DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[Osemere]

If its stats equal for both (lmao) then Thor prolly beats WW since he now has Thorforce which feels like should have hax.

Norman should still be stronger AP, but while maybe Joker Venom has hax, Im kinda curious that shouldnt Norman also have some hax of his own? Also practically Norman uses the Glider as a main weapon, should be good advantage.

It’ll be interesting to see how this is all ordered out since Ewing and other writers have acknowledged Thorforce as the instant “I win” button Thor has now, which thereby has to be explicitly limited as mentioned on social media and in letters pages. Ewing said something like “Batman has prep time, Thor has sleep time”, since if he ever uses the Thorforce, he’ll easily enter into the Thorsleep due to his lack of experience, justifiably explained as a narrative device for why he doesn’t just use it to solve every problem he has.

What’s interesting is that Immortal Thor has put some basic limits on its powers too. Thor after being turned to stone and shattered said that the magic of the All-Father wouldn’t even be able to bring him back after the transmutation spell wore off (instead he was saved by Enchantress’ magic) which means that just chopping him to pieces would kill him (which makes him less “immortal”, but I digress). Diana has a good chance of winning, even if “Thor hits her very hard with magic blunt-force object” is probably what happens.

 

[Rangoon04]

I was going on memory for that one, but looking back they scaled regular leaguers to those levels with John Stewart throwing Flash’s car at the Anti-Monitor fused with his brothers and surviving the explosion resulting from it (which defused them). The Yuga Khan thing was just scaling the Anti-Monitor to the godtier (since Anti-Monitor > Shazam with that amp) to make the entire scaling chain scale to R>F. Which is, again, pretty bonkers if you ask me. Although I think Marvel scaling needs a second look too.

that feat is a little weird because if we take it at face value and fully scale John to them (Anti-Monitor at least), then he also scales to LE WL Kyle because they equalized ALE Anti-Monitor and Kyle. I'm pretty sure they also scaled Kyle above Darkseid and above Unbound Spectre who was able to defeat Godstorm John Stewart so I'm really wary of scaling John to full power amped Anti-Monitor. I'm sure Thor has some similar R>F scaling nevertheless

 

[MagdalenusTenebrosus]

Death Battle plays it fast and loose with DC scaling. They justified universal post crisis Superman with the Zero Hour feat when there was a comic (I forget which, maybe Superman Forever? Lemme check) which just out and out states Spectre put most of the energy into triggering the Big Bang.

However apparently Death Metal Superman beat a Godhead level being outright, like a Darkseid version of Batman or something within the Godsphere. Rebirth Superman just became cracked after Jurgens was done.

 

[SomaKing13]

Death Battle plays it fast and loose with DC scaling. They justified universal post crisis Superman with the Zero Hour feat when there was a comic (I forget which, maybe Superman Forever? Lemme check) which just out and out states Spectre put most of the energy into triggering the Big Bang.

However apparently Death Metal Superman beat a Godhead level being outright, like a Darkseid version of Batman or something within the Godsphere. Rebirth Superman just became cracked after Jurgens was done.

Death Metal Superman shouldn't count, as Superman was infected and turning into a Darkseid as well in that event

 

[Rangoon04]

Death Battle plays it fast and loose with DC scaling. They justified universal post crisis Superman with the Zero Hour feat when there was a comic (I forget which, maybe Superman Forever? Lemme check) which just out and out states Spectre put most of the energy into triggering the Big Bang.

However apparently Death Metal Superman beat a Godhead level being outright, like a Darkseid version of Batman or something within the Godsphere. Rebirth Superman just became cracked after Jurgens was done.

WW recently beat the Godhead of a Mexican god Tezcatlipoca so I think they'll definitely scale her to that.

What’s interesting is that Immortal Thor has put some basic limits on its powers too. Thor after being turned to stone and shattered said that the magic of the All-Father wouldn’t even be able to bring him back after the transmutation spell wore off (instead he was saved by Enchantress’ magic) which means that just chopping him to pieces would kill him (which makes him less “immortal”, but I digress). Diana has a good chance of winning, even if “Thor hits her very hard with magic blunt-force object” is probably what happens.

on a similar note, I think it's really funny how a lot of these absurd comic book characters don't have godlike regen. they can survive being erased from existence or resist being atomized but can also still lose limbs or just be cut in half lol

 

[MagdalenusTenebrosus]

WW recently beat the Godhead of a Mexican god Tezcatlipoca so I think they'll definitely scale her to that.

on a similar note, I think it's really funny how a lot of these absurd comic book characters don't have godlike regen. they can survive being erased from existence or resist being atomized but can also still lose limbs or just be cut in half lol

I hate how DC has been so much looser with scaling recently. There used to be a solid insurmountable gap between Godsphere beings and DC heroes without amps.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

So Thor is more swole than he's ever been, but how is Wonder Woman? She beat the last Crisis right, so is that something that she can just do now or is she back to status quo, nebulously ≤ Superman level?

She lost the Anti-Crisis amp, but if she does get it in an MU against Thor, then I'd say she probably has the higher chance of winning.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

It hasn’t even been two weeks and I’m already tired of this

Im tired of the godzilla glaze and repeated memes of beating hulk in discord...

 

[Asterotheology]

WW recently beat the Godhead of a Mexican god Tezcatlipoca so I think they'll definitely scale her to that.

on a similar note, I think it's really funny how a lot of these absurd comic book characters don't have godlike regen. they can survive being erased from existence or resist being atomized but can also still lose limbs or just be cut in half lol

She also fought Janus who went around killing Gods in the Sphere, with the Godscraper. Which funny you should mention existence erasure, because that's what it do to things it can cuts and Wonder Woman was blocking it. The Godscraper was even cutting holes in reality like the 5th Dimension and so on. Then in another comic, Wonder Woman briefly fought Chaos and Apeiron (?) for a bit. Basically, post rebirth WW still has some things to pull from.

As for her Golden Form, she gave that away after Infinite Frontiers. But that's comics for you. Give away a power that would've helped with an upcoming threats. That being Dark Crisis. Horrible thing is it happened as soon as she gave her powers away. Didn't even give it another issue or anything.

 

[Bigdongus]

Im tired of the godzilla glaze and repeated memes of beating hulk in discord...

So the discord and subreddit have opposite ends of the annoyance spectrum? Awesome

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Im tired of the godzilla glaze and repeated memes of beating hulk in discord...

I'm just saying, but the backlash is gonna be a lot more annoying if Godzilla loses then if Hulk loses.

Like I'm sensing a Ben Vs Hal 2.0 reaction to this.

 

[MagdalenusTenebrosus]

I'm just saying, but the backlash is gonna be a lot more annoying if Godzilla loses then if Hulk loses.

Only way to possibly avoid controversy is go with the ighest interpretation of Ultima and just show/say Hulk simply scales higher than that at his absolute peak with some clear evidence (Clearer than B10 vs Hal), and make it clear Goji in most interpretations is usually only solar system level in the first place and Hulk on the average would quickly surpass that too and this fight is only possible with Ultima. Might prevent craziness.

 

[Tipper17]

I'm just saying, but the backlash is gonna be a lot more annoying if Godzilla loses then if Hulk loses.

Like I'm sensing a Ben Vs Hal 2.0 reaction to this.

well yeah because Big G gets glazed in crossovers and shit look at the reactions to him beating superman and recently tearing off a celestial head off easily

 

[Bigdongus]

well yeah because Big G gets glazed in crossovers and shit look at the reactions to him beating superman and recently tearing off a celestial head off easily

Doesn’t this place celebrate when things like Sonic easily defeating darkseid happens?

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Im tired of the godzilla glaze and repeated memes of beating hulk in discord...

I mean Capeshit Fans kind of deserve it. Especially when they wank everyone to outerversal because they fought a herald for 2 seconds.

 

[MagdalenusTenebrosus]

I mean Capeshit Fans kind of deserve it. Especially when they wank everyone to outerversal because they fought a herald for 2 seconds.

I can tolerate universal heralds but then making every herald and their mother multiversal is getting annoying to me

*I don't mind if the universe in question's scope leads to a higher tier, even if it's a bit annoying

 

[ZeedKZ]

I'm just saying, but the backlash is gonna be a lot more annoying if Godzilla loses then if Hulk loses.

Like I'm sensing a Ben Vs Hal 2.0 reaction to this.

It's not anywhere near being close to a BenHal. Y'all need to stop using Reddit as a parameter if whether which reception a MU is going to get. I expect the outburst/backlash tending more to if Hulk loses given it would be his 3rd defeat (which we all agree he shouldn't have lost against Broly). Majority of the Godzilla side (also including r/Godzilla) isn't really confident of Godzilla winning, or would even bother too much depending on the reasoning they'll give. The DB Discord is also pretty divisive, though people are starting to lean more towards Goji as the peeps are translating the novel, and even then, the "toxicity" of this match-up isn't close to BenHal or even BillCord (which even had the topic closed in the Discord by the time of the episode).

I do find Hulkzilla being the closest and most debatable MU of the Kickstart era, and it can easily go either way depending on what DB buys or not.

 

[TartaChocholate]

Doesn’t this place celebrate when things like Sonic easily defeating darkseid happens?

Or when he was being hyped as faster then the flash in twitter. The only complaint I remember was when a dude didn't know Darkseid and seemed to be unable to believe there was a more fearsome villain than the bosses in Sonic games.

 

[MagdalenusTenebrosus]

It's not anywhere near being close to a BenHal. Y'all need to stop using Reddit as a parameter if whether which reception a MU is going to get. I expect the outburst/backlash tending more to if Hulk loses given it would be his 3rd defeat (which we all agree he shouldn't have lost against Broly). Majority of the Godzilla side (also including r/Godzilla) isn't really confident of Godzilla winning, or would even bother too much depending on the reasoning they'll give. The DB Discord is also pretty divisive, though people are starting to lean more towards Goji as the peeps are translating the novel.

As much as I'd like Godzilla to win it doesn't feel right. Even if Ultima is legit Godzilla which I do buy cool, what does that say? You need the most obscure random ass version of Godzilla whose connections to Hulk have ceased to be to win, when on the average even a 4-B Godzilla would lose to the average lower end conception of a 4-B Hulk.

 

[TartaChocholate]

As much as I'd like Godzilla to win it doesn't feel right. Even if Ultima is legit Godzilla which I do buy cool, what does that say? You need the most obscure random ass version of Godzilla whose connections to Hulk have ceased to be to win, when on the average even a 4-B Godzilla would lose to the average lower end conception of a 4-B Hulk.

At least 1954 Goji still beats 1978 Tv Series Hulk... I think?

 

[Bigdongus]

I will say something I’ve noticed, maybe it’s just because I only lurk here, but I’ve only seen slander memes against Godzilla. So there’s a weird kind of cognitive dissonance calling Godzilla fans “the toxic ones” and then posting a bunch of slander memes against only Godzilla.

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve been part of the fanbase for most of my life and I know how bad things can get with them. But what I’m seeing isn’t convincing me.

 

[ZeedKZ]

As much as I'd like Godzilla to win it doesn't feel right. Even if Ultima is legit Godzilla which I do buy cool, what does that say? You need the most obscure random ass version of Godzilla whose connections to Hulk have ceased to be to win, when on the average even a 4-B Godzilla would lose to the average lower end conception of a 4-B Hulk.

most obscure

Singular Point has an decently popular anime, y'know? Ignoring the downplaying on how hacked Godzilla is without Ultima.

 

[Tipper17]

Doesn’t this place celebrate when things like Sonic easily defeating darkseid happens?

That's the sonic fanbase

 

[MagdalenusTenebrosus]

Singular Point has an decently popular anime, y'know? Ignoring the downplaying on how hacked Godzilla is without Ultima.

I hear people didn't like it. I skipped it and Godzilla Earth due to poor reviews. Most of the insane stuff comes from the novelization too. The anime peaks at like 1-C iirc?

 

[Bigdongus]

I hear people didn't like it. I skipped it and Godzilla Earth due to poor reviews.

IMO both of those were really bad

 

[TartaChocholate]

IMO both of those were really bad

Strange considering the triology had Gen Urobochi as writter. Maybe his style was just too different to fit a Godzilla story... dunno.

 

[Rangoon04]

I will say something I’ve noticed, maybe it’s just because I only lurk here, but I’ve only seen slander memes against Godzilla. So there’s a weird kind of cognitive dissonance calling Godzilla fans “the toxic ones” and then posting a bunch of slander memes against only Godzilla.

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve been part of the fanbase for most of my life and I know how bad things can get with them. But what I’m seeing isn’t convincing me.

just depends on where you are. on the opposite end for example, the DB subreddit is probably the worst place someone could be if they were a Hulk fan

 

[MagdalenusTenebrosus]

Strange considering the triology had Gen Urobochi as writter. Maybe his style was just too different to fit a Godzilla story... dunno.

What I'm surprised is the guy who made Minus One was the one who butchered the Dragon Quest V movie with its nonsense twist.

 

[MagdalenusTenebrosus]

I will say something I’ve noticed, maybe it’s just because I only lurk here, but I’ve only seen slander memes against Godzilla. So there’s a weird kind of cognitive dissonance calling Godzilla fans “the toxic ones” and then posting a bunch of slander memes against only Godzilla.

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve been part of the fanbase for most of my life and I know how bad things can get with them. But what I’m seeing isn’t convincing me.

I've not seen the toxic part of the fandom beyond newbs/tourists who started with Reiwa and think they're enlightened experts in the series.

Like for me I watch Godzilla and (given unlike comics which is the primary material so I can handle the dissonance of DCAU/DCEU/DCU being weaker) cannot see this character beating Hulk. Even with solar system scaling, Heralds have always been reliably solar system level at least in debating boards which is what Godzilla peaks at for most media. He's more hax'd than Hulk sure, even if you exclude Singular Point, but strength wise he is relying heavily on a handful of incarnations while Hulk just needs to rely on himself. I want Goji to win but I just still feel dirty that he has to rely on Ultima to actually do it.

Would prefer Singular Point Godzilla vs Adramelech ngl, even if Monster Girl Quest is turbo forever big NO from Death Battle touching with a 50 light year rod

 

[TartaChocholate]

What I'm surprised is the guy who made Minus One was the one who butchered the Dragon Quest V movie with its nonsense twist.

Huh, I legit didn't know that. Well, if you squint enough you kinda see the commentary on human condition, finding value and moving on and yadda yadda, but it certainly works better for a story set post WW2 than one based on a fantasy video game about heroes defeating evil (and finding your mom).

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

It's not anywhere near being close to a BenHal. Y'all need to stop using Reddit as a parameter if whether which reception a MU is going to get. I expect the outburst/backlash tending more to if Hulk loses given it would be his 3rd defeat (which we all agree he shouldn't have lost against Broly). Majority of the Godzilla side (also including r/Godzilla) isn't really confident of Godzilla winning, or would even bother too much depending on the reasoning they'll give. The DB Discord is also pretty divisive, though people are starting to lean more towards Goji as the peeps are translating the novel, and even then, the "toxicity" of this match-up isn't close to BenHal or even BillCord (which even had the topic closed in the Discord by the time of the episode).

I do find Hulkzilla being the closest and most debatable MU of the Kickstart era, and it can easily go either way depending on what DB buys or not.

Gonna agree with this. Outside of the shitposting of Hulk going 0-3, most people just aren't going to be that butthurt if Zilla takes the L. I mean outside of Ultima Wankers

 

[AthelChan]

Almighty Thor mogs MCU Thor

 

[Hunterzillas]

I hear people didn't like it. I skipped it and Godzilla Earth due to poor reviews. Most of the insane stuff comes from the novelization too. The anime peaks at like 1-C iirc?

Yeah you weren't missing much, other than hearing "Orthogonal Diagonlizer" A LOT. Godzilla's beam is pretty cool.

Those anime movies were a complete waste of an awesome concept. I really can't believe it's that hard for Godzilla to get a good anime, he was already pretty much a Shonen protagonist by the 60's.

 

[TartaChocholate]

Yeah you weren't missing much, other than hearing "Orthogonal Diagonlizer" A LOT. Godzilla's beam is pretty cool.

Those anime movies were a complete waste of an awesome concept. I really can't believe it's that hard for Godzilla to get a good anime, he was already pretty much a Shonen protagonist by the 60's.

Doesn't help that the animes tend to go in incredibly weird directions with the story.

 

[Rangoon04]

Doesn't help that the animes tend to go in incredibly weird directions with the story.

how do people feel about the whole eldritch void Ghidorah thing?

 

[Tipper17]

Yeah you weren't missing much, other than hearing "Orthogonal Diagonlizer" A LOT. Godzilla's beam is pretty cool.

Those anime movies were a complete waste of an awesome concept. I really can't believe it's that hard for Godzilla to get a good anime, he was already pretty much a Shonen protagonist by the 60's.

idk its weird because fanmade animated stuff knows how to make Godzilla work yet for some reason the anime for him seems to miss the mark

 

[Hunterzillas]

how do people feel about the whole eldritch void Ghidorah thing?

Cool concept, and just like everything else....eh.



Just watch this instead.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

idk its weird because fanmade animated stuff knows how to make Godzilla work yet for some reason the anime for him seems to miss the mark

Fans always know more than corpos about their favorite franchise.

 

[Tipper17]

I wonder how long the fight will be because i can't see the fight being done well in just 3-4 min
given the size diff here
you have to nail it right for both other wise ya have it be hulk dog walking Godzilla for the most part or vice versa
both need good moments shine here

this is not even getting into the fact the 3D fights outside chief vs slayer(good) have been mid(Omnidock) or ass(Kratosura)
while most of the best fights of the KS era been HD or sprites

this is the 3D team biggest challenge and i hope they can deliver

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

I wonder how long the fight will be because i can't see the fight being done well in just 3-4 min
given the size diff here
you have to nail it right for both other wise ya have it be hulk dog walking Godzilla for the most part or vice versa
both need good moments shine here

this is not even getting into the fact the 3D fights outside chief vs slayer(good) have been mid(Omnidock) or ass(Kratosura)
while most of the best fights of the KS era been HD or sprites

this is the 3D team biggest challenge and i hope they can deliver

1 minute at best.