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they scaled GR to Mephisto and Galactus who has (or is at least tied for) the highest stats they've given to Marvel which is probably the highest you can reasonably scale him anyway
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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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Yeah, and that didnt seem to help beat Spawn's hax. If they use Ultima and he isnt a fraud, it might be repeat.
Would they make Hulk more haxed than GR?
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but we were talking about stats unless "high-end stuff" meant hax.
I don't think they'd give him more hax but maybe more resistances
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Yeah, Im thinking both factors could have issues for Hulk, that DB downplays Hulk to not be Outer and that regardless of his AP, it might not affect Ultima well.
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I can't say my full tohughts on ultima given im not some Godzilla guru like you guys are concept wise ultima seems interesting to have an eldritch abomination of Big G but execution seems very flawed especially with the mathematics slop
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I honestly would have to read the novel to have thoughts on Ultima. I only watched 2 episodes of the anime also... but lost track of it.
With DMC you guys mean the whole forged evidence that was used, right? Yeh... that was something, especially with how much effort went into faking vids and everything. It went way beyond "I swear this game totally says this and that, my man".
Demonbane, from what I recall, at least got a proper revision and actually ended up being Tier 1 on its own merits and cosmology. Though the pages were never applied strangely enough.
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Basically yeah, the entirety of singular point is a university lecture in theoretical physics. I’m not kidding when I say most of the dialogue is technobabble exposition. Godzilla is barely in it, I know people say that he’s barely in the movies, but his screentime is incredibly low in this. I did the math and it’s an equivalent of being in a 2 hour movie for 2 minutes.
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By all accounts Ultima shouldnt be used, even with composite rules its weird, and tbh if its going to be used is because otherewise Goji just loses.
Its a massive advantage for characters to not have a main versions for themselves. Scooby-Doo is allowed to get weird but Transformers aka Megatron got ****** cause G1 Cartoon was deemed as main continuity and therefore no funny Japan stuff for him.
Goji having eras like TMNT and Zelda generally makes it so that Ultima is used I feel like.
Its a massive advantage for characters to not have a main versions for themselves. Scooby-Doo is allowed to get weird but Transformers aka Megatron got ****** cause G1 Cartoon was deemed as main continuity and therefore no funny Japan stuff for him.
Goji having eras like TMNT and Zelda generally makes it so that Ultima is used I feel like.
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Out of the dozens of Godzilla incarnations, are Ultima and Marvel Comics Goji really the only ones that stand a chance?
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If you squint the DC version of Godzilla might be up there with his Marvel version but his power in the JL crossover is... iffy to say the least.
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Has DB ever touched outer scaling?
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There's a bunch of other lesser known crossover versions like the MTG Goji or Super Robot Wars Goji but Marvel Goji is an absolute monster in terms of scaling while Ultima gives insane hax.
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May I ask how this is distinct from Army MUs, both in viability and execution?
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What's the minimum dimensionality (4D-20D, for example) for them to say a character is Outer? Or does dimensionality not work that way?
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Outerversal isn't tied to dimensionality. afaik, it's transcending a world in a qualitative way to such a degree that no amount of material energy can reach quantitatively unless the character is a conduit for energy that can operate on that scale. to that end, DB has never actually used the term but has arguably come close to it with Simon and Kyle's R>F statements but I'm not sure if their interpretations meet the standards for outer set here
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I could have sworn R>F was seen as Outer at one point
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no it is but there are some pretty strict qualifications for it. the reason I'm not sure if DB's Simon and Kyle qualify is because they don't really do it in a qualitative way I think? like first, the verse itself needs to have some outerversal component to it but currently Gurren Lagann doesn't on this site and Kyle only scales to multiversal but his profile appears outdated and the ongoing DC cosmology revisions seem like they might make Godsphere 1-A, so it would be a matter of him scaling to thatI could have sworn R>F was seen as Outer at one point
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The eras are strictly for the movies, and only the movies. Comics and games? A whole different issue. Ultima is also part of the Reiwa era. There is genuinely no reason to excuse him not being used (specially after Ben did talked a lot about him in the DB Cast episode).
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Even if his true form is divorced from the fight, so should have Darkseid's Godhead but they still have it to him and that also gave him the w
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Unironically, Kagurabachi might take this. Especially with the more recent feats.
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going off recent G1 blogs, Morbius seems to outstat and I'm unsure if Chihiro has the abilities to make up for it
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Based. Still the coolest superhero.
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Invisible Woman solos Marvel. MarveLOSERS keep coping
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Covenant vs Super Earth
Super Earth vs the Combine
Anything with Super Earth tbh. I would even take Super Earth vs the UNSC, or the Imperium. They actually have a lot of wacky feats and technological achievements
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"Parental controls on his Roblox account"
Funny, given what the UK has been doing.
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Yeah, SP is probaly more significant if its worthy enough to be in Reiwa era. Tho regardless of this, the problem is, arent most Reiwa films not canon to themselves? Shin, SP & Minus One are separate canons. It shouldnt be issue for DB tho.
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Yeah, so are the Millennium movies with the exception of the Kiryu duology. Godzilla doesn't really have a main canon.
The same can be said for iterations like GMK, Rozan, or even Earth, which are way different than the standard Godzilla. Ultima is literally Godzilla at a higher dimension. I don't see why they would not take an legal iteration of the character into consideration because "too different" excuses.
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I could see them including the anime version of singular point and ignoring the novelization due to the rule that all material is used unless something disagrees with the primary material, simply because having someone translate the entire novelization would be a big investment, and actually understanding the entire thing (when, from what I read, the author’s other works are themselves pretty inscrutable to native Japanese speakers) would also just be a lot of effort. Unless they go the route of “actually we’re going to just machine translate the entire thing, and hand-translate the passages which might have uberduper powerful purple prose” which the Reddit people are doing.
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the Ultima body (the one on the SP poster) seems feasible enough but the extra-dimensional entity it comes from, IT, has no actual screen appearance and basically all of its information is from the untranslated novel that a lot of people still have differing interpretations over
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Is the whole "Ultima being every single Godzilla combined in the novel" thing fake? If not, then I think him transforming into it would be ok, if it is bs, then I legit don't know
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I agree, but it would be really funny if after all this time hyping up Ultima for it to just go like:
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It's fake. Ultima is every Godzilla within what Singular Point has explored (like the Godzilla skeleton we see). Every other Godzilla is distinct.
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Ah... Well, how will they incorporate Ultima indeed lmao?
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