Similar description =/= being exactly the same in terms of transcendence and power, my friend. Again: both Simon and Kyle were placed at finite dimensionality while Godzilla is beyond that, end of story.
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oh yeah i clearly didn't read
 
Tipper17 said:
Kyle and Simon were at outer in the episode
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Were they? Because I know that both Simon and Kyle had some R>F implications in their analyses (The LE coming from a platonic realm more real than the DC multiverse, and the CD Drama for Simon), but the results at the end only had them at a finite dimensional level the amount of times I've had to say dimensionality and infinity is ridiculous at this point, I hate that dimensional tiering is a thing in modern VS
 
Tipper17 said:
The only character that could beat Ultima would be Hulk,Galactus and The Phoenix
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Actually anyone that could decipher its Equation could defeat him.
the reason why Hulk won is because Bruce Banner was able to decipher the equation...over a uncountable amount of tries.
 
They did say that Life Equation had R>F transcendence and that Since Otoko Simon could go from fictional 2d to Real 3D on his own Simon could make the R>F jump into 1-A as well. (pretty wanked, but it's what they buy) .
TTGL could also scan dimensions higher than itself on a multiversal scale and pinpoint a single small rocky planet that was the source of Anti-Spiral's influence, so chances are Death Battle Simon likely could locate it as well if he got to jump into 1-A. Now, if he could get rid of Ultima or bypass it's regem/interact with something that complex i have no idea.
Also, unlike Kyle who also started at finite dimensionality Ultima will begin at 1-A and is not beyond using it's power against Simon to avoid him ever getting to this point, so imo Simon would at best get stunlocked here and be unable to evolve further for that to even matter.
 
Epiccheev said:
They did say that Life Equation had R>F transcendence and that Since Otoko Simon could go from fictional 2d to Real 3D on his own Simon could make the R>F jump into 1-A as well. (pretty wanked, but it's what they buy) .
TTGL could also scan dimensions higher than itself on a multiversal scale and pinpoint a single small rocky planet that was the source of Anti-Spiral's influence, so chances are Death Battle Simon likely could locate it as well if he got to jump into 1-A. Now, if he could get rid of Ultima or bypass it's regem/interact with something that complex i have no idea.
Also, unlike Kyle who also started at finite dimensionality Ultima will begin at 1-A and is not beyond using it's power against Simon to avoid him ever getting to this point, so imo he would at worst get stunlocked here.
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again, information=concepts.
 
Alexander said:
no, they pretty much stated that Kyle scales to his cosmology (in the black boxes)
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Which, according to them, they placed at 12.3-D. And that's not even completely right since they only scaled Kyle to the Godsphere and not to higher places like Limbo, the Monitor Sphere, or even The Source.
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
Which, according to them, they placed at 12.3-D. And that's not even completely right since they only scaled Kyle to the Godsphere and not to higher places like Limbo, the Monitor Sphere, or even The Source.
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no, they said that the interpretation in general makes the cosmology higher than Simon's (TTGL cosmology)so it means that they also accounted for the infinite-D thing.
meaning that yes, they both are Outer here regardless.
 
To be fair, even us who wanted Simon to win were pretty doom minded regarding his chances given how Kyle had the more spectacular looking stuff and how DB scales superheroes. I don't think that many expected Simon to stay true to his story and ahem "Do the impossible, see the invisible, touch the untouchable and break the unbreakable".
 
Actually a thought just crossed my mind: if Simon is actually Outerversal (which, for the sake of my sanity, I will say is where Death Battle placed Simon even though I still disagree), how does Simon handle hax like Mind Manipulation and Assimilation? Because in the Godzilla Singular Point Novelization, Godzilla's true form has this ability where it can essentially assimilate and control the actions of entities that are on the same level of existence as it, so I'm curious as to know if Simon could avoid being assimilated into Godzilla's true form.

Also I wish DB hadn't introduced R>F into its researching, it just opens a can of worms that should've never been opened to the masses.
 
TartaChocholate said:
To be fair, even us who wanted Simon to win were pretty doom minded regarding his chances given how Kyle had the more spectacular looking stuff and how DB scales superheroes. I don't think that many expected Simon to stay true to his story and ahem "Do the impossible, see the invisible, touch the untouchable and break the unbreakable".
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many did, with hope in their hearts and voting for Kyle...i voted for Simon since day 1
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
Actually a thought just crossed my mind: if Simon is actually Outerversal (which, for the sake of my sanity, I will say is where Death Battle placed Simon even though I still disagree), how does Simon handle hax like Mind Manipulation and Assimilation? Because in the Godzilla Singular Point Novelization, Godzilla's true form has this ability where it can essentially assimilate and control the actions of entities that are on the same level of existence as it, so I'm curious as to know if Simon could avoid being assimilated into Godzilla's true form.

Also I wish DB hadn't introduced R>F into its researching, it just opens a can of worms that should've never been opened to the masses.
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you got the Multiverse Laberynth has a example
 
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SpecterSkater said:
They also showed that they don't believe Maka's Hunts only work on evil. Just especially good against evil.
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Also I feel this is one of those cases where in the verdict it's something like:

Boomstick: "But Maka's techniques were like evil's kryptonite! Shouldn't that mean that they wouldn't put a dent in Ruby to begin with?"

Wiz: "Maka's various hunt techniques were exceptionally effective to evil beings, but still just as effective against other things as well. Despite having a 'simple soul' Ruby would still be taking a hit equal to-"

Or something similar to that.
 
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