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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

Spinoirr said:
You know, where do you guys scale comic Captain America?

Personally I see him as City Level, Relativistic - Possibly FTL
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Thats honestly where I imagined him- City Level physically with FTL speed but shield being solar system to high-universal
 
TartaChocholate said:
Kinda, yeah. But it's an issue I had with the Heisei movies in general is just how much time we have to spend watching the military explaining stuff and their plans and strategies, which really dragged down them in general for me (except for Godzilla vs King Ghidorah which was more of a sci-fi adventure).

It's not an issue of the Kaiju's not showing up soon enough or having little screentime since that happened since the Showa Era, but despite the movies having a human cast with their objectives and such, I feel they weren't that well interwined with the military parts. A lot of it was just the army and later the G-Force just explaining the events of the movie, the potential disasters that may happen and the plans to solve the situation and beat the threat. To put it somehow... they felt less like scenes in a move and more like attending to class, given we don't really see the army as much more than an organization doing their work, and sometimes the characters are unrelated or doing something else. I wouldn't say the movies were bad or anything, but they could get, said without elegance, boring.

I guess it was a bid to give a more serious and grounded feel compared to the campier Showa era, which had some pretty off-the wall plots, and sometimes a bunch of randos dealing with the monsters. But that variations is what allowed the movies to feel more enjoyable in a way.
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Well put, I was just binging the Showa movies yesterday and saw your comment about the overabundance of military scenes and, yeah it's there too, at least the earlier ones. I don't know why, but Godzilla movies often feel the need to have a big committee scene with characters we don't know talking about the science of the creatures and then how to deal with it. Like you said though, the wacky and zany plots do a lot to offset the pace-killing boring exposition.

It's weird, I remember preferring the Heisei movies, but Showa Godzilla honestly has more going for it. Ebirah, Horror of the Deep has unironically one of the best human plots for a Godzilla film, and is in my top 5 for best Godzilla movies period. Showa movies are being streamed on YouTube, y'all should check out TokuSHOUTsu
 
Hunterzillas said:
Well put, I was just binging the Showa movies yesterday and saw your comment about the overabundance of military scenes and, yeah it's there too, at least the earlier ones. I don't know why, but Godzilla movies often feel the need to have a big committee scene with characters we don't know talking about the science of the creatures and then how to deal with it. Like you said though, the wacky and zany plots do a lot to offset the pace-killing boring exposition.

It's weird, I remember preferring the Heisei movies, but Showa Godzilla honestly has more going for it. Ebirah, Horror of the Deep has unironically one of the best human plots for a Godzilla film, and is in my top 5 for best Godzilla movies period. Showa movies are being streamed on YouTube, y'all should check out TokuSHOUTsu
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Shows why folks love the Latest Godzilla x Kong movie because we want to see more of the the monsters than boring human drama
 
Hunterzillas said:
Mhm, and when there is a human plot it needs to be engaging. If that means something deeply personal and emotional like Minus One, or an over the top romp into sci-fi/magic/thriller nonsense, then so be it.
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Yep
Speaking of minus one what would you say are most good versions of Godzilla and the most evil of the character

As well as ones that just neutral
 
Tipper17 said:
Yep
Speaking of minus one what would you say are most good versions of Godzilla and the most evil of the character

As well as ones that just neutral
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Well the easiest category to answer is probably which Godzilla is most evil. Ultima aside for obvious eldritch-omnicidal reasons, probably GMK Godzilla, as he is the collective pain and hate of those who suffered in the Pacific theatre in WW2. He causes pain and destruction, he knows it, and he loves it.

Showa Godzilla is definitely the most heroic. Even though he started out as destructive as the original Godzilla, his team-up with Rodan and Mothra and the adoption of Minilla mellowed him out and turned him into a force for good who would go out of his way to help humanity. Another point towards Showa supremacy, this Godzilla has an actual arc.

Heisei is mostly just a radioactive dinosaur who goes where he wants, when he wants, and how he wants. I believe he is truly indifferent to humans at best and uncaring of the suffering he causes just by walking through cities. He is more akin to early Showa Godzilla, but instead of becoming a good guy, he just stayed an asshole. He'll defend Earth, but only because it's where all of his stuff is.
 
JoshDoshMosh said:
Thoughts on the Nekrons vs Daleks
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I will restrain my words on it but I'm not a fan of it. Necrons are basically just hard carried by the C'tan and without it while they have powerful higher dimensional prison tech and whatever they us d to knock out the C'tan is dangerous, are otherwise horribly out armed iirc. Forerunners vs Necrons I preferred (Not WiH of course, though honestly even then their worst stuff is whatever they used to break the C:tan), Daleks vs Vex is better for me.
 
Hunterzillas said:
Mhm, and when there is a human plot it needs to be engaging. If that means something deeply personal and emotional like Minus One, or an over the top romp into sci-fi/magic/thriller nonsense, then so be it.
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This is what I think, personally, as well. The drama for the dude in Minus One worked so well because we were given time to see it develop, we were given a context that complemented it in post WW2 Japan and its destroyed nature and we saw how Godzilla played off that as creating more destruction in a country trying to get up from the floor and a man trying to stop him as a way to make up for his mistakes and make for a place to live with his family. No joke, I think this is why Astro Monster and Godzilla vs King Ghidorah also worked out, because the sci-fi adventure gave us time to know our cast and their mission, we had a hero and all and Godzilla was part of that. We weren't just waiting for the human cast to move aside or the army to get over with the briefing, we actually wanted to know what would happen with the Xilliens and stuff and how Godzilla would play his part. It worked as a whole.
Hunterzillas said:
Well put, I was just binging the Showa movies yesterday and saw your comment about the overabundance of military scenes and, yeah it's there too, at least the earlier ones. I don't know why, but Godzilla movies often feel the need to have a big committee scene with characters we don't know talking about the science of the creatures and then how to deal with it. Like you said though, the wacky and zany plots do a lot to offset the pace-killing boring exposition.

It's weird, I remember preferring the Heisei movies, but Showa Godzilla honestly has more going for it. Ebirah, Horror of the Deep has unironically one of the best human plots for a Godzilla film, and is in my top 5 for best Godzilla movies period. Showa movies are being streamed on YouTube, y'all should check out TokuSHOUTsu
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Maybe it's a way for the movie to let the audience know what's going on. But it's a rather similar thing that when you're reading a comic or manga and suddenly come across a wall of text dumping the lore on you. It works much better the times the soldier, the scientist or alien person is part of the cast and them deliver the explanations.

Honestly, I have mixed feelings on the Heisei era. After so long of hearing their legendary status and finally watching them I really want to like them, and I don't think they were bad movies or anything, but I just didn't have that much fun watching them. Many times I found myself bored. Which sucks because they do a lot of things right.

Ebirah was great. The whole pulp-ish stop the evil organization plan did allow for the characters to have their time. I've read around that it was originally going to star Kong, but Toho had issues with the rights (hence that odd scene where Godzilla seems intrigued by the girl.)
Hunterzillas said:
Well the easiest category to answer is probably which Godzilla is most evil. Ultima aside for obvious eldritch-omnicidal reasons, probably GMK Godzilla, as he is the collective pain and hate of those who suffered in the Pacific theatre in WW2. He causes pain and destruction, he knows it, and he loves it.
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Oof, seeing Godzilla as the bully (of other Kaiju) was something. It was pretty surreal to see frigging Ghidorah trying to protect the city. And in the end the movie even made me feel bad for him. I mean, it was tragic to see the always heroic Mothra disintegrate and Baragon be beaten up so bad, but Ghidorah got his shining moment and then is literally blown to a bunch of charred chunks of flesh. I know Ghidorah is a piece of crap that absolutely deserves eveyrthing he has coming, but this one was a cool guy and got one of the most violent deaths I've seen in the franchise (Legendary movies and their ramped up gore notwitstanding).
Hunterzillas said:
Showa Godzilla is definitely the most heroic. Even though he started out as destructive as the original Godzilla, his team-up with Rodan and Mothra and the adoption of Minilla mellowed him out and turned him into a force for good who would go out of his way to help humanity. Another point towards Showa supremacy, this Godzilla has an actual arc.
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Yeah, it was pretty impressive to see. Especially when Mothra asks him to help save the humans and Godzilla is pretty blunt on how poor is his opinion on humanity as a whole. It really makes his destructive actions get a new light in hindsight. Some time later he's raising a kid and tagging a seafood monster with Ultraman Jaguar.

Also, is it just me, or did the design of his costume got progressively "cuter" the nicer Godzilla became?
Hunterzillas said:
Heisei is mostly just a radioactive dinosaur who goes where he wants, when he wants, and how he wants. I believe he is truly indifferent to humans at best and uncaring of the suffering he causes just by walking through cities. He is more akin to early Showa Godzilla, but instead of becoming a good guy, he just stayed an asshole. He'll defend Earth, but only because it's where all of his stuff is.
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I'd compare him to an animal with the intelligence of a person, but still the mindset and instincts of an animal. "The world is harsh, I need to survive, if you're in my way I'll swat you aside. We have a common enemy, but this isn't for you, there are no friends, you're on your own." etc, etc.
 
Hunterzillas said:
Real talk, the Daleks deserve better, connections aside.

Maybe Xeelee vs Daleks? People love good vs evil mus.
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Xeelee are too book only, too obscure, but even then work better with the Time Lords

I prefer Daleks vs Vex

My main issue with Daleks vs Nekrons is that unless some new book has come out, they have always been intentionally vague on whatever hyperversal 1-B whatever weapons actually shattered the C'tan. Without those weapons they have fancy dimensional prisons that are a higher dimensionality than Daleks but beyond that they're frankly helpless. Like erasing history by going back to the past and killing the progenitor was standard tactics in the Time War. So it's basically "Daleks realisitcally in all known portrayals utterly exterminate the Nekrons but some intentionally obscure weapon they used to destroy the C'tan cuts through them like butter" (Which I still don't think matters because Daleks can still just destroy the Nekrons before those technologies even exist)
 
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MagdalenusTenebrosus said:
I will restrain my words on it but I'm not a fan of it. Necrons are basically just hard carried by the C'tan and without it while they have powerful higher dimensional prison tech and whatever they us d to knock out the C'tan is dangerous, are otherwise horribly out armed iirc. Forerunners vs Necrons I preferred (Not WiH of course, though honestly even then their worst stuff is whatever they used to break the C:tan), Daleks vs Vex is better for me.
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Tbf, the Daleks are kinda carried by their super weapons too
The average Dalek foot soldier isn’t that impressive
Hunterzillas said:
Real talk, the Daleks deserve better, connections aside.

Maybe Xeelee vs Daleks? People love good vs evil mus.
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thats another cool one
 
Gyra1524 said:
I haven't been following the discussion that much, but does the match just come down to Ultima as well, with Goji Ultima not being fully translated?
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Pretty much yeah, though I believe Ultima will be used because it was a key point on the cast and the fact they have Japanese translators working for them.
 
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