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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

dont care if its wrong or right its just another ******* wank fest for series that was not Uni for ages. Sure sure, series that takes place one planet as main setting is totally uni legit teehee
I haven't looked into the feats and / or statements that get them to universal, but saying it can't be legit om the basis the setting most of the time is a planet is really bad reasoning. Saying it's an outlier or that whatever got them to universal isn't actually universal yeah, fair line of thinking, but the setting?

If someone actually pulls off something that's cosmic in scale why does the setting matter? It'd be like dismissing Sephiroths supernova and the Knights of the Round Table destroying a dimension containing galaxies because the main setting for FF7 is just a single planet. Like judge the rating on how legit the feats and statements that get that high are or if said rating is actually consistent, not if the people that perform the feats and scale to them spend all their time in a single country or whatever.
 
Setting is more limitation on consistency and validity of high end feats, which maybe it might have validity in MMX case, as I dont know it yet, but a lot of VS ignores this so Im doubtful.

Afaik FF actually makes it a lore point that Summons unironically trap enemies in another dimension, so there is some validity for them, or at least argument.

And frankly, current shit state of VS is because we gave it a pass. I guess I should shutup because, well its not like it will ever be fixed. Pointless yelling in internet. Oh well.
 
Setting is more limitation on consistency and validity of high end feats, which maybe it might have validity in MMX case, as I dont know it yet, but a lot of VS ignores this so Im doubtful.
Oh 100% the setting will more often then not be a limiting factor on stuff like this but that's mostly due to how far people are willing to push the scope of power rather than a set in stone standard that a story needs to have it's setting be on the same scope as it's feats.. Normal fantasy stories are rarely gonna have their uber powerful dark lords push past tier 6 because it'd be weird for them to just like, randomly blow up a distant planet, but there's a few that will just be like fuck it the main hero physically overpowered a spell that some wizard cast that was moving constellations while still keeping the story's setting stuck to a small region in a small country.

Afaik FF actually makes it a lore point that Summons unironically trap enemies in another dimension, so there is some validity for them, or at least argument.
That's what I mean, game takes place on a single planet 99.99% of the time, but there's times where they involve other dimensions which allows for feats that go way beyond the scope of the planet (Although the remake trilogy is going wild with timeline shit that's tied to the planet lol). I haven't had a real look into the stuff being used for universal MMX but having a skim I saw it involves alternate universes and such too.

I guess I should shutup because, well its not like it will ever be fixed. Pointless yelling in internet. Oh well.
Pointless yelling is the point of the internet, it's why we're all here to complain about this shitass hobby in the first place.
 
What did DB have X in the battle royal?
Was it large planet? 57 quadrillion megatons of TNT going by Wiki recap.

Screw it, I'll take a look at the CRT arguments as well.
  1. Sigma & Techno are able to manipulate a Cyberworld that is Tier2/4D.
  2. Zero Virus creates pocket dimensions, XDive supports that they are universes
  3. Omega creates a Cyberspace in MMZ
Yeah, its a me thing, but these are things are generally sth I dont care for. The setting problem for me here is, that in real world MMX characters generally are not written as planet+ lvl characters, yet accepting weird pocket dimension stuff as legit just makes them as T2 4D uni. Its not like this is MMX problem either. Sure, we can accept that characters dont need to destroy stuff with their full power in every fight, but the gap is so huge Id want better evidence actually.

Should have been like Chad God of War and create the normal universe by punching teehee
 
X was put barely below planetary (57 quad MT is just barely 2 zettatons below baseline planet level). Although their reasoning for it was... completely made up lol. They said it came from being able to harm the General who tanked a planet destroying laser, issue is that the game seems to portray it as him stopping the laser from being fired in the first place, and regardless he ends up destroyed in the process of stopping it lol.
 
MMX characters generally are not written as planet+ lvl characters
I'll have you know that in MMX5 the space colony Eurasia was clearly written with the intent of crashing into earth with far beyond low multiversal force which is why X and the others couldn't simply blast it or something with their normal weapons, much like how in SA2 the space colony ARK was gonna crash into earth with far beyond low muliversal force which is why Super Sonic and Super Shadow couldn't physically stop it.
 
SA2 stuff doesnt also support high tier shit either yeah. Sonic is messy in that a lot of Super feats got waaay higher in later games, but we also know that Emeroods have been around so long that its not like theyd get stronger. Youd then think that all characters have unique stats for Super forms but then Classic Sonic got into fight with Time Eater and wellp.

Its kind of a mess too :V
 
Does X win against his most popular MU's? Like, Andriod 17, Cyborg, Primal, and Samus?
Samus he def wins. Even ignoring anything in his own games I think he ends up stomping her just on the basis of upscaling from classic era Mega Man.

Android 17 he def ain't winning most places outside here. And even with the AP advantage VSBW has now given X, he's too aslow to ever land anything on him, haven't checked the exact numbers for for 17 the speed scaling chain is so high that X is gonna be frozen in time from his perspective.

Cyborg, ehhh, could be argued to be herald level (DB would probs put him there) in which case nope X ain't winning no matter what. But if you don't buy herald level for him than I'm 99.99% sure X is blitzing and one shotting.

No idea about primal, gonna need a Transformers expert to weigh in on that.
 
SA2 stuff doesnt also support high tier shit either yeah. Sonic is messy in that a lot of Super feats got waaay higher in later games, but we also know that Emeroods have been around so long that its not like theyd get stronger. Youd then think that all characters have unique stats for Super forms but then Classic Sonic got into fight with Time Eater and wellp.

Its kind of a mess too :V
And that's why we were like "Super Sonic got stronger over time afterwords" to compensate for this.
 
And that's why we were like "Super Sonic got stronger over time afterwords" to compensate for this.
Yeah, but people also really like to use "character is powered up by McGuffin? He gets full power of it then", which is issue since Emeralds are so old and even sort of matched The End prior events of games, so like, if we allow max potential of item when it amps, it would still make all Super forms get highest stuff.

I dont like McGuffin usages to be allowed to get max potential either :V
 
Would this end up being a Flash vs Sonic situation where they said that they matched in a specific stat but because Wally could also absorb the speed from Sonic it would mean that he'd always be faster? We know that Kyle is gonna get energy draining as an ability which is like the one thing that we never see Simon actually do from what I remember. When the Anti Spiral hit them with that Big Bang blast it required Lordgenome to sacrifice himself for them to be able to absorb/redirect it. Simon never actually absorbs energy on his own, it took Lordgenome doing so for him and turning it into a drill.

So Kyle and Simon would be equal in power but Kyle being able to drain Simon would mean that he'd always be stronger even if Simon can just regain said spiral power, meaning that Simon is just an unlimited source of power for Kyle like how Sonic was an unlimited source of speed for Wally.
 
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Part of me both dreads & pities the cast member that will have to argue in favor of the lions.

Also, unironically, Linoone solos.

Generation IX​

A Pokémon with Pickup recovers its consumed held item at the end of the turn in a battle against a wild Pokémon.


I'd say lions qualify as "Battle against wild Pokemon.".

Berries like Leppa (Restores PP.) & Sitrus (Restores 25% of HP.)

There are multiple wild Pokemon that can hold a Leppa Berries, though none get Pickup. (Though item/ability transfer is possible.)

However, Linoone can hold Sitrus Berries.

Wild Zigzagoon can hold Oran Berries.

(Among other Pokemon. There's probably also Pokemon that can hold the 5 other type of healing berries, which heal more than Sitrus, but confuse if they don't have 1 of the 5 type of natures that likes the flavours of that berries.)


Also, someone tell them that Bite isn't a Dark-type move when used by a non-Pokemon lion:


  • Meadow Plate: "The powers of Plates are shared among Pokémon."
This references type energy. Arceus gets the power of the type of the plates it holds, Pokemon use energy projections even for physical attacks in the anime, etc. There may be other details, IIRC.

Typed in a rush.
 
how high into 2-C is Meta Knight again?
"15 or 16 universes" scaling to this guy

 
Infinite berries won't help after being mauled by a lion. Plus the cast is doing Pokemon vs 1 TRILLION Lions instead of the usual billion. No idea how the Pokemon are meant to win.
 
Infinite berries won't help after being mauled by a lion. Plus the cast is doing Pokemon vs 1 TRILLION Lions instead of the usual billion. No idea how the Pokemon are meant to win.
Lion ain't mauling Small Building Level like Baby Pokemon. Heck, even with piercing, they ain't harming no Small City Level like first stages. (Ex: Bellsprout or something.)
 

Lion #1000000000000 after seeing all 99999999999 of its brethren get vaporized at once;
a drawing of a naked man with stitches on his arms and legs
 
Ugh, they're doing that "the Pokedex is lies" shtick now.

Here I am, bringing serious arguments to this debate, & you're trolling.

Sincerely, in this moment I wish severe pain upon you.

You as well.

And you, while I'm at it.
Double it and give it to the next person(you probably)
 
Pokemon win if any cosmic Legendaries are used, no ifs no buts.

If they didnt use Legendaries, Lions have a shot if you factor that technically the mass of billion lions might create shenanigans. But thats probably too hypothetical.
 
Does X win against his most popular MU's? Like, Andriod 17, Cyborg, Primal, and Samus?
17 cooks the whole MM franchise in every other versus space but ironically gets one shot by this site's stats

Cyborg would stomp by both DB and VSBW stats (if he had a Post-Crisis or Rebirth profile). He could arguably win with a thought via Technopathy.

X always beat Samus tbh
 
Thank you for your expression of suffering.
Pokemon win if any cosmic Legendaries are used, no ifs no buts.

If they didnt use Legendaries, Lions have a shot if you factor that technically the mass of billion lions might create shenanigans. But thats probably too hypothetical.
They sincerely don't need Legendaries.

Gyarados can thrash all night & destroy citieis, it & Salamence alike razing whole landscapes. Machamp can shove a mountain on them. Tyranitar can destroy the whole mountain range that Machamp shoved onto them.
Camerupt erupts & turns the arena into a molten wasteland.
Rhyhorn, Rhydon, & Rhyperior are practically invulnerable by feats/statements. The lions' teeth will break on their bones, unironically.

LeafGreenIts massive bones are 1,000 times harder than human bones. Its Tackle can knock a semitrailer flying.

You ain't biting through rock & whatever Rhyhorn's body is made of.


Even WITHOUT the Pokedex, Pokemon can smash through boulders just by ramming into them without stopping (Tauros, Sharpedo as Ride Pokemon in S/V), survive exerting force enough to move huge obstacles & stones (Machamp ride Pokemon, anyone using Strength.), climb raging, towering Waterfalls while enduring the force that much water pounding down on them would inflict....

Team Galactic's Pokemon drained a whole lake, yet when you interact with the NPC Magikarp, which are still moving, they're said to be full of live, & EVERY Pokemon scales above Magikarp, which survives that enormous blast.

Pokemon can harm Pokemon world humans, even when regular kids like Brendan/May can survive huge falls in Sky Pillar, Rei/Akarai can survive being attacked by wild Pokemon, numerous trainers train with their own Pokemon....

All this is from the games.
 
A lion doesn't concern himself with the opinions of pokemon.
Yeah, because it's an ignorant, unthinking animal that can scarcely grasp theory of mind, let alone coordination beyond what its genetics have programmed positive associations for into it.
 
Wait what technicality is this? EXE stuff?
Nah it's just the cyberspace (X Version) and Zero Space stuff making them scale to 27 universes while DBS top tiers scale to 6 universes. EXE is actually weaker and slower than X on this wiki now (And apparently might be getting downgraded in the future to being the weakest version of Mega Man besides volnutt?).
 
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