DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Asura fans were like “Erm I wanted Asura to win”

 

[Tipper17]

Can someone tell me why Kratos vs Asura was bad (I haven’t watched it…)

The fight is just Kratos stomping Asura back into the ground over and over again with terrible graphics
The writing for both characters is terrible,More importantly though the fight is just not good. The majority of it can be summed up as, Asura throws a few punches, Kratos no sells it, Kratos hits back, Asura transforms, repeat. Even in his most powerful state Asura is just not allowed to have any moment to shine making the whole thing feel like the Kratos show. Add that with the amount of genuinely bad animated moments, the models feeling weightless, Sometimes the fists don't even connect and a cameo by an actual pink screen that was left in the battle, and the whole thing is a gigantic mess

 

[CBslayeR]

The fight is just Kratos stomping Asura back into the ground over and over again with terrible graphics
The writing for both characters is terrible,More importantly though the fight is just not good. The majority of it can be summed up as, Asura throws a few punches, Kratos no sells it, Kratos hits back, Asura transforms, repeat. Even in his most powerful state Asura is just not allowed to have any moment to shine making the whole thing feel like the Kratos show. Add that with the amount of genuinely bad animated moments, the models feeling weightless, Sometimes the fists don't even connect and a cameo by an actual pink screen that was left in the battle, and the whole thing is a gigantic mess

Also the pity alternate ending and random "PLEASE MAKE ASURA'S WRATH 2 WE LOVE ASURA'S WRATH!!!!" failing to realize that not only did they mischaracterize Asura horrifically but his story is ******* over

 

[Tipper17]

Also the pity alternate ending and random "PLEASE MAKE ASURA'S WRATH 2 WE LOVE ASURA'S WRATH!!!!" failing to realize that not only did they mischaracterize Asura horrifically but his story is ******* over

Ya can tell it was them doing this because how badly they ****** up on his side of things

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Kyle Rayner boutta get his first animated reappearance in like two decades and he boutta be reduced to just being Jessica Cruz's high school crush in that upcoming My Adventures with Green Lantern show, I can't have shit in this house

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

I thought Kratos lifting Asura's fist was pretty cool.

 

[Tipper17]

Kyle Rayner boutta get his first animated reappearance in like two decades and he boutta be reduced to just being Jessica Cruz's high school crush in that upcoming My Adventures with Green Lantern show, I can't have shit in this house

We don't know his role yet other than that he may be a Green lantern in it still

Also

 

[Tipper17]

God that episode hurts my soul. It had everything going for it to be an amazing episode and it ******* face planted.

At least we got the true version

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

We don't know his role yet other than that he may be a Green lantern in it still

Idk man it's pretty clear Jess is the main focus and that Kyle is primarily just a love interest.

 

[Tipper17]

Idk man it's pretty clear Jess is the main focus and that Kyle is primarily just a love interest.

I guess sadly but gotta see some promos of this whether to declare dead on arrival

 

[NotoriouSoda]

At least we got the true version

God’s such a better fight, than the death battle version

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Is Rick VS the Doctor the most downplayed a combatant has ever gotten?

 

[Loh67867]

Is Rick VS the Doctor the most that DB has ever downplayed a character?

Is Rick VS the Doctor the most downplayed a combatant has ever gotten?

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Is Rick VS the Doctor the most downplay they've ever done to a character?

/s

 

[TMaakkonen]

Unironically, since Doctor's thing is risk of dying while regenerating into a new Doctor, how has he "died" to cause a regeneration thingie?

 

[TsukasayaEmmaDCD]

Absorbed too much radiation.

Taking in the heart of the tardius. (Caused every cell of their body to die)
Daleks extermination beam

 

[TMaakkonen]

Despite Doctor's obvious AP gap, I do wonder how many of Doctor's deaths Rick could replicate. If they have similar speeds, it would technically not be as stompy if Rick can still kill Doctor. VS talks about RickDoctor usually go "Doctor's strongest weps go unga bunga" but I feel like there might be some nuance surprisingly.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

...As in the Doctor's AP gap from Rick, right? Also it doesn't matter because literally the only thing Rick needs to do is interrupt his Regeneration WHEN he kills the Doctor.

 

[Joycap]

Who the are those people?

Egil (XC1) vs Carol Malus Dienheim (Symphogear GX).​

• Both were ordinary citizens of 'other' designated cultures in their worlds (The Machina and Alchemists respectively) before calamity struck (Zanza's attack on Mechonis, and the burning of Carol/Elfnein's father Izak suspected of blaspheming via creation of 'Miracles' and burned at the steak). Both then became revenge-sworn to destroy those same opposing worlds (in Egil's case, the Bionis, for the lives taken from his people, and for Zanza possessing Arglas, while Carol just straight up wanted the world 'dissected' and destroyed).
• Both lead armies of their creations (modified or otherwise) into battle alongside themselves, with Egil having the ability to construct Mechon at will (although for the Faces, that is left to his sister Vanea, who, to quote Miqol 'doesn't want to hurt Egil, but doesn't like what he's doing'), and Carol, as an Alchemist, having access to Alca-Noise (a form of Noise able to basically cleave Gear armour apart), as well as the Autoscorers (similar to how Egil sees use for the Faces even after Shulk receives Monado II) and Homunculi.
• As touched upon above, Vanea and Elfnein were also previously assistants for both (Vanea escorting the party up the Mechonis, creating Face Nemesis (Fiora's revived body) to eventually backstab Egil, and rejecting her 'right to exist' after the revelation that Egil was dead set in his ways in Agniritha, and Elfnein being 'another one of Carol's bodies', that ran off at the beginning of GX, but eventually helps S.O.N.G with the construction of counters to Alca-Noise's anti-gear tech). It's worth noting that Elfnein in AXZ taking steps to 'revive' Carol using fragments of her memories after the donation of Carol's body to Elfnein due to her condition at the time could be considered a 'similar contrast' of a sort, in that it's a neat what-if Egil was an Avatar recreated in Origin in 3 (he isn't, but that brings us on to...).
• Returning to Egil and Carol, both end up taking a 'last stand' vs the God-tiers of their universe, with Egil having 'waited for the day' he could confront Zanza and attempt to cut him down, eventually giving his blessings to Shulk and Mayneth to break the curse of Zanza, and Carol coming back in Elfnein's body in time to confront Shem-Ha and buy time, even helping all the Symphogears with the ultimate Swan Song (/Superb Song, whichever term you prefer to use) vs her.

 

[Joycap]

Pokemon fans when asked what actual feats true form Arceus has that aren't creation based.

Was Cyrus's attempt on Space/Time with Dialga/Palkia not a destruction and recreation feat, just for reference?

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Also the pity alternate ending and random "PLEASE MAKE ASURA'S WRATH 2 WE LOVE ASURA'S WRATH!!!!" failing to realize that not only did they mischaracterize Asura horrifically but his story is ******* over

It's funny (in a very messed up way) that Asura's daughter has ended up as "standard equipment" in Vs debates across the community.

God’s such a better fight, than the death battle version

2D/sprite supremacy.

 

[Doggo]

It is, and I'm not the biggest fan of composites unless both opponents are, but it's kinda whatever at this point. Either he takes the composite or he gets slammed because Ultima is quitely honestly his only wincon outside of crossovers.

It would be better if they more about 54, how he was the son of the atomic bomb, the representation of man's folly, before leading to Dr.Serizawa's sacrifice, who chose death over letting the oxygen destroyer be used by man. Then they say, "That's not the end of Godzilla's story," as they briefly gloss over the stories of noteworthy Zillas. Like Showa the hero, MV/Hesei the anti-hero, Earth being the planet's response to mankind, Shin being man's abomination, and GMK being Japan's sins, before saying they all share the same power, the atomic breath. Then everything afterwards stays the same ig. I feel like they glossed over 54 too quickly, and they don't even mention what makes the other Zillas different.

Well, to Death Battle, despite the variety, Godzilla is somewhat consistent, like Wiz mentioned.

I agree with that, as all Godzilla incarnations share some basic hexes. The major differences between Godzilla incarnations are mostly marked on their tiers, TBH…

No lol. Many Zillas vary drastically in story. GMK is a hateful reanimated corpse, Showa is a shonen protag, Heisei/MV are anti-heroes, Shin/Og are tragic
mutated beasts, and Earth is a plant. Finally, Ultima is well...Ultima.

The difference is way more than power tiers, as they vary in morality, themes, and nature.

Honestly, I'm just sitting here hoping that whenever they do a Baki match, it'll be Bane vs Jack.

Kingpin vs Hanayama is alos great for another Baki vs Comic fight lol

Do I smell an opportunity to push the agenda for my most wanted Freddy Fazbear vs Frankenstein’s monster?

That is a good one lol. I slightly prefer comp Freddy vs comp Chuck E Cheese, but this one works better for og Freddy.

I honestly just want Dragon Ball to get a win for once. For the last decade they've always just given the DB character losses or wins that make them look weak.

Imagine my horror, realizing Ultraman Zero stomps Gohan now. Maybe we should feed Sukuna to DK Piccolo....

 

[Doggo]

What army fights do you guys want to see? I want to see Bloons VS PvZ Zombies, personally.

Zeke vs Liquid Snake
Galactic Empire vs Imperium of Man
Megatron vs Vilgax
Friend vs Big Brother
Lelouch vs Char Aznable
Sauron vs Ganondorf
Crazy Dave vs the Clash Royale king
King Pig vs Dr Zomboss
Thrawn vs Picard in a fleet battle
Eren vs Ken technically counts


....army figths might be my favorite MU type aside from intelligence-based MUs

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

No lol. Many Zillas vary drastically in story. GMK is a hateful reanimated corpse, Showa is a shonen protag, Heisei/MV are anti-heroes, Shin/Og are tragic
mutated beasts, and Earth is a plant. Finally, Ultima is well...Ultima.

The difference is way more than power tiers, as they vary in morality, themes, and nature.

Yeah, of course their stories and themes vary a lot, but I'm mostly talking from a powerscaling point of view, like how similar their hacks are.

 

[Doggo]

Yeah, of course their stories and themes vary a lot, but I'm mostly talking from a powerscaling point of view, like how similar their hacks are.

Story and character matter more to me; that's why the comp feel of the analysis feels off to me. They could've made it flow better rather than talking as if they were all the same guy.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Story and character matter more to me; that's why the comp feel of the analysis feels off to me. They could've made it flow better rather than talking as if they were all the same guy.

Yeah, I agree. It is like if Death Battle combined all the 27 Godzillas they mentioned into a single being.

 

[TMaakkonen]

You didnt complain about composites enough before, reap what you sow.

I just pretend Ultima can use his hax to replicate Composite Godzilla's hax. He is a reality warper so shrug.

 

[TsukasayaEmmaDCD]

Imagine my horror, realizing Ultraman Zero stomps Gohan now. Maybe we should feed Sukuna to DK Piccolo....

It was always a zero win due to his hax... now he has the ap adventage to

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

You didnt complain about composites enough before, reap what you sow.

I just pretend Ultima can use his hax to replicate Composite Godzilla's hax. He is a reality warper so shrug.

I never cared about Death Battle's Composite Godzilla and Kiryu. Like I said, most of their versions are quite similar except for maybe one or the other minor power or ability. Now that I remember, many Godzillas share continuities, so it isn't a big deal.

 

[Doggo]

You didnt complain about composites enough before, reap what you sow.

I just pretend Ultima can use his hax to replicate Composite Godzilla's hax. He is a reality warper so shrug.

Touche. Might as well call it Godzilla Ultima vs Hulk at this point lol. I hope they have Ultima changing to different Zillas, notably Shin and 54 lol.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Touche. Might as well call it Godzilla Ultima vs Hulk at this point lol. I hope they have Ultima changing to different Zillas, notably Shin and 54 lol.

Maybe the other Godzillas could appear in the episode as "Avatars of Ultima".

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

It would be better if they more about 54, how he was the son of the atomic bomb, the representation of man's folly, before leading to Dr.Serizawa's sacrifice, who chose death over letting the oxygen destroyer be used by man. Then they say, "That's not the end of Godzilla's story," as they briefly gloss over the stories of noteworthy Zillas. Like Showa the hero, MV/Hesei the anti-hero, Earth being the planet's response to mankind, Shin being man's abomination, and GMK being Japan's sins, before saying they all share the same power, the atomic breath. Then everything afterwards stays the same ig. I feel like they glossed over 54 too quickly, and they don't even mention what makes the other Zillas different.

No lol. Many Zillas vary drastically in story. GMK is a hateful reanimated corpse, Showa is a shonen protag, Heisei/MV are anti-heroes, Shin/Og are tragic
mutated beasts, and Earth is a plant. Finally, Ultima is well...Ultima.

The difference is way more than power tiers, as they vary in morality, themes, and nature.

Kingpin vs Hanayama is alos great for another Baki vs Comic fight lol

That is a good one lol. I slightly prefer comp Freddy vs comp Chuck E Cheese, but this one works better for og Freddy.


Imagine my horror, realizing Ultraman Zero stomps Gohan now. Maybe we should feed Sukuna to DK Piccolo....

Zero gets that high via hypertimeline standard stuff. It's nothing Gohan can't get to either with DoSL and hypertimeline.

Like the can of worms that needs to be opened for a Zero W also more or less gets Gohan there too.

I personally still think its a Gohan W, but after Omnidock I'm not eager for Dragon Ball to be back on the show anytime soon.

 

[TMaakkonen]

Touche. Might as well call it Godzilla Ultima vs Hulk at this point lol. I hope they have Ultima changing to different Zillas, notably Shin and 54 lol.

If this was S2 styled DB, I imagine a scene where Hulk is in hell punching through all variants of Godzillas as Godzilla's theme is playing, until he finally reaches avatar that looks like Ultima.

Red Mist creates creatures, so technically why couldnt there be multiple avatars that just happens to look like other Gojis?

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

If this was S2 styled DB, I imagine a scene where Hulk is in hell punching through all variants of Godzillas as Godzilla's theme is playing, until he finally reaches avatar that looks like Ultima.

Red Mist creates creatures, so technically why couldnt there be multiple avatars that just happens to look like other Gojis?

The true appearance of IT is unknown, but definitely it isn't a "Multiverse-sized Godzilla Ultima".

 

[TMaakkonen]

The true appearance of IT is unknown, but definitely it isn't a "Multiverse-sized Godzilla Ultima".

I meant that Hulk loses to an avatar, my bad :^)

...Yeah since IT has no images, good luck trying to portray that.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

I meant that Hulk loses to an avatar, my bad :^)

...Yeah since IT has no images, good luck trying to portray that.

Knowing Death Battle, they will probably show a “Universe-to-Multiverse-sized Godzilla Ultima” as its real form, which is not accurate.

 

[Arceus0x]

Knowing Death Battle, they will probably show a “Universe-to-Multiverse-sized Godzilla Ultima” as its real form, which is not accurate.

Well it's not not accurate either. We don't know what IT looks like and we can't imagine it. The fact that IT is 1-A on an existential level, as in it has BDE3, it has literally no measure and no body that we can imagine. Even back when IT was 1-B it was already incomprehensible since we can't imagine what it would looks like in countless dimensions. Considering Godzilla is consistently the body used by IT (it made the first godzilla body which got hit with the Oxygen Destroyer and then made another similar to it) whilst something like SHIVA isn't really a body but an SP encased in archetype molecules, it is safe to say that Godzilla is what IT imagines itself to be in lower reality. Kinda how you can make a character that looks like yourself in a 2D game.

 

[Tipper17]

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Well it's not not accurate either. We don't know what IT looks like and we can't imagine it. The fact that IT is 1-A on an existential level, as in it has BDE3, it has literally no measure and no body that we can imagine. Even back when IT was 1-B it was already incomprehensible since we can't imagine what it would looks like in countless dimensions. Considering Godzilla is consistently the body used by IT (it made the first godzilla body which got hit with the Oxygen Destroyer and then made another similar to it) whilst something like SHIVA isn't really a body but an SP encased in archetype molecules, it is safe to say that Godzilla is what IT imagines itself to be in lower reality. Kinda how you can make a character that looks like yourself in a 2D game.

Yeah, that's what I said…

The true appearance of IT is unknown, but definitely it isn't a "Multiverse-sized Godzilla Ultima".

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

I like the Miku doll on his desktop. lol