DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[SpecterSkater]

https://www.reddit.com/r/deathbattle/s/RXyEo5XNHK

Been seeing this poster's thesis-length breakdowns and honestly they put the discussion better than I possibly could.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

https://www.reddit.com/r/deathbattle/s/RXyEo5XNHK

Ah yes, another person who has blatantly never read Soul Eater

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Yknow, im just realizing the irony in the scaling arguments people are making here, specifically people arguing that Maka potentially giving Crona a nosebleed means she fully scales to them while also arguing that Ruby doesnt scale to cutting off Cinder's arm.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

One thing to punch someone and injure them, another to slice someone with a weapon, unless there are instances others trying to slice failed to do so, thats a false equivalence

You visibly harm a character you scale to them, unless its inconsistent

 

[SpecterSkater]

One thing to punch someone and injure them, another to slice someone with a weapon, unless there are instances others trying to slice failed to do so, thats a false equivalence

You visibly harm a character you scale to them, unless its inconsistent

There's also the fact that "Harming someone through their internal armor that has been shown to shrug off damage from Death Scythe level characters in the past" does not mean the same as "Cutting the arm off of a character that canonically does not have the magic soul armor on it". One is damaging through massive defenses and the other is cutting off something with no defense.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

One thing to punch someone and injure them, another to slice someone with a weapon, unless there are instances others trying to slice failed to do so, thats a false equivalence

There are yes. Cinder was able to physically overpower and restrain Raven with said arm

You visibly harm a character you scale to them, unless its inconsistent

So you agree that Maka would not scale to Crona, because there is not a single instance of her harming Crona at any point in the series outside of when she was wielding Spirit

 

[WeeklyBattles]

There's also the fact that "Harming someone through their internal armor that has been shown to shrug off damage from Death Scythe level characters in the past"

Maka did not do this. At all. She does not have a single instance of harming Crona without the use of Spirit.

does not mean the same as "Cutting the arm off of a character that canonically does not have the magic soul armor on it". One is damaging through massive defenses and the other is cutting off something with no defense.

'does not have the magic soul armor on it' does not mean 'less durable'. Cinder's arm is the same durability as the rest of her body. Meanwhile Maka needed an amp from Spirit in order to get through Crona's defenses.

 

[SpecterSkater]

Honestly the real question for this fight is where is it even going to take place? An easy cop-out for the animators would be something like the empty snowfield like in the Red trailer, but maybe we'll get a fight in the city before bringing it there.

Can't think of what the inciting incident for this would be either. It'd be kinda lame if the fight just starts with them already going at it like Weiss/Mitsuru and Maka interrupting Ruby's Grimm hunt doesn't really make as much sense seeing as how Grimm are soulless beings. Though it's gonna be hard to be more confusing than Blake vs Mikasa because apparently Blake is just... in AoT's universe now? And instead of trying to find her way home is just reading a book while Titans are about?

 

[NotoriouSoda]

Remember this lmaooo

 

[PonePoster]

Remember this lmaooo

I remember the G1 blog having all votes on Hulk lol. What da hell happened on the research for this ep

 

[PonePoster]

I'm gonna be real: travel speed = combat speed but combat speed /= travel speed. If a guy's muscles move that fast when running or moving somewhere, there's no reason they wouldn't be that fast punching or kicking. If they're traveling somewhere with accuracy clearly they can react to stuff at that speed. Authors just never apply combat speed to how fast a person can actually move to travel speed because getting to places and not being able to in time is an easy obstacle in a lot of stories

 

[BlackDarkness679]

There are yes. Cinder was able to physically overpower and restrain Raven with said arm

Thats not at all remotely close to what i said, unless this Cinder shown to be tanking failed attempts of slicing her thats not remotely close to a punch to draw blood

Like how Zangief in Street Fighter shown that his skin cant be cut by sharp weapons like a sword, if there was a character that manages to succeed cutting him, thats more impressive vs what you are suggesting, things like bullets or swords harming characters are common stuff

So you agree that Maka would not scale to Crona, because there is not a single instance of her harming Crona at any point in the series outside of when she was wielding Spirit

I dont agree with anything you suggest, i said i was gonna be neutral about it, but you really dont give me and others any reasons to believe in your stuff, many people off site call you out on many things you say as well, you literally tell any person not agreeing your points they didnt read or know their stuff

I know when someone clearly didnt read or researched something, since i dealt with these situations off site and here regarding verses familiar with, you tell even those with scans like the dude from reddit the same or specter, why should I believe you

 

[BlackDarkness679]

I'm gonna be real: travel speed = combat speed but combat speed /= travel speed. If a guy's muscles move that fast when running or moving somewhere, there's no reason they wouldn't be that fast punching or kicking. If they're traveling somewhere with accuracy clearly they can react to stuff at that speed. Authors just never apply combat speed to how fast a person can actually move to travel speed because getting to places and not being able to in time is an easy obstacle in a lot of stories

Usain bolt cant strike as fast as he runs or anyone for that matter, otherwise in sports like football or anything involving kicks means you deliver attacks of that caliber

 

[Tipper17]

Remember this lmaooo

Pretty accurate ngl

Hulk went to the gym,drank some orange juice and gotten stronger
Simple

I remember the G1 blog having all votes on Hulk lol. What da hell happened on the research for this ep

Ya forget back then heralds stats was all over the place lol especially with DB

you literally tell any person not agreeing your points they didnt read or know their stuff

ATP it just lying for the sake of it considering multiple folks who have read soul eater have Maka winning even on sites like SB that downplays alot

 

[SpecterSkater]

I'm gonna be real: travel speed = combat speed but combat speed /= travel speed. If a guy's muscles move that fast when running or moving somewhere, there's no reason they wouldn't be that fast punching or kicking. If they're traveling somewhere with accuracy clearly they can react to stuff at that speed. Authors just never apply combat speed to how fast a person can actually move to travel speed because getting to places and not being able to in time is an easy obstacle in a lot of stories

Yeah this is honestly one of the biggest hurdles considering speed in a vs debating sense. Early DB was guilty of conflating "Combat = Travel" speed and it's honestly still misconstrued even to this day. If Jotaro's Star Platinum is FTL, why didn't he simply fly holding Jotaro instead of taking that long-ass plane ride, or ever take a car? If you think about it for even more than a second, you'd need to have reaction speeds equal to your travel speed or else you just run in a straight line until you hit a wall or something else without seeing how you got there.

(Though honestly, I'd kinda love to see a character whose reaction speed /= their travel speed at first and they have to learn to adjust after bumping into things while they use their power.)

 

[Tots_Real]

I'm gonna be real: travel speed = combat speed but combat speed /= travel speed. If a guy's muscles move that fast when running or moving somewhere, there's no reason they wouldn't be that fast punching or kicking. If they're traveling somewhere with accuracy clearly they can react to stuff at that speed. Authors just never apply combat speed to how fast a person can actually move to travel speed because getting to places and not being able to in time is an easy obstacle in a lot of stories

Eh, it depends on if the way of travel speed is directly connected to how they fight. Like yes if fast man moves fast with his legs and then uses them also to fight that would make sense, if he instead uses like a gun, no. It depends on the context.

 

[Tipper17]

 

[StarShooter80]

Remember this lmaooo

How do they compare now with Post-PHD Hulk and Post-Edit SSJ3 Goku?

 

[Fezzih_007]

Ah yes, another person who has blatantly never read Soul Eater

I don't doubt you read Soul Eater, I just know you really sturborn on your beliefs. I just don't understand why the insistance is so strong.

Like, this.

Crona slash Maka with two swords and she blocks, but you saying that din't happen, Crona actually trow her. Really? Crona trows Maka using her swords? There's a "clang" onomatopoeia to boot.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Yeah this is honestly one of the biggest hurdles considering speed in a vs debating sense. Early DB was guilty of conflating "Combat = Travel" speed and it's honestly still misconstrued even to this day. If Jotaro's Star Platinum is FTL, why didn't he simply fly holding Jotaro instead of taking that long-ass plane ride, or ever take a car?

Stands in the series have a range problem, most at least which doesnt allow them to go too far, with exceptions that dont require the user awareness and are weaker in comparison physically vs those who are powerhouses

Also its made clear jojo is fast in combat or reacting to possible dangers, but not travel speed, only example with good travel speed is RHCP, but thats via going through electric mediums rather then moving by itseld alone

 

[BlackDarkness679]

How do they compare now with Post-PHD Hulk and Post-Edit SSJ3 Goku?

SSJ3 Goku: Fight me Hulk!

Hulk: No infinite dimensions and limitless power?

 

[SeijiSetto]

I legit dropped almost $200 in research material for this matchup, bought the japanese-only guidebook, spent months reading all available soul eater material, and am making arguments based on the information i found, so people just dismissing my arguments as 'oh weekly youre so dumb, of course Ruby dies why are you even arguing this' gets old very, very fast.

you can read japanese?
or how are you reading the guidebook then

 

[Tipper17]

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

 

[TMaakkonen]

There were like 3+ feats mentioned in HulkGoji that didnt happen at the time of HulkBroly :V

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

I dig this MU

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

How do they compare now with Post-PHD Hulk and Post-Edit SSJ3 Goku?

I hope I’m not too late

 

[NotoriouSoda]

I hope I’m not too late

To set my demons straight

 

[Da3ggman]

Ah yes, another person who has blatantly never read Soul Eater

Please, write an argument about why it’s wrong. From my, and everyone else’s perspective, he just shat all over every possible argument you or anyone else could’ve given for Maka not scaling to top tiers. Hell, they go on to debunk pro Maka arguments too, so it’s obvious they aren’t just *********** her to the max.

You can’t just say “oh he didn’t read the series lol” when he goes in depth scans and explanations, providing exact chapters for when shit happens. Kinda seems hard to do for someone who hasn’t read the series, huh? So go ahead, pick it up. Write why they’re wrong and you’re right, because you can’t just drop paragraphs of scans anymore; you gotta debate.

Edit: Nevermind, you already blocked him lmao.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Nevermind, you already blocked him lmao.

And you want people to listen to you weekly? You just shoot yourself in the leg, nobody does anything to you, thats all you, as you do it to yourself

 

[Tipper17]

I said it before if you want to get mad at anyone get mad at RWBY having dog shit writers they got peeps thinking RWBY cast gotten weaker than stronger.

Get mad at them for focusing on a side character like Jaune more than the MAIN CHARACTER HERSELF


Get mad over the fact for 13 YEARS RWBY been going on and the good feats that had happened to the series only scales to the GOD Brother themselves.

Seriously it took other less time for other series to get good shit, sure authors ain't vs nerds but at some point ya gonna have to deliver on the feats and we'll RWBY haven't in years

 

[Theglassman12]

@Tipper17 It doesn’t help that the fight choreography isn’t the best in RWBY and while some fights are good, others aren’t at all to where you have Weiss standing still getting shot in a wide area while she’s doing a prep time move and gets her aura broken as a result.

Hell the Netflix Castlevania team managed to make so many of the fights well animated and has such great choreography you can make a solid argument almost everyone in the series is very skilled in combat akin to how Jojo characters are combat smart with all of the unique ways they use their weapons and magic.

 

[EmbalmerMaster9000]

Ah yes, another person who has blatantly never read Soul Eater

If RWBY was 8-C, I would 100% put Ruby Rose up against John Fartattack():

In that thread, I will describe in great detail how a point blank poonami from John Fartattack (

)will fill up your her eye sockets/mouth due to being unavoidable in melee range. Because of this, the various gut bacteria from John Fartattack(

)'s GI track will take crawl in her eye sockets and upper digestive track where they shouldn't be, wreaking havoc on her internally. This will blind her and make her struggle to even breathe. Ruby Rose will be left crippled by gut bacteria and traumatized by a single cabbage-powered special ability from John Fartattack (

). This a fight that she wouldn't lose due to being physically bested, but a fight they would willingly throw out of shame and disgust. Not a single poop hammer strike nor' blowout from John Fartattack(

) would be needed for him to win. You are very fortunate John Fartattack(

) is not 8-B.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Whew y'all didnt hold back

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Man I've been playing Resident Evil 7 and 8 for the last few days (seriously great games, FYI), and we're still talking about Ruby vs Maka? Well more accurately it's Weekly but still, this isn't an episode that warrants much discussion when we all know the results of it.

Get mad at them for focusing on a side character like Jaune more than the MAIN CHARACTER HERSELF

It really is a double edged sword because, on the one hand: Jaune's development from Volume 1 to 9 is genuinely pretty satisfying to see, him going from an insecure and untrained Huntsman to becoming the capable and effective leader he is now is actually pretty cool in my eyes. But on the other hand: it came at the cost of neglecting the development of the central protagonist of the entire show, i.e. Ruby.

 

[Theglassman12]

@The_Unknown_Warrior1 All the more reason why you need to give everyone equal screen time and development. Jaune should not have overtaken the spotlight. If they wanted the other side characters to be fleshed out, they could’ve done an FMA where everyone had equal screen time and development and a purpose. I genuinely can’t think of a single character in FMA that was useless or didn’t contribute, where with RWBY the amount of characters that amount to nothing is insane.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

you can read japanese?
or how are you reading the guidebook then

Taking scans and having them translated

 

[Tipper17]

really is a double edged sword because, on the one hand: Jaune's development from Volume 1 to 9 is genuinely pretty satisfying to see, him going from an insecure and untrained Huntsman to becoming the capable and effective leader he is now is actually pretty cool in my eyes. But on the other hand: it came at the cost of neglecting the development of the central protagonist of the entire show, i.e. Ruby.

I get that but that type of development makes more sense for Ruby in the grand scheme of the story

If ya wanted to make Jaune a MC do it for his own side of things not at the cost of the MC herself

@The_Unknown_Warrior1 All the more reason why you need to give everyone equal screen time and development. Jaune should not have overtaken the spotlight. If they wanted the other side characters to be fleshed out, they could’ve done an FMA where everyone had equal screen time and development and a purpose. I genuinely can’t think of a single character in FMA that was useless or didn’t contribute, where with RWBY the amount of characters that amount to nothing is insane.

It happens when you have mediocre writer in charge instead decent ones instead


I ain't gonna flex myself as some god tier writer I'm average as the next guy but you got a know who to focus on primarily for ya story

 

[WeeklyBattles]

And you want people to listen to you weekly? You just shoot yourself in the leg, nobody does anything to you, thats all you, as you do it to yourself

I do yes. Im not going to debate with people who devolve into insults when they cant counter what i say

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I said it before if you want to get mad at anyone get mad at RWBY having dog shit writers they got peeps thinking RWBY cast gotten weaker than stronger.

Get mad at them for focusing on a side character like Jaune more than the MAIN CHARACTER HERSELF


Get mad over the fact for 13 YEARS RWBY been going on and the good feats that had happened to the series only scales to the GOD Brother themselves.

Seriously it took other less time for other series to get good shit, sure authors ain't vs nerds but at some point ya gonna have to deliver on the feats and we'll RWBY haven't in years

Low 7-B for the current main cast isnt bad, not great but its better than some verses