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Touhou Discussion Thread 4 ⌈Fossilized Wonders Edition⌋

I really do keep underestimating how outdated this verse is. Does anyone have plans to redo the high-godly regen and NEP upgrade CRT?
Seeing as the new game is likely to introduce a big change in the cosmology, I think it's wise to wait for complete information before acting on any form of cosmology CRTs. Still, others are welcome to try and update it - I am simply refraining until then to save myself and others the potential drag of needing to re-update such changes.

Other things are automatically shifted on my priority till' the game releases in August - things such as our physiology explanations. In light of that, I will be refocusing my efforts towards the Ability Card CRT so that we can ready ourselves for Touhou 18 character profiles. This has been in the works for several months now on my end.
 
One more thing before I go to lunch. Jaimers, one of the best SHMUP players in the world, recently did a play-through of the new game's Demo. If you want some decent lunatic gameplay of the new game, he's an interesting watch!;

 
I am wondering why is there not yet an infinite speed (or maybe immeasurable in the future) blog explanation for the verse, given how contentious all the feats are.

Remember that extremely controversial feats such such levels (like Battle of Gods' Universal shockwaves) have always blogs justifying why are used on wiki while also debunking all the most common counter-points used against the feat.

Is it lazyness, or it's one of the future projects?
 
Is it lazyness, or it's one of the future projects?
At this juncture I would like to think there's enough of a case for a discussion rule. Personally (and independent of what others think) I view the last attempt as opportunistic of Saikou, seeing as Fujiwara's ban was making the waves right before it was made. But that's besides what I mean to say.

It's a future project for sure and something that's high in priority. As for laziness? Doubt it. This verse just needs more people to work on it. I for one am grateful that we've had CRT's passed in the last few months. There's been more and more interest with the verse lately and I'm hopeful we'll see more positive things happen.
 
At this juncture I would like to think there's enough of a case for a discussion rule. Personally (and independent of what others think) I view the last attempt as opportunistic of Saikou, seeing as Fujiwara's ban was making the waves right before it was made. But that's besides what I mean to say.

It's a future project for sure and something that's high in priority. As for laziness? Doubt it. This verse just needs more people to work on it. I for one am grateful that we've had CRT's passed in the last few months. There's been more and more interest with the verse lately and I'm hopeful we'll see more positive things happen.
A discussion rule is not a reason to prevent a blog, especially when we have things like these as I said (Dragon Ball and Pokémon respectively, all of them have blog links which I've bolded):

Do not attempt to dispute Goku scaling above his Super Saiyan God form with the argument that he didn't maintain its power; the evidence makes clear that he did, and downgrade attempts have been repeatedly rejected.

Do not try to downgrade Arceus, the Creation Trio, and any characters scaling from them from 2-B/2-A based on Pokémon consistently below that level harming them. The established lore and their feats across the franchise solidly place these characters at 2-B/2-A, and extensive discussion deemed these anti-feats as Game Mechanics-induced Plot-Induced Stupidity.
 
A discussion rule is not a reason to prevent a blog, especially when we have things like these as I said (Dragon Ball and Pokémon respectively, all of them have blog links which I've bolded):
Oops. I got lost in the sauce.

Yeah, I wouldn't be opposed to a blog.
 
Fuji already had a decent work-in-progress blog about the arguments for and against Infinite Speed 2hoe, we could work off that.
 
True.

There's also several downgrade threads that we can analyze and work with in regards to addressing common arguments.
 
Getting tired of having to re-explaining the mechanics of her abilities.

MU results are trivial compared to people not having proper or concise information on such a prolific series. That's why we're at where we are now.
It's more or so the fact that some just don't want to check what's on the profile themselves and would choose others to tell them.
 
 
One of the major issues I see with the Touhou pages is that it does not use the <ref name> function for the references, which makes the References section VERY bloated and hard to read, and editing the pages in general sounds a pain.

Is there anyone willing to fix this issue?
 
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One of the major issues I see with the Touhou pages is that it does not use the <ref name> function for the references, which makes the References section VERY bloated and hard to read, and editing the pages in general sounds a pain.

Is there anyone willing to fix this issue?
Idk y'all but Kirby profiles already were criticized for this.

I do think it's a relevant enough issue that cannot be really ignored.
 
One of the major issues I see with the Touhou pages is that it does not use the <ref name> function for the references, which makes the References section VERY bloated and hard to read, and editing the pages in general sounds a pain.

Is there anyone willing to fix this issue?
Which pages are you referring to? Or is this an issue with every page?
 
Fingers crossed that there's more comsology stuff explained in 20.

Really hoping they explain how the Sanctuary managed to stay hidden behind its own barrier within Gensokyo all these years - especially when even the literal Land of Forgotten Things Gensokyo forgot it existed.
 
At this juncture I wouldn't be opposed to a rework of all profiles. Granted this sort of thing is easier said than done.
I just checked Reimu and Yukari's profiles, the former has 145 references and the latter 139. The rest more or less has 30 references at minimum, all with the same problem of spamming the same reference, making it extremely bloated, also because just in Reimu's profile I have noticed that the wordings have inconsistencies, like "Unidentified Fantastic Object - Marisa A Scenario" and "Undefined Fantastic Object, Marisa's A scenario".

It is actually easy, just that is very lenghty. When I have to work with profiles requiring a lot of references (373 and 113 references, for instance), I'd apply the following method (I use just the following as examples).

CASE 1: Game

The reference in question is "Perfect Cherry Blossom, Reimu's Scenario". In this case, you apply the following:

For the first, use this:
<ref name="PCB Reimu Scenario">Perfect Cherry Blossom, Reimu's Scenario</ref>

Then for the case where it's repeated, you use just this:

<ref name="PCB Reimu Scenario"/>

Pretty easy, amrite?

The same can be repeated for specific A/B scenarios and endings, etc, just use a simplified version of it that can be easily memorized.

CASE 2: Manga

This is also easy. For "Wild and Horned Hermit, Chapter 23", just use:

<ref name="WaHH Ch23">Wild and Horned Hermit, Chapter 23</ref>

Then for the case where it's repeated, you use just this:

<ref name="WaHH Ch23"/>

For all the other medias or documents, while there is not a specific method, you can always use some kind of easy to remember abbreviation as well, it's entirely up to you what to use, as long as the References are consistent with each other in formatting and wording.

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To also have an instant understanding on what references are copies, you can copy-paste the list of references in the profiles to fix in a website that puts lists in alphabetical order, like this one.
 
Ah, so it's not as big an issue as I thought.

I have noticed that the wordings have inconsistencies, like "Unidentified Fantastic Object - Marisa A Scenario" and "Undefined Fantastic Object, Marisa's A scenario".
I imagine a lot of those references were added over time without much attention to tidiness. Definitely an issue, yeah. On a separate note, I don't think we need strict uniformity across profiles when it comes to wording format - like your examples above. As long as each individual profile sticks to a single format throughout, that feels like a solid minimum standard. I'll be sure to keep this in mind going forwards as well.

For the first, use this:

Then for the case where it's repeated, you use just this:

Pretty easy, amrite?
Makes sense. I will say, though, that Fandom’s tools should be capable of handling this automatically to some extent. But realistically, I doubt many users know how to use BBCode Toggle properly - if at all. That lack of know-how on that front could definitely be contributing to the inconsistency issue.

For all the other medias or documents, while there is not a specific method, you can always use some kind of easy to remember abbreviation as well, it's entirely up to you what to use, as long as the References are consistent with each other in formatting and wording.
That’s fair. I’d just add that I don’t think formatting has to be standardized across all profiles. For instance, one could use “Unidentified Fantastic Object - Marisa A Scenario” while another uses “Undefined Fantastic Object, Marisa’s A scenario”, etc. - as long as the formatting is consistent within each profile.

Also, I’ve been meaning to do a bullet-point cleanup sweep for a while now. A member recently reworked Flandre’s profile to improve readability (thank you, person I forgot the name of). What’s been holding me back is that our Physiologies are outdated, and I feel like that should be addressed first or packaged with it. My hands have been tied compiling cosmology stuff lately.
 
I imagine a lot of those references were added over time without much attention to tidiness. Definitely an issue, yeah. On a separate note, I don't think we need strict uniformity across profiles when it comes to wording format - like your examples above. As long as each individual profile sticks to a single format throughout, that feels like a solid minimum standard. I'll be sure to keep this in mind going forwards as well.
It's common sense tbf. It's not explicitly said, but a sense of aestetics still is there.
Makes sense. I will say, though, that Fandom’s tools should be capable of handling this automatically to some extent. But realistically, I doubt many users know how to use BBCode Toggle properly - if at all. That lack of know-how on that front could definitely be contributing to the inconsistency issue.
When the references are that different in formatting and coding it's a bit hard. Besides, I did suggest an example above on how to identify copies.
That’s fair. I’d just add that I don’t think formatting has to be standardized across all profiles. For instance, one could use “Unidentified Fantastic Object - Marisa A Scenario” while another uses “Undefined Fantastic Object, Marisa’s A scenario”, etc. - as long as the formatting is consistent within each profile.
Sure, but I expect it to be the same within the same profile at least.
 
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