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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

So now that the discussion's pretty much run its course, I started looking around at any other potential RWBY and Soul Eater matchups to see what's been thrown around and:

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Death Battle Predictions: Toga VS Toko VS Neo

“No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it’s only a question of degree.” -W.C Fields Himiko Toga, the League of Villains’ bloodthirsty schoolgirl from My Hero Academia. Toko Fukawa, Dangan…
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As much as I like having a 1v1v1, if DB ever did this I feel they only go with Toga vs Neo. Not necessarily a matchup I'm hyped for, but I can see the appeal even if there's like barely any banter potential at all. Toga would have to hard carry it unless they use Ever After Neo's Semblance that can speak for her. And even then Neo's never met Toga so it's not like she could do the 'make my clones look like your loved ones to psych you out' trick either.

Unfortunately it's a huge stomp.

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Kenjaku vs Medusa (Jujutsu Kaisen vs Soul Eater)

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Not a huge JJK fan but I can dig this. Morally reprehensible monsters slugging it out with some cool powers that would interact with each other. Medusa's powers would be infinitely easier to animate, so this would be a pretty good Sprite/2D one. Not to mention a small army fight with Kenjaku's summons vs Medusa's snakes and clowns. Seems like it mostly comes down to haxes and abilities rather than strictly straight up stats which I like as well.

There's no matchups for BlackStar or Death the Kid that I can see (BlackStar's profile had a discussion where he won against Zoro but I'm not really a fan of that matchup, Rock Lee's already has his matchup but I dig the dynamic) And Death the Kid... I got no idea.
 
Real talk, what MUs are good to have 1v1v1 or more? One obvious thing is it cant have long running franchises as the research on them is prolly unbelievably time consuming and tiresome
 
Only ones that immediately come to mind are ones like 'inter-group' battle royales. Something like Power Ranger (specific season) battle royales, One Piece Admiral battle royales, etc. That way you can cover the setting, power system and general scaling in a much faster and concise way within a single episode.
 
Tipper17 said:
Power and abilties def belongs to Naruto
Luffy would get highballed to planet to large planet given OP planet size but Naruto would have stronger arguments to get higher via kaguya
Speed:Luffy he'll take it but it boils down to how massive the gap between the two be to argue luffy dura negging Naruto
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to clarify, this isnt my own stance but id imagine death battle arguments boiling down to gear 5 shifting the battle and basically nullifying most of naruto's arsenal, in combination with his superior precog and dura negation he could damage naruto and the verdict being if naruto could outlast gear 5th and delivery the final blow, maybe mentioning how he resists transmutation with the TSB or something and how baryon mode could force luffy out of gear 5th faster because its effects are touch based.
 
SpecterSkater said:
So now that the discussion's pretty much run its course, I started looking around at any other potential RWBY and Soul Eater matchups to see what's been thrown around and:

g1-team.com

Death Battle Predictions: Toga VS Toko VS Neo

“No doubt exists that all women are crazy; it’s only a question of degree.” -W.C Fields Himiko Toga, the League of Villains’ bloodthirsty schoolgirl from My Hero Academia. Toko Fukawa, Dangan…
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As much as I like having a 1v1v1, if DB ever did this I feel they only go with Toga vs Neo. Not necessarily a matchup I'm hyped for, but I can see the appeal even if there's like barely any banter potential at all. Toga would have to hard carry it unless they use Ever After Neo's Semblance that can speak for her. And even then Neo's never met Toga so it's not like she could do the 'make my clones look like your loved ones to psych you out' trick either.

Unfortunately it's a huge stomp.
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Not at all, they simultaneously wanked the **** out of Toga while downplaying the hell out of Neo. Neo wins this matchup with minimal difficulty
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Not at all, they simultaneously wanked the **** out of Toga while downplaying the hell out of Neo. Neo wins this matchup with minimal difficulty
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Neo trying to harm Syo:
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WeeklyBattles said:
Not at all, they simultaneously wanked the **** out of Toga while downplaying the hell out of Neo. Neo wins this matchup with minimal difficulty
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How you claim to not be the same person, when you saying the same thing.
She have 0 ways to deal with Toga Twice army clones tho.
 
Fezzih_007 said:
How you claim to not be the same person, when you saying the same thing.
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Already explained it, i copy pasted that response from another person
Fezzih_007 said:
She have 0 ways to deal with Toga Twice army clones tho.
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She does though, the Twice clones get weaker and less durable the more clones she makes and Neo is much, much faster, she can just kill them faster than Toga can make them like Hawks did to Twice
 
Alternatively, if the horde gets too unmanageable Neo can just disguise herself as a Twice clone and disappear into the crowd to get close to Toga for a sneak attack, something she has done before in-character

Or just use a Penny clone to fly around out of range of the battlefield carpet bombing the army

Or just use her powers to create a massive fissure in the ground or a megastructure around the army to isolate them from Toga
 
WeeklyBattles said:
He is part Saiyan tho
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I'm aware. But he doesn't identify as a Saiyan, other people don't call him a Saiyan. And if you ask any casual DB fan what Cell was, they'd almost certainly reply 'Android'.

Or Perfect, but that's besides the point :V

I don't feel like Cell is out here claiming he's Saiyan like some guy claiming he's Native American just because he's 1/23rd part Cherokee.
 
SpecterSkater said:
I'm aware. But he doesn't identify as a Saiyan, other people don't call him a Saiyan. And if you ask any casual DB fan what Cell was, they'd almost certainly reply 'Android'.

Or Perfect, but that's besides the point :V

I don't feel like Cell is out here claiming he's Saiyan like some guy claiming he's Native American just because he's 1/23rd part Cherokee.
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Bro pulling an Elizabeth Warren 💀
 
SpecterSkater said:
And even then Neo's never met Toga so it's not like she could do the 'make my clones look like your loved ones to psych you out' trick either.
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Little bit of a yap but as a big advocate for Toga vs Neo, I think a good way to work in Neo attempting to psych out Toga is by having Toga briefly mention her feelings for Ochaco or her friendship with Twice before drinking their blood to transform. Then, later on in the battle, Neo could make a clone of them to get into her head or disguise herself as one of them and try a similar trick to the one she used on Ren to throw her off. I think a fun interaction could be Neo trying it disguised as Ochaco and Toga being completely undeterred since she'd be perfectly fine with stabbing her.
 
koopa3144 said:
Little bit of a yap but as a big advocate for Toga vs Neo, I think a good way to work in Neo attempting to psych out Toga is by having Toga briefly mention her feelings for Ochaco or her friendship with Twice before drinking their blood to transform. Then, later on in the battle, Neo could make a clone of them to get into her head or disguise herself as one of them and try a similar trick to the one she used on Ren to throw her off. I think a fun interaction could be Neo trying it disguised as Ochaco and Toga being completely undeterred since she'd be perfectly fine with stabbing her.
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It'd more likely be her just turning into Twice since Toga would be using Sad Man's Parade, because Toga would absolutely be upset about killing Twice
 
WeeklyBattles said:
It'd more likely be her just turning into Twice since Toga would be using Sad Man's Parade, because Toga would absolutely be upset about killing Twice
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A fine point, but I do have a rebuttal:

Toga knows he's dead, and I feel like she wouldn't take kindly to someone wearing his face to try and kill her.
 
SpecterSkater said:
A fine point, but I do have a rebuttal:

Toga knows he's dead, and I feel like she wouldn't take kindly to someone wearing his face to try and kill her.
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Fair point, either way it would cause her to snap, intentionally or otherwise, but that's exactly what Neo would want. She is at her best when her opponent is mentally unstable.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Fair point, either way it would cause her to snap, intentionally or otherwise, but that's exactly what Neo would want. She is at her best when her opponent is mentally unstable.
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This is true, but also by end of series it wasn't like Toga was hanging on by a single thread just waiting to snap. She wasn't walking around the final arc like Azula at the end of Avatar or anything. We're not exactly giving Toga the Scarlet Witch's (no longer really existent) mental instability here.

(Granted with how comic writers are maybe Wanda has it again, I dunno. I just know it wasn't a thing back when Wanda vs Zatanna came out :V)
 
koopa3144 said:
Little bit of a yap but as a big advocate for Toga vs Neo, I think a good way to work in Neo attempting to psych out Toga is by having Toga briefly mention her feelings for Ochaco or her friendship with Twice before drinking their blood to transform. Then, later on in the battle, Neo could make a clone of them to get into her head or disguise herself as one of them and try a similar trick to the one she used on Ren to throw her off. I think a fun interaction could be Neo trying it disguised as Ochaco and Toga being completely undeterred since she'd be perfectly fine with stabbing her.
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I could see that being written that way, but that's also not really how Toga goes about normally. It's not like she's fighting Mook #1 and then gushing about how much she wants to wear Ochaco's skin or anything. She usually saves to gushing for when she fights the person she's gushing about. But then again: characters have been written drastically more OoC than that before, so I honestly wouldn't be too chuffed about it.
 
BlackDarkness679 said:
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A contentious topic regarding Dragon Ball in powerscaling discussions is whether characters, in this case Cell, are universal or higher by the time of the Cell saga. Multiple claims from the manga and especially anime state such, with many people taking these at face value. But are they legit? Not exactly.



Let’s start off with the claims of “infinite” power or destroying “everything”. These two are the easiest to deal with due to their simplicity. Being described as having limitless power does not automatically make one a uni+ character. Infinite power could simply mean one is unimaginably powerful to the protagonists of the story, not literally being strong enough to destroy an infinitely sized universe. It doesn’t help that characters like Demon King Piccolo from the original Dragon Ball have been stated to possess infinite power, even though at that time, the strongest characters could only destroy the planet at the absolute best. As for destroying everything, a similar case holds true. Destroying “everything” could mean anywhere from the planet, the solar system, the universe, or the entire cosmology, depending on the context. They hold no weight on their own without additional claims/feats to back them up. These are one-off statements that exist to add tension to the story. To make matters worse, the two examples given are both stated by Cell himself. We know for a fact that Cell tends to glorify himself in order to feel perfect; that’s just his character. Him exaggerating his own strength is certainly something he would do.

Things get a bit trickier when we observe the claims of Elder Moori and Android 16. Both say blatantly that Cell can destroy the universe and aren’t the types of characters to overstate someone’s power. So does this mean that Cell is universal or higher thanks to the size of the DB’s universe 7? That isn’t necessarily the case here. Of course, one can buy this if they choose to, as these quotes are somewhat reasonable. But there is quite a bit of evidence suggesting that these claims aren’t accurate. For one, the characters could simply think that Cell is strong enough to destroy the universe over time. These quotes aren’t trustworthy enough to automatically say that Cell can destroy the universe in one blow. Another point is that even characters like Frieza in his third form have been stated to threaten the universe when they clearly haven’t shown that level of power ever. As mentioned before, characters saying someone can destroy the universe can just be one-off statements to heighten the threat of a villain. Couple that with the fact that Cell also hasn’t shown this level of power before, and it’s much easier to say that Elder Moori and Android 16’s statements exist to intensify Cell’s presence in the plot.

The final main topic for this section is regarding everybody’s favorite, Garlic Jr. Thanks to G1’s Bardock vs Omni-Man blog, it will be fairly easy to address how Garlic Jr. isn’t the reason why Perfect Cell is higher than universal. To summarize the blog’s points, while the Dead Zone may be described as a “hyperspace,” there is nothing else in the entire series that supports this fact. It resembles a small black hole more than anything. Though it should be worth pointing out that the Dead Zone being multi-solar system levels of power is valid for this blog. This information is consistent with Cell being able to destroy the solar system, which we know is concrete thanks to multiple sources backing it up, unlike every other statement listed above.

There is one last argument that can get Cell up to universal or higher, that being calc stacking. Thanks to form multipliers and power level differences, some people argue that characters can reach universal or higher stats by the time of the Cell saga. But even disregarding the fact that calc stacking tends to lead to bloated results, there is one argument that can apply to every universal or higher feat listed: They are all feats that shouldn't be accomplished until later in the series. SSJ3 Gotenks and Super Buu are able to exit the Hyperbolic Time Chamber by ripping apart the dimensional barrier with their screams. And several other universal or higher feats are demonstrated in the Buu saga. This level of power is far beyond anything before it from a plot perspective. Using statements or multipliers to justify that would go completely against the power scaling given by the narrative.

TLDR: Every universal or beyond feat that Cell has is too unreliable for him to scale to, thanks to no additional feats to back up their claims, exaggerations, only existing to add to his presence in the story, and/or being a feat that should be beyond what he is capable of during that point in the story. However, it is reasonable to argue for multi-solar system levels of strength at his best.
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Their words, not mine. 😪
 
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