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We should avoid extensive fandom bashing in the future, that is all.
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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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Excellence616
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"Draw your own conclusion" but without any personal conclusion, it still says something about the power not being Toba but was just Toba using Hulk's body.
It might be just one scan but you need to read Immortal hulk to understand.
It like watching one episode of an anime and expect to know everything else.
Oh, that scene in DB.
They thought removing his head will kill him when he has grow his head, time and again.
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But thing is to kratos i never heard liam or any one else who voiced their opinion on their fight say that uni kratos was bunk or something unlike Dante, let alone liam also buying G1 bullshit even when they admitted it was garbage later
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Its really amazing how people buy something so easily and spread it as fact, especially godzilla glazers on hulk
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Beyond New 52 Flash being his only Prime Earth material, Brian Bucellato hasn't written any works regarding or related to mainline Superman, so his statement being usable is fairly dubious.
Secondly, the actual feats and anti-feats in the book itself would suggest these guys are like Tier 7/6 at best, and definitely nowhere near their mainline counterparts in power.
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Agree.
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Tf is a super moderator lol
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Wow you're right it's actually worse than I thought.
Hulk doesn't even win if he gets TOBA, because, having read Immortal Hulk, nothing he does before his transformation into the next creation matters. We don't see him DO ANYTHING, nothing that isn't already covered by Fractured Son and past cosmic feats of strength. The one thing it does, killing the sentience of the universe, it does only after having been baptized in "the energies of creation," It then proceeds to kill the sentience like this-
So what do we learn from this?
This is not standard for Hulk, and if it is something that he can achieve, it's only after eons. Godzilla is not going to give him that much time, especially with the catastrophe collapsing reality around Hulk. Not to mention the implication that him killing Franklin and Galactus was done in a similar manner to how he killed The Sentience means even those feats are likely unapplicable to standard Hulk (hardly matters since Hulk still scales to Thor, who did kill Galactus the good old fashioned way.)
The TOBA form that matters comes about after absorbing The Sentience....which is not happening in a 1v1 style Death Battle.
Now if you wanna say that Hulk can try to pull this off with Godzilla's avatar or IT and try to absorb them, be my guest.
@Arceus0x If Hulk could somehow destroy the Omega Point, would that make Godzilla inert? In the upgrade thread it was brought up that Godzilla may not have really died so much as went away.
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Still didn't get a power-up from that, he needs to fuse with the guy to get the power-up, being baptized means that he has been chosen as the only survivor
Obviously it's not standard, he would have to let go every restrain he puts on himself to do that, something that he threaten to do while under the hypnosis of Xenmu
Grabbing and tearing them apart
Nope, that is not the time he needs to reach that level, that's the time that passed until all life was extinguished
That may give extra hax, but Hulk still has that strength even before, everyone in the Multiverse is dead and it's probably Hulk's fault for all of them and with the scaling from Thor he is at bare minimum at the level of the Elder Gods, who are above Eternity, this without counting Hulk eating the sentience of the cosmo
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The Sentience of the Universe only shows up at the end of time, which is eons in the future. Call it what you want, it still took that long for Hulk to be near the power-source that allows him to attain that power. You're being disingenuous too, since after absorbing it TOBA is traveling across creation Galactus size ******* shit up. It's not just a hax, it was an all-around upgrade, much like Galan of Taa turning into Galactus. Plus the author said it himself, TOBA is harboring Hulk's immortal and adaptive form. Billions of years, eons till the end of time, and you think Hulk was just that powerful from frame one? No, the implication is that this was a compounding issue. Not to mention Hulk's literal power is getting stronger the angrier he gets, a process that takes time.
So yeah, he's not whipping out TOBA powers, and certainly not after his ascension. Because at the end of the day, time is not on Hulk's side.
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Yes, but that is not the time he uses to power-up, it's the time he has to wait before the guy appears
If Hulk is stronger than Galactus and then obtains the same power of Galactus it is not a strength power-up, he gained more hax
Yes, the power is the same, he already fought characters as strong as Franklin or above, like Thor who is on par with Those Who Sit Above the Shadows (Elder Gods who livel Outside of Eternity), the adaptive powers of Hulk rely on his ability to gain powers and resistances through rage, like him not needing to breath or hin shrugging off the Pactum Aethernum, mind control, ecc... Hulk's adaptive powers are immediate as he only needs to be angry, but his adaptation does not make him stronger physically. Hulk can reach that level of power when he wants
Depends on the enemy and the writer, it can also be immeadiate, it's not like it will take him eons, to reach Franklin's power level he just needed to shut off Banner and in a moment reached that level
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I would like to know that too
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I was under the understanding everyone knew that lol
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I think just over semantics.
I'm arguing that TOBA's form in the 9th cosmos and his feats are unapplicable to Hulk, as he need to absorb The Sentience of the Universe to achieve that state.
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If Hulk wins, normies will retroactively believe Doomsday and Broly beat Godzilla (composite), I wonder if they'll be right?
If Godzilla wins, at least Goku will have company in the 0-3 club and honestly after the polarising MCU Hulk (due to Universal legal BS), DB will likely characterise how tragic Hulk/Banner truly are better than the mouse (In the Avengers Assemble: Banner straight up tells Widow he tried to end himself and the MCU never addresses this again).
If Godzilla wins, at least Goku will have company in the 0-3 club and honestly after the polarising MCU Hulk (due to Universal legal BS), DB will likely characterise how tragic Hulk/Banner truly are better than the mouse (In the Avengers Assemble: Banner straight up tells Widow he tried to end himself and the MCU never addresses this again).
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The implications that Superman kept sending Goku to the afterlife and now he is in hell is just
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I’d laugh honestly
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This is so funny! XD
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Technically he can, he can absorb energy from cosmic level beings like the Uni-Mind and Galactus.
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Singular Point Hulk, basically Joe Fixit after he absorbed the Cosmic Rays
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I mean it’s true.
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Reposting what I've commented on a past thread:
The biggest problem with Godzilla In Hell's powerscaling stems from two things; the story's lack of dialogue, and multiple writers in a comic book with only five issues, and it's the lack of dialog that led to a lot of people asking the authors a lot of questions.
The story is almost 100% abstract (not least because that was the intention from the start if I'm not mistaken, even taking ideas from The Divine Comedy when Godzilla descended into Hell). It's the personification of nuclear terror traveling through different pockets of hell, conquering not only his enemies and obstacles, but himself at the end of the story, but that's the thing, it's almost entirely visual. We have brief narrations at the beginning of each issue (or not even that), or when God-Mountain shouts for Godzilla to submit, or when he goes through an N situation (for example, when he tricks Ghidorah and Destoroyah into destroying one of the walls of hell that was blocking his destination), nothing complex. It's one of my favorite IDW stories, but when it gets into the powerscaling business, that's where things get complicated, especially for those who are puritanical about visual feats.
I personally separate the good apples from the bad, I think it's wrong to say that every WoG based on this story is disposable, because for a story with almost zero narration, everything depends on our interpretation (which is what David Watcher wanted in the last issue). The problem is that people focus too much on shallow and leading questions and answers. Like, "wow, can Godzilla nuke the whole IDW megaverse?", or "wow, is Godzilla omniscient and omnipresent?".
The biggest problem with Godzilla In Hell's powerscaling stems from two things; the story's lack of dialogue, and multiple writers in a comic book with only five issues, and it's the lack of dialog that led to a lot of people asking the authors a lot of questions.
The story is almost 100% abstract (not least because that was the intention from the start if I'm not mistaken, even taking ideas from The Divine Comedy when Godzilla descended into Hell). It's the personification of nuclear terror traveling through different pockets of hell, conquering not only his enemies and obstacles, but himself at the end of the story, but that's the thing, it's almost entirely visual. We have brief narrations at the beginning of each issue (or not even that), or when God-Mountain shouts for Godzilla to submit, or when he goes through an N situation (for example, when he tricks Ghidorah and Destoroyah into destroying one of the walls of hell that was blocking his destination), nothing complex. It's one of my favorite IDW stories, but when it gets into the powerscaling business, that's where things get complicated, especially for those who are puritanical about visual feats.
I personally separate the good apples from the bad, I think it's wrong to say that every WoG based on this story is disposable, because for a story with almost zero narration, everything depends on our interpretation (which is what David Watcher wanted in the last issue). The problem is that people focus too much on shallow and leading questions and answers. Like, "wow, can Godzilla nuke the whole IDW megaverse?", or "wow, is Godzilla omniscient and omnipresent?".
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Godzilla in Hell is effectively 95% vague artistic interpretation with a loose story behind it, they dont really say what anything Gozilla fights is beyond the pre-existing monsters that make an appearance. People took advantage of this by trying to spin it that Godzilla was fighting 'the abrahamic God' and 'Yog-Sothoth' and then asked the writers and artists to confirm.
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Dammit how do I get images to work on this forum
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Click the insert image icon then paste the image link into it, the forum can be wonky with how it automatically sizes the image itself so you'll probs need to shrink them manually
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So like, is shin Godzilla gonna be involved in this? He help Goji at all?
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