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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)


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Doggo said:
sucks that Lycoris Recoil has no s2 yet

I've recently been watching Detective Conan, so that's cool

L would be sick to see in an intelligence-based battle if Light vs Columbo goes well
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Having a bunch of detectives trying to solve a mystery first would be cool

I know Death Battle's whole brand is "To the death" but it would also be pretty cool to see regular cross-over stuff from them (They're willing to do different mediums such as an audio-cast for Light vs Columbo

Something like Detective Conan, L, Batman, Kyōko Kirigiri or Shūchi Saihara, and Benoit Blanc trying to solve a mystery before the other would be cool
 
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CharlesZaGreat said:
Having a bunch of detectives trying to solve a mystery first would be cool

I know Death Battle's whole brand is "To the death" but it would also be pretty cool to see regular cross-over stuff from them (They're willing to do different mediums such as an audio-cast for Light vs Columbo

Something like Detective Conan, L, Batman, Kyōko Kirigiri or Shūchi Saihara, and Benoit Blanc trying to solve a mystery before the other would be cool
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Maybe a death game? Where the first to solve a mystery lives while the others die. That would be a very unique idea.

I hope Ligth vs Columbo treata Ligth as an actual threat and not a bum who gets stomped by Columbo. Realistically, Columbo either dies or barely takes the win. I never understood the whole "Columbo stomps Ligth" thing Liam and the fans have been pushing.
 
Doggo said:
Maybe a death game? Where the first to solve a mystery lives while the others die. That would be a very unique idea.

I hope Ligth vs Columbo treata Ligth as an actual threat and not a bum who gets stomped by Columbo. Realistically, Columbo either dies or barely takes the win. I never understood the whole "Columbo stomps Ligth" thing Liam and the fans have been pushing
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I've been watching Columbo (Great show btw) and I think Columbo legit would drive Light mad (I did watch Death Note, so not totally ignorant on it, just been a while).

If Columbo doesn't figure out Kira is in Kanto Region (Which could still be a safe bet), the "fight" never happens, Light (ignoring nobody knows Columbo's first name) would have no reason to Death Note him, Columbo wouldn't know where to even start. So we can assume Columbo takes a gamble that this mystery vigilante is in the most populated and richest area, aka Kanto, given most deaths began in Japan.

Assuming this is Kira in his prime (After defeating L), then agents and investigators from other countries have already come to investigate the Kira case, an LA police officer wouldn't be too shocking. Light might quickly realize Columbo is playing stupid, but what can he really do? Again Columbo's first name is unknown and Light's only option is to use the Shinigami Eyes which would be totally out of character (He wouldn't use it on L, why would he shed his ego and half of his lifespan for a disheveled and bumbling Italo-American detective). Columbo also would likely know Kira is going to quickly be on to him but he's shown in the show he's a master at modulating his behavior to keep himself aloof to the murderer.

The gambit Near pulled at the end of Death Note is the type of thing Columbo does all the time, except here Light also doesn't have Mikami. He's alone. Just by looking at the targets and the schedule of the killings, Columbo would easily be able to understand that the most likely perpetrator is a school aged student with a vigilante streak and access to police records. L was lucky with the Lind L Taylor gambit but the only thing he gained was more quickly triangulating Kira to Kanto and determining he needs a face to kill. Even with a face to kill, Light wouldn't have a first name and I think Columbo might even realize that given he hasn't died yet confronting Kira who would definitely be realizing Columbo is more than he sees.

In the end it comes to final gambits, and Light's only worked with outside help to kill L while Columbo doesn't necessarily need outside out to entrap Light. Columbo just has more to work with than Light. Light beat L due to outside help and the investigation only lasted this long because L was intentionally kneecapping and nerfing himself out of pride and gamesmanship, Columbo would want results.
 
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TsukasayaEmmaDCD said:
Isn't light only Wiscons is that he take the eye deal (OoC)
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That or he finds in the LAPD database Columbo's real name. The issue is, maybe it's just fancanon, but all official stuff would have his fake name Frank, not his real name who nobody has. So if Light discovers Columbo's name is "Frank," it's just a dead end.
 
MagdalenusTenebrosus said:
I've been watching Columbo (Great show btw) and I think Columbo legit would drive Light mad (I did watch Death Note, so not totally ignorant on it, just been a while).

If Columbo doesn't figure out Kira is in Kanto Region (Which could still be a safe bet), the "fight" never happens, Light (ignoring nobody knows Columbo's first name) would have no reason to Death Note him, Columbo wouldn't know where to even start. So we can assume Columbo takes a gamble that this mystery vigilante is in the most populated and richest area, aka Kanto, given most deaths began in Japan.
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There is probably some other way for Columbo to narrow in on Ligth's position, tho. You just have to get creative with his strategy


MagdalenusTenebrosus said:
Assuming this is Kira in his prime (After defeating L), then agents and investigators from other countries have already come to investigate the Kira case, an LA police officer wouldn't be too shocking. Light might quickly realize Columbo is playing stupid, but what can he really do? Again Columbo's first name is unknown and Light's only option is to use the Shinigami Eyes which would be totally out of character (He wouldn't use it on L, why would he shed his ego and half of his lifespan for a disheveled and bumbling Italo-American detective). Columbo also would likely know Kira is going to quickly be on to him but he's shown in the show he's a master at modulating his behavior to keep himself aloof to the murderer.
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Considering Ligth killed L and Mello, whose identities are MUCH more secured than Columbo's (as in Mello only had one photo of him that he eventually took and L had no photos ever. L was also only using his first name, which is the opposite to what Columbo did), I doubt Columbo having a hidden first name is an issue. Besides, as the 2nd L, won't Light have the authority to contact Columbo's police department and make them spill out his real name? Light can also threaten the US president to release Columbo's name, just like how he killed most of the SPK in canon (Light made the president give out their identities).

If Ligth has EVERYTHING in his arsenal, he can just have Misa or Mikami to look at Columbo's face since they both have the shinigami eyes

MagdalenusTenebrosus said:
The gambit Near pulled at the end of Death Note is the type of thing Columbo does all the time, except here Light also doesn't have Mikami. He's alone. Just by looking at the targets and the schedule of the killings, Columbo would easily be able to understand that the most likely perpetrator is a school aged student with a vigilante streak and access to police records. L was lucky with the Lind L Taylor gambit but the only thing he gained was more quickly triangulating Kira to Kanto and determining he needs a face to kill. Even with a face to kill, Light wouldn't have a first name and I think Columbo might even realize that given he hasn't died yet confronting Kira who would definitely be realizing Columbo is more than he sees.

In the end it comes to final gambits, and Light's only worked with outside help to kill L while Columbo doesn't necessarily need outside out to entrap Light. Columbo just has more to work with than Light. Light beat L due to outside help and the investigation only lasted this long because L was intentionally kneecapping and nerfing himself out of pride and gamesmanship, Columbo would want results.
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I already highlighted the many ways Light could get hold of Columbo's identity. You also missed a TON of context in regards to Near's gamble. Near would have died to Light if it weren't for Mello's sacrifice. Mello kidnapped Takada, which forced Mikami to get the real notebook, which exposed Ligth's fake notebook plan. Had Mello and Near not put aside their differences and worked together, Light would have won. It's also part of the narrative, Near and Mello working together made them "surpass" L, who failed to stop Kira. Basically, Near needed outside help to win.

Wdym L was kneecapping himself? Sure, he was prideful, but I fail to see how he was limiting himself.
 
MagdalenusTenebrosus said:
In the end it comes to final gambits, and Light's only worked with outside help to kill L while Columbo doesn't necessarily need outside out to entrap Light. Columbo just has more to work with than Light. Light beat L due to outside help and the investigation only lasted this long because L was intentionally kneecapping and nerfing himself out of pride and gamesmanship, Columbo would want results.
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Lies, without his wife Columbo wouldn't solve half of the cases he takes /s.
 
TsukasayaEmmaDCD said:
Isn't light only Wiscons is that he take the eye deal (OoC)
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No. He can use his title as the 2nd L to make Columbo's police department give him his identity or simply threaten the US president with the DN like how he made him give the identities of the SPK members.
 
Doggo said:
No. He can use his title as the 2nd L to make Columbo's police department give him his identity or simply threaten the US president with the DN like how he made him give the identities of the SPK members.
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That would count as outside help by Death Battle rules I'm pretty sure.

Also for the first method wouldn't Columbo already be likely to know something like that would happen and contact the LAPD to tell them not to disclose anything to "2nd L" as he's a prime suspect? Assuming this is happening in the 2000s, Columbo has hundreds of cases solved and 30 years of experience and they're going to trust his judgement and not release his real identity.

Light killed L through external memes, by blackmailing a shinigami into protecting Misa. This isn't something he can just so easily replicate, he has no external help beyond maybe Ryuk who is an unreliable troll who'd rather watch things play out.
 
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MagdalenusTenebrosus said:
That would count as outside help by Death Battle rules I'm pretty sure.

Also for the first method wouldn't Columbo already be likely to know something like that would happen and contact the LAPD to tell them not to disclose anything to "2nd L" as he's a prime suspect? Assuming this is happening in the 2000s, Columbo has hundreds of cases solved and 30 years of experience and they're going to trust his judgement and not release his real identity.
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It's not outside help when that's him using his authority and powers. Only Misa and Mikami count as outside help

No one knows Ligth is the 2nd L, since L's death was never announced. Besides, if you were the police, why would you listen to some hobo detective over the guy called the best detective in the world?

Have you seen my reply to your last comment?
 
Doggo said:
It's not outside help when that's him using his authority and powers. Only Misa and Mikami count as outside help

No one knows Ligth is the 2nd L, since L's death was never announced. Besides, if you were the police, why would you listen to some hobo detective over the guy called the best detective in the world?

Have you seen my reply to your last comment?
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I've seen your reply

L is extrmely successful in his 10 year career, and in raw numbers he solved about 50x more cases than Columbo, but Columbo has helped them since the late 60s, he would have around 35 years of experience with the LAPD and got his guy every single time. They're going to trust the guy whose been part of their department longer saying something is not right about L and not to disclose his name more than an international detective even if that detective has a vastly denser win record.

Also coercing the president to disclose information is outside help even if its through Light's commanding ability. it's still taking a person outside of the battle and forcing them into it to win.
 
MagdalenusTenebrosus said:
I've seen your reply

L is extrmely successful in his 10 year career, and in raw numbers he solved about 50x more cases than Columbo, but Columbo has helped them since the late 60s, he would have around 35 years of experience with the LAPD and got his guy every single time. They're going to trust the guy whose been part of their department longer saying something is not right about L more than an international detective even if that detective has a vastly denser win record.
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Fair. But I doubt Columbo would realize (at least not immediately) that the real L is dead and is replace by Kira.
 
MagdalenusTenebrosus said:
That would count as outside help by Death Battle rules I'm pretty sure.

Also for the first method wouldn't Columbo already be likely to know something like that would happen and contact the LAPD to tell them not to disclose anything to "2nd L" as he's a prime suspect? Assuming this is happening in the 2000s, Columbo has hundreds of cases solved and 30 years of experience and they're going to trust his judgement and not release his real identity.
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I like your suggestion of how Columbo would get around that tactic, but I think with how unique this Death Battle is, the standard rules won't apply. Death Battle uses combatants at their best, and Light, while not as quick-witted and tenacious as his part 1 self, has much more influence and power at his disposal when he's chief of police and has a worldwide cult. It's how he dealt with the task force sent against him initially.
 
Doggo said:
Fair. But I doubt Columbo would realize (at least not immediately) that the real L is dead and is replace by Kira.
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Light matching Kira's profile wouldn't change. In fact L actually being Light in the internal investigation would raise even more alarm bells, pretty sure there is episodes where he's dealt with cases where the key informant or investigator in a murder case was the murderer himself so it's not out of the realm of possibility, especially since Light still matches the profile of what Columbo would easily assume Kira is - a young former school student who has an idealistic vigilante streak.
 
Hunterzillas said:
I like your suggestion of how Columbo would get around that tactic, but I think with how unique this Death Battle is, the standard rules won't apply. Death Battle uses combatants at their best, and Light, while not as quick-witted and tenacious as his part 1 self, has much more influence and power at his disposal when he's chief of police and has a worldwide cult. It's how he dealt with the task force sent against him initially.
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Correction, he only becomes the leader of the Kira task force and is a popular police guy; he did not become the police chief. But yeah, Ligth's influence is frankly absurd. Bro has a ridiculous information network. Heck, if Ligth somehow can't get Columbo's identity, nothing is stopping him from exposing his face to the public, which will cause his cult to hunt him down. Kira's cult was shown willing to attack the SPK building after Ligth doxxed their location, nothing is stopping a random goon from killing Columbo in the name of their "god" unless Columbo anticipates this and prepares beforehand.
 
MagdalenusTenebrosus said:
Light matching Kira's profile wouldn't change. In fact L actually being Light in the internal investigation would raise even more alarm bells, pretty sure there is episodes where he's dealt with cases where the key informant or investigator in a murder case was the murderer himself so it's not out of the realm of possibility, especially since Light still matches the profile of what Columbo would easily assume Kira is - a young former school student who has an idealistic vigilante streak.
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That's assuming Columbo meets Light in person. Light would not come face to face with him, he did not even meet Mello, and it was only until the end did he met Near. He only met L when he was still the underdog. Also, no one except the Kira task force knows Light is L, not even the literal NPA chief knew about this. The Kira task force made it seem L was still alive to avoid mass panic. Also, knowing Kira is Light is not enough; Columbo still needs to prove it before Light kills him. L, Mello, and Near knew Ligth's identity, but L lacked the proof, and Near barely won because of Mello's sacrifice and plan made Ligth expose his plan. This is just another L scenario, Columbo figures out Kira's identity but lacks the evidence to prove it, and dies.
 
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