DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[Epiccheev]

"You see, both Simon and Kyle had indomitable willpower, but unlike Simon, Kyle also had indomitable rage, indomitable avarice, indomitable fear, indomitable hope, indomitable compassion, indomitable love and indomitable life!"

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

the probability manipulation just hits them from all points in space and time, thus making it undodgeable I thought?

I mean you could make the argument that WL Kyle should share his Ion omnipresence powers, or the lanterns being able to survive COIE.

Lanterns might have Acasualty stuff because they time travel a bunch of times in Pre Crisis but I gotta recheck.

 

[Chronicplane]

I guess Simon loses since his verses cosmology is smaller then. I wanted him to win but the internal vote for Kyle to win is probably higher than Simon's anyway.

Based on how Spiral Power works and how quickly fast adaptive growth is being able to "reach any level of power through sheer will and believing he can" Gurren Lagann would likely be able to evenly match and even surpass power, and with Low-Godly regen as well as cosmic awareness of having consciousness spread across past, present and future infinite timelines he'd be able to preemetively act against any nasty things coming his way (more on that later), remember Anti-Spiral trapping him in the Labyrnth explicitly made it clear he had a 0% chance of victory and Simon manipulated probability and changed FATE.

GL's can do some absurd things through will sure (just look at Hal) but none that I know can just automatically reach to a far greater power than there own and beat anyone in there cosmology, that's a pretty distinct advantage for Simon and I'm not sure if Kyle could survive something that acausality bombing through the missiles which have immeasurable speed.

 

[MagdalenusTenebrosus]

Based on how Spiral Power works and how quickly fast adaptive growth is being able to "reach any level of power through sheer will and believing he can" Gurren Lagann would likely be able to evenly match and even surpass power, and with Low-Godly regen as well as cosmic awareness of having consciousness spread across past, present and future infinite timelines he'd be able to preemetively act against any nasty things coming his way (more on that later), remember Anti-Spiral trapping him in the Labyrnth explicitly made it clear he had a 0% chance of victory and Simon manipulated probability and changed FATE.

GL's can do some absurd things through will sure (just look at Hal) but none that I know can just automatically reach to a far greater power than there own and beat anyone in there cosmology, that's a pretty distinct advantage for Simon and I'm not sure if Kyle could survive something that acausality bombing through the missiles which have immeasurable speed.

A Death Battle will care about is if we have actual proof of Simon dealing with something infinitelty above him. That's why Spawn beat Ghost Rider in their standards. If Simon can regenerate from infinite damage or absorb something ontologically higher than them, they'll give the benefit of the doubt that like they did Spawn.

 

[MagdalenusTenebrosus]

Frankly I don't care if Kyle wins. He is my favorite DC hero actually so like I love both characters. I just hope their justification isn't "DC herald goes brrr" and more like "LE goes brrrr"

 

[Hunterzillas]

I finally got around to watching this, and I all I gotta say is nah. Good fight, liked the music, but even by the episodes standards it seems like Metal should've won.

 

[Epiccheev]

Simon about to cause the spiral nemesis in this battle

 

[Chronicplane]

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Yeah, I think we can seriously say that this mu is debatable.

 

[Epiccheev]

"Instead of using a Core Drill, Otoko Simon channels his spiral energy through his pen"

 

[MagdalenusTenebrosus]

Simon about to cause the spiral nemesis in this battle

Spiral Nemesis was the drill clash at the end of the movie IIRC, and Simon transcends even that in the last stages of the fight.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Aw that was my only argument for a Simon win. It's over

Yeah...

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Aw that was my only argument for a Simon win. It's over

Bruh DB doesn't use our stats, calcs, yes, but stats? No. It's still a debatable MU, either or can win.

 

[Epiccheev]

Spiral Nemesis was the drill clash at the end of the movie IIRC, and Simon transcends even that in the last stages of the fight.

That's the most accepted theory, but it's never directly confirmed as such. Unless there was some creator statement i missed

 

[Fireld]

"Instead of using a Core Drill, Otoko Simon channels his spiral energy through his pen"

So that's how this works, huh

 

[MagdalenusTenebrosus]

Bruh DB doesn't use our stats, calcs, yes, but stats? No. It's still a debatable MU, either or can win.

the dimensionality of the orrery of worlds is so ******* inconsistent Death battle most certainly won't touch it.

What matters is it's 52 universes, each with infinite timelines and pocket dimensions. So realistically in our terms 52x 2-A. Base TTGL is like a dozen times 2-A and STTGL is infinite amount of times above that. Issue is Simon more or less just peaks at that, LE goes beyond to omniversal levels

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

the dimensionality of the orrery of worlds is so ******* inconsistent Death battle most certainly won't touch it.

What matters is it's 52 universes, each with infinite timelines and pocket dimensions. So realistically in our terms 52x 2-A. Base TTGL is like a dozen times 2-A and STTGL is infinite amount of times above that. Issue is Simon more or less just peaks at that, LE goes beyond to omniversal levels

That's if LE is used, Kyle only had it from 2014-2016, so idk if it'll count as standard equipment alongside his white lantern ring, DB hasn't given any other combatant that luxury, so idk if they'll do it with Kyle

 

[TMaakkonen]

As far as rematches go we have atm:

• Boba Fett vs Samus
• Goku vs Superman (x2)
• Mario vs Sonic
• Link vs Cloud
• MC vs Doom Slayer

I do believe rematches shouldn't be given to any match. Not only should it be for better animation & new stuff to go over, I do feel like characters should be major enough to warrant a rematch. Most of these do fit that. GvS are the anime and comic characters & MU of all times. MvS same for games. Link & Cloud are notable figures in their genres too. And while outdated a bit, at their peak MC & Doomguy were peak FPS characters too. BobaSamus are exceptions but hey that was their 1st ever ep, I'll allow that lol

So what should be next? Would M2Shadow truly live up to the legacy to warrant it? And while they do have new material, massive animation glowup potential too,is Shadow truly worthy to earn a rematch? tho ig the real issue is people dont want 4th Shadow ep lol

 

[Ebihara]

That's the most accepted theory, but it's never directly confirmed as such. Unless there was some creator statement i missed

I can see why people belive that but I personally don't buy it or think it fits well from a narrative point of view.

 

[0ホルスファルコン将軍0]

That's if LE is used, Kyle only had it from 2014-2016, so idk if it'll count as standard equipment alongside his white lantern ring, DB hasn't given any other combatant that luxury, so idk if they'll do it with Kyle

The real power move would be Simon defeating Kyle even WITH the Life Equation, I would legit pop-off. Defeat a DC Herald at their strongest. It would (probably) be bullshit if it happened, but I wouldn’t care.

 

[Kroneii1]

If the green lanterns were able to survive the crisis rewriting history, then how can simon put down kyle as a white lantern?

 

[Joycap]

As far as rematches go we have atm:

• Boba Fett vs Samus
• Goku vs Superman (x2)
• Mario vs Sonic
• Link vs Cloud
• MC vs Doom Slayer

I do believe rematches shouldn't be given to any match. Not only should it be for better animation & new stuff to go over, I do feel like characters should be major enough to warrant a rematch. Most of these do fit that. GvS are the anime and comic characters & MU of all times. MvS same for games. Link & Cloud are notable figures in their genres too. And while outdated a bit, at their peak MC & Doomguy were peak FPS characters too. BobaSamus are exceptions but hey that was their 1st ever ep, I'll allow that lol

So what should be next? Would M2Shadow truly live up to the legacy to warrant it? And while they do have new material, massive animation glowup potential too,is Shadow truly worthy to earn a rematch? tho ig the real issue is people dont want 4th Shadow ep lol

I think Dante vs Bayo has enough new stuff to warrant a runback, and the coat of paint on the 2016 episode is getting a bit faded.

Marissa Lenti also just sounded bored doing Bayo's lines - get someone else on speed dial.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

If the green lanterns were able to survive the crisis rewriting history, then how can simon put down kyle as a white lantern?

Probability Missiles that that manipulate chance itself, making them almost impossible to dodge because they bend probability in their favor mid-flight. Basically, they’re like guided missiles on cosmic steroids, if there’s even a 1% chance they’ll hit you, they make it happen.

 

[Tipper17]

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Do any DBS characters beat Saint Seiya characters?

 

[ShawnFaux]

I think Dante vs Bayo has enough new stuff to warrant a runback, and the coat of paint on the 2016 episode is getting a bit faded.

Marissa Lenti also just sounded bored doing Bayo's lines - get someone else on speed dial.

Damn, I love Dante, but I'm pretty sure he'd get destroyed, this time.

Also yeah, the presentation is definitely dated in some ways. Jeanne in particular looks so bad, in my opinion.

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Do any DBS characters beat Saint Seiya characters?

Besides the obvious.

 

[Kroneii1]

Probability Missiles that that manipulate chance itself, making them almost impossible to dodge because they bend probability in their favor mid-flight. Basically, they’re like guided missiles on cosmic steroids, if there’s even a 1% chance they’ll hit you, they make it happen.

Not sure if that would work, I remember that dc universes contains infinite timelines and spatial dimensions or something like that.

 

[MagdalenusTenebrosus]

Not sure if that would work, I remember that dc universes contains infinite timelines and spatial dimensions or something like that.

Infinite timelines yes, as for dimensions there are infinite pocket dimensions IIRC, not infinite spatial dimensions. They change how many they are each author frankly. Completely at the whim of them, so Death Battle will ignore spatial dimensions. Also even in the VSB thread discussing crisis cosmology, you have to be low 1-A to destroy the entire physical realm, meaning the Bleedspace. The orrery itself is high 1-C it appears?

Infinite timelines is no issue for Simon. It would be for SGGL where reality altering missiles would only work across the single timeline, but by the time he is TTGL and STTGL he has control over infinite timelines so logically the reality altering missiles spans all these timelines.

 

[Loh67867]

Do any DBS characters beat Saint Seiya characters?

Judging by our profiles (Unless Kouga's profile is outdated, which it might be), Gohan might beat Kouga, although the matter manipulation thing kind of gives Kouga the edge in the fight

 

[Imaginym]

My thoughts:

Amity Blight vs Diana Cavendish: I guess it could be fun?

Samus vs X (Metroid vs Mega Man): Cool, but arguably outdated. Who are their competition for matches?

D&D vs Elder Scrolls (Nameless One vs Nerevarine): YES YES YES, YES PLEASE.

Po vs Kinnikuman (Kung Fu Panda vs Kinnikuman): Yes, please.

Maui vs Hercules (Disney vs Disney): Does Hercules really not have better matchups?

Milla Basset vs Cream the Rabbit (Freedom Planet vs Sonic): Could be interesting.

Black Hat vs The Warden (Villainous vs Superjail): IDK Superjail that well, is he super hax?

Doronjo vs Tron Bonne vs Devilotte vs Princess Morbucks (Yatterman/Time Bokan vs Mega Man Legends vs Cyberbots: Full Metal Madness vs The The Powerpuff Girls): Seems over-complicated. There's overlap, but too many contrasting themes, though I only know, like, half these characters.

Employee vs Spooktuber: Could be neat.

Peely vs Comp. Pikachu: I do wonder if Pikachu doesn't just win this. We'll probably find out with Ash vs Yugi.

Captain Quark vs Zapp Brannigan: YES, PLEASE.

The Beast vs Eric: Could be interesting.



Pardon me if anyone minds that of me, please.

 

[Loh67867]

So what should be next? Would M2Shadow truly live up to the legacy to warrant it? And while they do have new material, massive animation glowup potential too,is Shadow truly worthy to earn a rematch? tho ig the real issue is people dont want 4th Shadow ep lol

Imma be honest, if we had Batman 4 times, we might as well have Shadow

 

[Tipper17]

Imma be honest, if we had Batman 4 times, we might as well have Shadow

given how mewtwo vs shadow did on the cast its a matter of when not if

 

[TMaakkonen]

Imma be honest, if we had Batman 4 times, we might as well have Shadow

Cant wait to do image of Batman & Shadow being 4 timers with Goku & Vegeta peeking from corner due to GogetaVegito teehee

 

[Imaginym]

Apologies if off-topic.

 

[StekFence]

Judging by our profiles (Unless Kouga's profile is outdated, which it might be), Gohan might beat Kouga, although the matter manipulation thing kind of gives Kouga the edge in the fight

Did… I never add the inf speed? Turns out I forgot to add the years old crt. Peak.

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

Gohan confirmed to have more aura than Koga. Do y'all agree?

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

Gohan won the cast.

 

[Tipper17]

Gohan won the cast.

As he should

 

[StekFence]

Fraudhan tbh