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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

I feel like Simon is gonna pull the low-godly regen+durability negation (via probability missiles) combo if Kyle ends up stronger, or it becomes a stalemate unless Kyle can bypass that regen
Speaking of his regen, they provided the quote that shows Nia was destined to be deleted but overcame it for a week through regeeneration, but where was the fact it was on an informational level from? Just an extrapolation? An interview? Guidebook?
 
Speaking of his regen, they provided the quote that shows Nia was destined to be deleted but overcame it for a week through regeeneration, but where was the fact it was on an informational level from? Just an extrapolation? An interview? Guidebook?
I am not sure about the informational level honestly, but they did show a scan on the episode. But yes, Nia overcame existence erasure for a week via willpower. However, she did ultimately succumb tho.
 
It could have been Ion. I mentioned how I would hvae had the mid-fight go. It would be Ion going back to the beginning of the fight to snipe Simon, just to be shot at all points of space and time by SGGL.
I've always envisioned such a scene back when Will of the Drill first came out lol

A golden opportunity to have a Kratosura style alternate ending but not complete ass AND a meme reference that Death Battle is known for? My God, this would have bumped the episode up from a 95 to a 98/100!
More meta jokes will nice.
 
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That model for the Afton amalgamation is so ******* fire, did you make that? If not, where did you get it from?
 
My favorite moment in these DB threads was when Obito vs Darth Vader dropped and Weekly got so mad about it that he raged for weeks and got banned because of it.

I know it's not healthy, but there's something about toxicity that breathes new life to these threads when things start stagnating.
When does Weekly come back?
 
So like, I’ve heard like Godzilla Ultima’s breathe can delete people causally? Would Hulk being a fixed point in time counter that? Cause I remember the maker tried to undo him and prevent his existence but he was never able to due to him being a fixed point in time
 
Yeah but Kyle was different enough from Hal that it could work. I don't know if Robbie would be unique enough. It's like how Miles worked because he has powers of his own while Gwen was just "What if we used Spider-Man but weaker?" and the episode was overall boring even if you ignore how much of an obvious stomp it was.

Well he possessed its corpse. He didn't just grab onto a still living Celestial and take control of its body.
Robbie should be unique enough. He drives a different vehicle, he has knives a chainsaw he can fight with, and as the All-Rider, he can ride virtually anything which they could explore more in the right matchup.
 
So here is the number I got for hitting all points of space within a planck time:

Universe volume = 3.556(10)^80 cubic meters

Planck length = 1.616(10)^-35 meters

Assuming the universe is a string with a volume of 3.556(10)^80 cubic meters and a diameter of 1.616(10)^-35 meters

3.556(10)^80 cubic meters and a diameter of 1.616(10)^-35 meters

Now if you assume this line is "circular" it would have a radius that's half a planck length, which makes no sense. At this fundamental level it'd be a square to find the cross-sectional area:

(1.616(10)^-35 meters)^2

2.611(10)^-70 square meters

3.556(10)^80 cubic meters/2.611(10)^-70 square meters

= 1.362(10)^150 meters

Planck time = 5.391(10)^-43 seconds

1.362(10)^150 meters/5.391(10)^-43 seconds

= 2.526(10)^193 meters per second, or 8.427(10)^183 times faster than light

Even higher than what Death Battle got it, by a massive gap
 
So like, I’ve heard like Godzilla Ultima’s breathe can delete people causally? Would Hulk being a fixed point in time counter that? Cause I remember the maker tried to undo him and prevent his existence but he was never able to due to him being a fixed point in time
I'm going to need a citation. A bunch of monster-of-the-week mooks once undid Banner's ability to transform by tampering with time.
 
So here is the number I got for hitting all points of space within a planck time:

Universe volume = 3.556(10)^80 cubic meters

Planck length = 1.616(10)^-35 meters

Assuming the universe is a string with a volume of 3.556(10)^80 cubic meters and a diameter of 1.616(10)^-35 meters

3.556(10)^80 cubic meters and a diameter of 1.616(10)^-35 meters

Now if you assume this line is "circular" it would have a radius that's half a planck length, which makes no sense. At this fundamental level it'd be a square to find the cross-sectional area:

(1.616(10)^-35 meters)^2

2.611(10)^-70 square meters

3.556(10)^80 cubic meters/2.611(10)^-70 square meters

= 1.362(10)^150 meters

Planck time = 5.391(10)^-43 seconds

1.362(10)^150 meters/5.391(10)^-43 seconds

= 2.526(10)^193 meters per second, or 8.427(10)^183 times faster than light

Even higher than what Death Battle got it, by a massive gap
So Simon had a better finite speed then everyone so far even lower then this one you did, insane
 
Here is G1's justification for Source level Kyle:

In fact we can go further with Monitor Brother scaling. In The Unexpected series, the titular group of heroes travel to the Monitor’s Sphere and confront Mandrakk the Dark Monitor. Yes, the same one from Final Crisis that fought the Thought Robot. Despite being able to shake the entirety of Nil and his battle with the Bad Samaritan threatening to destroy the entire Monitor’s Sphere, heroes like Hawkman could take Mandrakk on directly, deflecting his attacks and surviving numerous blows from the vampiric anti-god. And retroactively, Death Metal had Darkseid’s fall in Final Crisis ripple into the Monitor Sphere. During the Perpetua saga preceding Death Metal, the Anti-Monitor dominating a fusion with both his brothers, amped by the Totality, and having repossessed the Anti-Life Equation at a state he describes as the most powerful he’d ever felt was defeated by… John Stewart ramming him with The Flash’s car. ‘Cause comics. While you could argue the car was juiced on Speedforce shenanigans, John himself is damn near the epicenter of the explosion so he’d likely scale to a portion of it anyways.

The third chain scaling would be Kyle being comparable to New 52 Anti-Monitor via the Life Equation, who’s able to directly fight an amped New-52 Darkseid, who Yuga Khan was comparable to when Darkseid was younger. Yuga Khan had the power of Shazam and with it, outright punched a hole through the Source. Shazam at this time was powered by several Old Gods, which allowed him to be able to beat Yuga Khan. Anti-Monitor was able to beat Darkseid with the Anti-Life Equation, and the Life Equation is equal to it. To tldr: Yuga Khan =< amped Darkseid < Anti-Monitor with ALE = White Lantern Kyle with LE. For further support, it’s heavily implied that Mobius, the Anti-Monitor’s original state before he found Anti-Life, is still stronger than “God of Gods” Shazam who beat and added Yuga Khan to his power, yet Steve Trevor of all people with the ALE just 1-shot Mobius shortly after he received it. So Kyle with more experience using the Life Equation should easily compare to and surpass Steve’s usage of it.

In conclusion, Kyle with the White Lantern Ring and Life Equation, has avenues to scale to characters from the Godsphere, Monitor Sphere, Sixth Dimension, and The Source respectively, which all depend on how high you have each in a cosmological scope. No matter what though, Kyle, with the Life Equation, can interact with and affect a part of the DC cosmology that shares an R>F transcendence with its lower denizens, as the Godsphere, Monitor Sphere, and Sixth Dimension are fiction; nothing, but a dream of the Source, granting Kyle also Outerversal levels of power, as the Life Equation makes up part of this Source alongside the Anti-Life Equation, both of which are two parts of a whole that they can consistently affect in its entirety, with various actions affecting everything up to the Source itself, such as the Crisis on Infinite Earths causing a crack in the Source; said examples are things Kyle should be comparable too.
They just had it at baseline outerversal

I don't know much about DC post flashpoint, how valid is this scaling?

Sometimes I wish TTGL got its own Shin sequel that had multi R>F levels scaling
 
I'm going to need a citation. A bunch of monster-of-the-week mooks once undid Banner's ability to transform by tampering with time.
I think they're referring to Ultimate Invasion? The premise of that comic series has the Maker travel to an alternate universe and tamper with its history to prevent various Marvel superheroes fron coming about (Peter never got bit by the spider, the Fantastic Four all died on their trip except Reed, etc.). However, Hulk was one of the few heroes he COULDN'T prevent from coming into existance due to it being a fixed point in time.
 
So my final opinion on the fight that while I'm happy Simon won and I do believe he actually takes it in terms of abilities, levels of willpower, adaptation, and if he was on a similar ontological level he'd probably overcome the LE too... The issue is you have to use the lowest level interpretation to have the LE at that level (Godsphere level) for Simon's abilities to actually mean much. Death Battle intentionally went with the lower intepretation of Kyle to make Simon win which fine but still.
 
So my final opinion on the fight that while I'm happy Simon won and I do believe he actually takes it in terms of abilities, levels of willpower, adaptation, and if he was on a similar ontological level he'd probably overcome the LE too... The issue is you have to use the lowest level interpretation to have the LE at that level (Godsphere level) for Simon's abilities to actually mean much. Death Battle intentionally went with the lower intepretation of Kyle to make Simon win which fine but still.
I feel like that too tbh. Considering how contentious 1A GL was for most people, the fact they seemingly gave Simon that and then some while going with LE Kyle’s lower ends to squeak out a win is noticeable. This feels like HulkBroly where I’m happy the character I was rooting for won even though I felt deep down the other should have taken it tbh.
 
I feel like that too tbh. Considering how contentious 1A GL was for most people, the fact they seemingly gave Simon that and then some while going with LE Kyle’s lower ends to squeak out a win is noticeable. This feels like HulkBroly where I’m happy the character I was rooting for won even though I felt deep down the other should have taken it tbh.
I am actually fine with 1-A GL, the two main pieces of evidence work together well. I don't know if it's as egregious as Brosura where Broly was a dead man walking who somehow survived when he shouldn't. DC has kind of shit the bed with cosmic consistency and it's hard to tell how much of it is CIS or PIS or whatever nowadays. It's at the whim of the author if the LE/ALE is Godsphere level or Source level.
 
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