Steve's IQ upgrade (mabye?)

[XxZetsuxX]

So i was looking at his page and i saw his intel section which is this;

"They are an expert warrior, miner, architect, blacksmith, alchemist, farmer, painter, designer, and many others. Their sense of survival and creativity are unparalleled"

He is basically an expert in alot of fields, doesn't this warrant at the very least a genius level rating or possibly E.G via knowing multiple fields?

"Extraordinary Genius: Individuals whose knowledge spreads over multiple fields of science and who vastly surpass the real world's upper human limits"

Not sure about the vastly surpass real world limits part but it's worth a try ig?

Basically my proposal is either a Genius or E.G

 

[Oiguana2701]

I think that, at best, this could enter Genius, as I don't think Steve vastly surpasses real world limits. I'm pretty sure everything listed there is possible IRL. I do agree with Genius being given, as Intelligence doesn't only cover academic intelligence.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Extraordinary Genius is a level of intellect that (maybe) a handful of humans have ever possessed. It means, for example, having advanced, working knowledge over entire fields of science- chemistry, physics, etc. Not sub-fields like marine biology, the whole field itself- it means having a significant portion of the sum of all human knowledge compiled in a single brain, and this would be arguably Extraordinary Genius.

Steve has rudimentary knowledge in many fields. Their intelligence is Gifted currently, I think even that is a bit generous given the feats but it encompasses the higher interpretations of what it is Steve does.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Honestly even these

"They are an expert warrior, miner, architect, blacksmith, alchemist, farmer, painter, designer, and many others. Their sense of survival and creativity are unparalleled"

Are ridiculously generous and basically baseless.
Expert warrior? Based on the vanilla game we have quite literally no relevant combat skill feats. He can use some basic weapons like swords, shields, and bows/crossbows but that does NOT warrant a "master warrior" title.

Expert Miner? How is anything in the game suggestive of him being a "master" at mining?

Expert Architect? That literally isn't even necessary in the game because majority of the materials in the world are not affected by gravity meaning you absolutely do not need to be a skilled architect to build in MC.

Same goes for other stuff. None of what happens in the game requires Steve to be a master at any of those things except maybe survival but even then, he literally has superhuman physical stats so it's not like he actually needs to be all that good at survival. I definitely don't think he qualifies for genius or extraordinary genius.

 

[IDK3465]

Honestly even these

Are ridiculously generous and basically baseless.
Expert warrior? Based on the vanilla game we have quite literally no relevant combat skill feats. He can use some basic weapons like swords, shields, and bows/crossbows but that does NOT warrant a "master warrior" title.

Expert Miner? How is anything in the game suggestive of him being a "master" at mining?

Expert Architect? That literally isn't even necessary in the game because majority of the materials in the world are not affected by gravity meaning you absolutely do not need to be a skilled architect to build in MC.

Same goes for other stuff. None of what happens in the game requires Steve to be a master at any of those things except maybe survival but even then, he literally has superhuman physical stats so it's not like he actually needs to be all that good at survival. I definitely don't think he qualifies for genius or extraordinary genius.

You can maybe argue that the fact he can create survival shelters and decently robust machinery within moments of getting the required materials to do so should count towards Genius, but that’s really the best you’re going to get without getting into “is the character actually smart, or is it just the player themselves who is?”, which is VERY easy to get into when you’re dealing with verses as lore-lite as Minecraft

 

[DavidTPPM]

You can maybe argue that the fact he can create survival shelters and decently robust machinery within moments of getting the required materials to do so should count towards Genius, but that’s really the best you’re going to get without getting into “is the character actually smart, or is it just the player themselves who is?”, which is VERY easy to get into when you’re dealing with verses as lore-lite as Minecraft

There is the recipe book which gives us the question of whether Steve just instantly figures out how to make shit out of materials he finds or whether he actually just has some magical book that does it for him.
I would personally say it's the latter because if he actually just figured it out himself you shouldn't have to actually get the block in your inventory but rather just see it or touch it.

There's also the question of how crafting actually works. I'm not personally sure how we treat Minecraft canon here but from what I I've seen both the story mode games and the movie treat crafting as literally just aligning the blocks on the table, not actually making them physically. Which would greatly diminish the validity of his craftsmanship as well as the intelligence necessary to figure out the crafting recipes.

 

[Jason_Courne]

Expert warrior? Based on the vanilla game we have quite literally no relevant combat skill feats. He can use some basic weapons like swords, shields, and bows/crossbows but that does NOT warrant a "master warrior" title.

Smash Ultimate begs to differ, Steve's combat rating is mostly due to his shear combat versatility, and ability to chain and combo so many different attacks together. Like yeah he uses swords "basically", but that doesn't matter when he's combo-ing them into firework rockets, potions, buckets of lava, and cobweb traps

 

[DavidTPPM]

Smash Ultimate begs to differ, Steve's combat rating is mostly due to his shear combat versatility, and ability to chain and combo so many different attacks together. Like yeah he uses swords "basically", but that doesn't matter when he's combo-ing them into firework rockets, potions, buckets of lava, and cobweb traps

Is Steve doing that canonically tho? Or is it just some no-life players on YouTube doing that?

Because if we were to rate combat skill and intelligence based on what's hypothetically possible in a game then every and all playable video game characters would be genius combatants. And as far as I'm concerned, there are no mobs that require you to do any crazy combos of potions, buckets, cobwebs, etc.

 

[IDK3465]

There is the recipe book which gives us the question of whether Steve just instantly figures out how to make shit out of materials he finds or whether he actually just has some magical book that does it for him.
I would personally say it's the latter because if he actually just figured it out himself you shouldn't have to actually get the block in your inventory but rather just see it or touch it.

I've always interpreted that as Steve simply being able to instantly imagine how to craft things once he finds the necessary materials, rather than being a literal book that gains new crafting recipes, but to each their own.

There's also the question of how crafting actually works. I'm not personally sure how we treat Minecraft canon here but from what I I've seen both the story mode games and the movie treat crafting as literally just aligning the blocks on the table, not actually making them physically. Which would greatly diminish the validity of his craftsmanship as well as the intelligence necessary to figure out the crafting recipes.

Yeah, I kinda forgot about that, but while the movie is confirmed to be non-canonical and separate from the games, Story Mode, while also existing as its own continuity, is stated to still follow the same logic and world as the original game, so it's probably usable.

 

[DavidTPPM]

I've always interpreted that as Steve simply being able to instantly imagine how to craft things once he finds the necessary materials, rather than being a literal book that gains new crafting recipes, but to each their own.

Yeah it's kinda hard to objectively evaluate. He could just be figuring out how to craft the stuff but to me that seems weird because like, why couldn't he do that just by seeing the block or seeing the item in a chest? Why does he specifically need to have it in his inventory to figure it out?

Like what extra information does possessing a rock in your inventory give that just seeing, punching, and even breaking a rock doesn't?

Yeah, I kinda forgot about that, but while the movie is confirmed to be non-canonical and separate from the games, Story Mode, while also existing as its own continuity, is stated to still follow the same logic and world as the original game, so it's probably usable.

Makes sense. Either way it's the closest we have to an objective interpretation of the crafting in Minecraft

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Honestly, the way i see it, steve basically scales to the player

so anything the player does, steve automatically scales there since he can do it (am i making sense???)

For combat, just scale steve to minecraft gods like technoblade or dream

For construction, scale him to whatever god tier player does

Same for strategy, traps and so on

This is just me though

 

[IDK3465]

Yeah it's kinda hard to objectively evaluate. He could just be figuring out how to craft the stuff but to me that seems weird because like, why couldn't he do that just by seeing the block or seeing the item in a chest? Why does he specifically need to have it in his inventory to figure it out?

Like what extra information does possessing a rock in your inventory give that just seeing, punching, and even breaking a rock doesn't?

I think that’s mainly just due to game mechanics as it just intuitively makes sense from a gameplay standpoint that the moment you find something to be the moment it goes into your inventory, otherwise you’d have a fuckton of notifications right out the gate when you play for the first time

Also, wouldn’t the crafting thing give Steve transmutation or something?

 

[Arkenis]

Honestly, the way i see it, steve basically scales to the player

so anything the player does, steve automatically scales there since he can do it (am i making sense???)

For combat, just scale steve to minecraft gods like technoblade or dream

For construction, scale him to whatever god tier player does

Same for strategy, traps and so on

This is just me though

That just puts him at average then since technoblade or dream show nothing above rudimentary skill in weapons or construction. We wouldn't accept it anyway, but what have either done thats impressive?

 

[Jason_Courne]

Is Steve doing that canonically tho? Or is it just some no-life players on YouTube doing that?

It should be, some things are just inherent game features, like shield breaking with axes, crossbow rockets, or potions of lingering and tipped arrows. The Combat Update was specifically geared around updating Minecraft's pvp system with new features and abilities.

PvP is even acknowledged and given three separate sections in the Survivors' Book of Secrets, Offensive strategies, Defensive strategies, and Winning Combos. So it's fair to just assume Steve is capable of doing these things same as the players themselves, since Mojang actively acknowledges it as in universe techniques

 

[DavidTPPM]

It should be, some things are just inherent game features, like shield breaking with axes, crossbow rockets, or potions of lingering and tipped arrows. The Combat Update was specifically geared around updating Minecraft's pvp system with new features and abilities.

PvP is even acknowledged and given three separate sections in the Survivors' Book of Secrets, Offensive strategies, Defensive strategies, and Winning Combos. So it's fair to just assume Steve is capable of doing these things same as the players themselves, since Mojang actively acknowledges it as in universe techniques

Uhhh not really? Just because Steve can canonically use a potion or place a cobweb doesn't mean he can canonically create and utilize the same "complex" combinations and strategies that Minecraft players do.

For combat, just scale steve to minecraft gods like technoblade or dream

The only thing Dream is a god at is cheating and grooming

Honestly, the way i see it, steve basically scales to the player

so anything the player does, steve automatically scales there since he can do it (am i making sense???)

No, like I said we don't just scale any game character to the highest potential skill level a player using that character can have. Otherwise every video game character ever would be a genius combatant.

The only thing we can safely grant Steve are things that we know he either HAS to do in order to beat the game or things he HAS to do to get all achievements, as these are events that the player is "intended" to do. Anything else would just be subjective non-canon gameplay

 

[IDK3465]

PvP is even acknowledged and given three separate sections in the Survivors' Book of Secrets, Offensive strategies, Defensive strategies, and Winning Combos. So it's fair to just assume Steve is capable of doing these things same as the players themselves, since Mojang actively acknowledges it as in universe techniques

I’d normally be against this as typically guides and stuff aren’t necessarily a reflection of what the character does in universe. But after looking into things more, this book canonically exists and is acknowledged in Story Mode, so you can actually make an argument for this; however, I’m still on the fence.

As I already mentioned, Story Mode is in its own continuity, so even though the world itself is the same, the characters and story is separate from the main game. As such, we have no real reason to assume Steve knows about the contents of, or even exists in the same world as this book. The only information from this book that matters to the main game is the stuff that exists in both Story Mode and the main game (i.e. mobs, items, etc). If there’s some statement of certain mobs being difficult to defeat even when using certain techniques, then sure, Steve can scale, but otherwise we have no real reason to do so

 

[Mr. Bambu]

That just puts him at average then since technoblade or dream show nothing above rudimentary skill in weapons or construction. We wouldn't accept it anyway, but what have either done thats impressive?

Make a nuclear physicist play Minecraft so we can upgrade Steve to Genius...

Smash Ultimate begs to differ, Steve's combat rating is mostly due to his shear combat versatility, and ability to chain and combo so many different attacks together. Like yeah he uses swords "basically", but that doesn't matter when he's combo-ing them into firework rockets, potions, buckets of lava, and cobweb traps

All of this is such an esoteric leap from the vast majority of gameplay. The average dude playing Minecraft is just using a sword, and even if he was doing the silly extra stuff, like. It isn't intelligence, Gifted would already more than cover "oh, I can place a cobweb to trap an enemy". The ability to use less than a dozen tools with uncomplicated functions is not a matter of intelligence but rather of input speed.

Like. Minecraft players aren't combat geniuses for realizing potions are useful lol. If anything that'd even be within the Average intelligence range. The best Minecraft players are notable for reaction speed over anything else. We don't really need to agonize over canonocity of X or Y thing when it's irrelevant anyways.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

The only thing Dream is a god at is cheating and grooming

Did he really do that xd? last part i mean

 

[FinePoint]

I essentially agree with Bambu here.

Most of the stuff Steve does isn't actually very impressive.

Likely the most complicated thing he actually engages with is enchantment, but even that is probably just him guessing given the randomness and unreadability of the symbols without external tools.

The speed at which he presumably adapts to the world around him might be gifted (assuming he doesn't already know), but nothing he does actually requires genius intelligence, and in fact seem relatively simple.

 

[IDK3465]

I essentially agree with Bambu here.

Most of the stuff Steve does isn't actually very impressive.

Likely the most complicated thing he actually engages with is enchantment, but even that is probably just him guessing given the randomness and unreadability of the symbols without external tools.

The speed at which he presumably adapts to the world around him might be gifted (assuming he doesn't already know), but nothing he does actually requires genius intelligence, and in fact seem relatively simple.

Yeah, that, brewing potions, adaptability, and survival skills are pretty much the only real things Steve has going for him.

If we take Story Mode as usable, you can maybe argue that he should scale to the Order of the Stone due them being incapable of defeating the Ender Dragon on their own despite having equipment on-par with late game Steve, but idk

 

[Yasuda_144]

I mean, if you go with the wiki's interpretation that every iota of gameplay is strictly diegetic and assume Minecraft takes place in a universe where if you put three piles of wheat together they metamorphose into a perfectly baked loaf of bread, then I agree that rating Steve as a genius would be kinda silly.

That being said, if you assume that the very simple core mechanics of the game are the way they are because they are a simplified gameplay abstraction so that you don't need to be the Primitive Technology guy just to play a block game, and that the stuff Steve's doing in universe is much more involved, that'd be a different story entirely.

The problem, as is almost always the problem with Minecraft, is when do you draw the line and say something is just game mechanics in a game that's 99.9% game mechanics and 0.1% lore?

 

[FinePoint]

That you don't need to be the Primitive Technology guy just to play a block game, and that the stuff Steve's doing in universe is much more involved.

Well I'd say it's not genius level either way, but rather would just require some niche knowledge maybe about like crafting using things from the wild.

Even then, it's probably made a lot easier by the fact he's strong enough to obliterate a tree with his bare hands and lift solid blocks of gold, so he probably wouldn't even need tools for most of it.

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Steves intelligence is kind of weird cause in the games lore he's supposed to pretty much be able to make anything he wants with ease but there isn't any canon thing that you have to build to progress the game other than the nether portal which you Steve canonically would have just copied from ruined portals

Buuuuut...

if you wanna go non-lore progression

GIANT FIGHTING MECH

 

[Re5yh]

It is time that we should put steve into creative mode.

 

[IDK3465]

It is time that we should put steve into creative mode.

WOAH woah woah, hold your horses bucko, you can at least wait till it’s mentioned in… idk, the upcoming animated series or something

 

[AthelChan]

It is time that we should put steve into creative mode.

millions must explode

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

I think that, at best, this could enter Genius, as I don't think Steve vastly surpasses real world limits. I'm pretty sure everything listed there is possible IRL. I do agree with Genius being given, as Intelligence doesn't only cover academic intelligence.

I agree with this.