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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

If Mag isnt lying about context, then yeah Id say a lot of things he says seems to make sense. But like, DBs research has kind of gotten sloppy so I dont know wth theyll really do, so the defaul is wank for comics duo.

Also yeah, from quick glance, comic duo kind of have become way stronger in research years. Like during Immortal Hulk, Bruce didnt land hits on street tiers but next run had him fight Thorforce Thor. Not to mention shit like KiB Venom and DC's messes too.
 
If Mag isnt lying about context, then yeah Id say a lot of things he says seems to make sense. But like, DBs research has kind of gotten sloppy so I dont know wth theyll really do, so the defaul is wank for comics duo.

Also yeah, from quick glance, comic duo kind of have become way stronger in research years. Like during Immortal Hulk, Bruce didnt land hits on street tiers but next run had him fight Thorforce Thor. Not to mention shit like KiB Venom and DC's messes too.
At least with Post Crisis Stuff I am being honest and at worst I read it so many years ago (Like 2-3) I'm forgetting or mixing things up (Too focused on being brainrotted with vtubing). My main issue is by the time I finished reading all the Kyle stuff for Post Crisis. I moved out and now work longer hours and have multiple university level classes so I don't have the endless time to read comics. So like I read the Hal Jordan story where he used the Miracle Machine, but I couldn't read All In. New Guardians is a short read... For me 2 years ago, it would be agony to read nowadays. As far as I'm concerned from what I heard about Rebirth, the stuff is ridiculous (Superman has multiple source feats apparently? Apparently he punched out an alternate Batman empowered by the Anti-Life Equation too? Wonder Woman has an outerversal form?) but I admit I haven't heard anything for Green Lanterns yet beyond the Miracle Machine thing.
 
At least with Post Crisis Stuff I am being honest and at worst I read it so many years ago (Like 2-3) I'm forgetting or mixing things up (Too focused on being brainrotted with vtubing). My main issue is by the time I finished reading all the Kyle stuff for Post Crisis. I moved out and now work longer hours and have multiple university level classes so I don't have the endless time to read comics. So like I read the Hal Jordan story where he used the Miracle Machine, but I couldn't read All In. New Guardians is a short read... For me 2 years ago, it would be agony to read nowadays. As far as I'm concerned from what I heard about Rebirth, the stuff is ridiculous (Superman has multiple source feats apparently? Apparently he punched out an alternate Batman empowered by the Anti-Life Equation too? Wonder Woman has an outerversal form?) but I admit I haven't heard anything for Green Lanterns yet beyond the Miracle Machine thing.
To quote MovieBob (even though I don't watch his stuff anymore):

"COMICS!

ARE!

WEEEEEIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRD!"
 
Isn't that the guy that said "Console Wars were my personal Vietnam."?
Holy shit, I never in my life would I see moviebob mention here.


This guy is insane and there’s a quiz about him to figure out who said something horrible.

A Nazi or moviebob.
 
Holy shit, I never in my life would I see moviebob mention here.


This guy is insane and there’s a quiz about him to figure out who said something horrible.

A Nazi or moviebob.
I was about to mention this! I remember watching EFAP go through this whole quiz and die of cringe while doing it because its so messed up.
 
Isn't that the guy that said "Console Wars were my personal Vietnam."?
He's also the guy who has a lot of.... less than pleasant quotes that sound very off no matter what angle you view them from.
Holy shit, I never in my life would I see moviebob mention here.


This guy is insane and there’s a quiz about him to figure out who said something horrible.

A Nazi or moviebob.
I was about to mention this! I remember watching EFAP go through this whole quiz and die of cringe while doing it because its so messed up.
And now you all know why I stopped watching him.
 
How you guys reacting if ts was the next time after simon vs kyle?
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Since I'm kinda high on the VA industry atm (that was a good sentence), reply to this post with a Dub VA of your choice, and I'll see which character/characters I could see them playing if they ever came to Death Battle and similar formats. In return, I'll also tag you back with a VA of my choice, and you would have to pick a character for them to play (assume no reprisals from their official material).
EDIT: People I tag back can then tag one other poster on this thread, and get them to do the same, if they so wish.

Go.

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I'm sorry Simon bro's but all Kyle needs is scaling to the Spectre (which he has pretty easily) and he'll win since Death Battle has put Spectre at outer multiple times.
 
I'm sorry Simon bro's but all Kyle needs is scaling to the Spectre (which he has pretty easily) and he'll win since Death Battle has put Spectre at outer multiple times.
I feel like I'm the only person in this community autistic enough to actually read what Death Battle claimed in their videos, getting annoying. Here is what Death Battle actually says about Spectre.

Black Adam vs Apocalypse:
Wiz: He murdered the Council of Wizards and later endangered Mamaragan himself. And the almighty wizard's a part of the Quintessence, basically DC's gods who watch over the multiverse.

Popup: While visual panels of these events are never seen, multiple iterations of Black Adam show that he is capable of battling Mamaragan and his council, like Shazam and the Marvel Family.
Boomstick: No surprise, since Black Adam effortlessly broke Spectre's body, another Quintessence person.

Batman vs Iron Man:
Wiz: Although many of his greatest accomplishments have been aided by his exceptional prep work and foreknowledge, he's no stranger to being put on the spot, even in the face of Armageddon. Who else would kick the Spectre, the angel of wrath, God's divine judgement, in the face, and then tell him to get the hell out of his city?

Raven vs Phoenix:
Wiz: But even without her father's direct influence, Raven's incredible power continued to prove impressive, like the time she fought the Spectre, an unbound angel of wrath whose conflicts often threaten all of reality.

Popup: Raven battled Aztar while he was unbound, an even more powerful state than the Spectre's normal level.

The only real suggestion for this is scaling from Zor:

Zatanna vs Scarlet Witch:
Boomstick: It might not seem obvious from that hokey-magic-castle getup, but Zatanna is one of the most powerful sorcerers in DC, like the time she battled the time tailor, Zor, an old enemy of the Spectre. Y'know, the angel of God's divine wrath?!

Wiz: In order to defeat an opponent of such unimaginable power, Zatanna focused her magical might into shattering the boundaries of reality. She reached out beyond the very comic panels themselves, and pulled Zor's entire magical universe down around him. She literally handled all of reality like it was a sheet of paper and crumpled it in her hands.

This is actually a good feat, not sure if Spectre scales to this level for Zor however? Zor was an opponent of Spectre but he's not even a variable in the story involved. I haven't read it yet but he might simply be more powerful than other instances he scales to Spectre, not sure.

As for Kyle's actual scaling with Spectre?

Kyle has only a handful means of scaling to Spectre:

  • Scaling through the fact that a dozen White Lanterns' combined power is enough to slay Nekron who harmed Spectre with his presence
  • Scaling through the fact that the whole Green Lantern Corps + a multiverse of Superman slaid Rox Ogama who had defeated Spectre
  • Scaling from the fact that Deadman with a White Lantern Ring managed to knock back Anti-Monitor who should scale to Spectre maybe
  • Scaling through the fact that Spectre wrangled and fought with the Butcher which should be Ion level

These are all bounded forms of Spectre, and Death Battle has made the distinction as I showed above.

*Should repeat when I say universal, I mean 2-A, because a universe has infinite timelines
The Spectre’s best unassisted feat was in in Green Lantern (2005) #61 where he fought and wrangled The Butcher, the Rage Entity who should be relatively comparable in power to Ion or Parallax: So I guess we should now ask, how powerful are Emotional Entities actually? For one, we shouldn’t scale them to what Parallax did in Zero Hour, he got that powerful because he literally absorbed all the energies of the original Crisis as seen in Zero Hour: Crisis in Time #0: Without his Zero Hour feats, we would have to scale to Ion Kyle and Sodam Yat. Sodam Yat with Ion fought toe-to-two with Superboy Prime in Green Lantern Corps (2006) #18. We’re going to ignore Countdown because everybody ignores Countdown, that means no Monarch and more importantly, no Mxy scaling (5-D Emotional entities seems kind of ridiculous). Superboy Prime is a Pre-Crisis Kryptonian so he should scale to Pre-Crisis Superman, he also is so powerful his punches retcon the entire DC Universe in Infinite Crisis: Ion, as I showed earlier in “Why GL Kyle should < Ion,” had the power to fully recharge the Green Lantern Central Battery. Later it is confirmed in Tales of the Sinestro Corps #1 that his power as Ion equates to that of the Central Battery, which in Green Lantern Corps (1986) #224 is confirmed to be powerful enough to destroy the universe: So going by this, Spectre scales to the Butcher who scales to Ion who is universal to low multiverse level. At most he is potentially Orrery level.
 
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"You see, both Simon and Kyle had indomitable willpower, but unlike Simon, Kyle also had indomitable rage, indomitable avarice, indomitable fear, indomitable hope, indomitable compassion, indomitable love and indomitable life!"
are we forgetting the love of Simon for his wife?
 
A Death Battle will care about is if we have actual proof of Simon dealing with something infinitelty above him. That's why Spawn beat Ghost Rider in their standards. If Simon can regenerate from infinite damage or absorb something ontologically higher than them, they'll give the benefit of the doubt that like they did Spawn.
Anti Spiral was infinitely above Simon...and Simon still grew enough to surpass him, actually what happened with the multiverse labyrinth, was all SIMON doing
 
I feel like I'm the only person in this community autistic enough to actually read what Death Battle claimed in their videos, getting annoying. Here is what Death Battle actually says about Spectre.

You're not referring to the same statements I am.

In Raven vs Phoenix Death Battle claims that:
WIZ: the Phoenix force was strong enough to hold back the destruction of all creation but Raven had multiple showings of battling similarly powerful characters like Trigon and the Specter
The scan they presented during this was Raven fighting Bound Spectre IIRC

In Scarlet Witch vs Zatanna Death Battle claims:
WIZ: on the other hand Zatanna has managed to maintain her willpower fighting foes just as strong as the Scarlet Witch
The statement above was referring to Zorr whose only scaling given in the episode was being relative to Spectre.
Kyle has only a handful means of scaling to Spectre:
I don't agree with this.

Kyle as a White Lantern should, at the very least, be comparable to the Emotional Entities. Parallax has battled Spectre numerous times and outright defeated him with Spectre himself claiming that he fears the emotional entities.
 
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Ok now imagine if DB does mention all of that in the fight, which they won't because... ******* audio CDs, bro? Really? Talk about obscure, I barely see anyone mention them. Hell, I haven't seen anyone ever bring it up on the wiki (not even on his profile). That said, 1-B 20D Simon with plot hax upgrade when?
when Bluudy manikin finished the sandboxes for the profiles...
 
Like without any powers whatsoever and just their raw human selves?

Maybe Kyle ngl, because while Simon is larger, Kyle has more proper combat training from Batman and has held his own against guys like Red Hood, and Simon I don't think has much notable skill feats outside of brawling. Doesn't help that Simon spent most of his ten years doing paperwork and less actual combat, and him moreso being a mech pilot.
actually it was 7 years and he has the combined knowledge of all the versions of the infinite multiverse...at minimum he knows martial arts.
 
I think Life Equation has to be what they use here, I hope they don't do the Mandrakk thing because that wouldn't work here.

My interpretation is each galaxy is a brane-universe because a big bang happens when two branes collide and the Anti-Spiral created the Infinity Big Bang Storm creating galaxies by colliding two galaxies, and the writers at Gainax were explicitly basing their stuff off brane cosmology which states big bangs can be created by two branes colliding. Given that, that would mean the final drill clash would have to be taken as infinity x 2-A, as opposed to WL Simon which is 52 x 2-A

Even without that, TTGL is like a dozen times 2-A, and STTGL is millions of times to infinitely above that
the Anti spiral didn't even need to do that, it was just to show himself up
 
Mainly because he's been overshadowed by Hal, John and Jessica. He was mainly popular within the 90s because he was the only lantern at the time.

Furthermore, a lot of Kyle's stories hinge on having Hal's downfall prior, and without that, his stories carry less weight. Making Kyle one of the harder lanterns to adapt.
also he is the main trope giver for one of the biggest example into how not to write a female character...the fridge
 
I'm sorry Simon bro's but all Kyle needs is scaling to the Spectre (which he has pretty easily) and he'll win since Death Battle has put Spectre at outer multiple times.
Simon with infinitely growing power that also scales to dimensionality (he also trascends dimensions): TRY ME
 
In Raven vs Phoenix Death Battle claims that:
The scan they presented during this was Raven fighting Bound Spectre IIRC
Ya know it's funny ngl they claimed she fought a unbound Spectre in that issue and when you actually read she was getting her ass kicked and needed Jim Corrigan to bail her ass out



There's also the fact she needed an amp and some shit against a bound spectre
 
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Ya know it's funny ngl they claimed she fought a unbound Spectre in that issue and when you actually read she was getting her ass kicked and needed Jim Corrigan to bail her ass out



There's also the fact she needed an amp and some shit against a blind spectre

When I'm fighting a DC character on Death Battle, but they've breathed the same air as the Spectre (Im about to get low diffed)

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Ya know it's funny ngl they claimed she fought a unbound Spectre in that issue and when you actually read she was getting her ass kicked and needed Jim Corrigan to bail her ass out



There's also the fact she needed an amp and some shit against a blind spectre

That just proves Death Battle at times be making shit up to justify scaling that isnt legit and unless you know that, they get away with it

I can get doing it if that makes it sound closer so the loser isnt being considered weak af, but doing that for the winner to justify the win.....bullshit on that
 
That just proves Death Battle at times be making shit up to justify scaling that isnt legit and unless you know that, they get away with it

I can get doing it if that makes it sound closer so the loser isnt being considered weak af, but doing that for the winner to justify the win.....bullshit on that
tbf this wasn't what they used in the episode. This comic came out after Raven vs Phoenix. Raven scaling to Spectre off one interaction doesn't make sense regardless though, as Spectre jobs a lot and thus has like 30 different canonical reasons for why his power level varies. You really shouldn't scale characters to him unless it's like a consistent thing.
 
tbf this wasn't what they used in the episode. This comic came out after Raven vs Phoenix. Raven scaling to Spectre off one interaction doesn't make sense regardless though, as Spectre jobs a lot and thus has like 30 different canonical reasons for why his power level varies. You really shouldn't scale characters to him unless it's like a consistent thing.
That just proves Death Battle at times be making shit up to justify scaling that isnt legit and unless you know that, they get away with it

I can get doing it if that makes it sound closer so the loser isnt being considered weak af, but doing that for the winner to justify the win.....bullshit on that
ngl db do need to show the full context for alot of feats half the time
 
One thing I hate about yelling a marvel/DC character is outerversal or whatever is it's meaningless. I always try to avoid using external verbiage with it. A character is Orrery Level, they are Bleedspace Level, Godsphere level, etc. That makes it more clear what they are, and makes it more internally ridiculous when something contradictory comes up. You can easily reductively state a character is whateverversal, but what does that actually mean in DC? Until Infinite Frontier Superman came in and he's straight up beating Godsphere characters and being empowered by the source, I could never seriously without any irony state "Superman (unamped, he did do it against the World Forger while sundipped of course) can easily destroy the Orrery of Worlds."

I'm still betting Kyle. Life Equation is too busted.
 
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