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Hey, hey, Cloud has explicit feats. We see the Supernova blow up the Solar System and King Arthur destroy the dimension housing a galaxy cluster. Guides simply confirm that it really happens.
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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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Stefano4444
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Which they can be dismissed as just illusions since in the original game its never stated that those things where real (unsure about the remake).
And considering that stuff like bullets, regular explosives, or fall from the sky are things that can hurt the cast, or that Sephiroth needed the Meteor to crack the planet, they can be argue to be outliers and that FF7 cast are not capable to destroy cities without particular strong Materia or Techs.
And guidebooks is not different than using lore, as people can argue that they are secondary info that if doesn't match with the original story should be dismissed.
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Bowser: 305 cm
Kratos: 234 cm
Asura: 198 cm
Ghost Rider: 188 cm
Spawn: 188 cm
Omni-Man: 188 cm
Eggman: 185 cm
Fall Guys: 183 cm
Joker: 175 cm
Bardock: 175 cm
Giorno Giovanna: 173 cm
Imposters/Crewmates: 107 cm
Kratos: 234 cm
Asura: 198 cm
Ghost Rider: 188 cm
Spawn: 188 cm
Omni-Man: 188 cm
Eggman: 185 cm
Fall Guys: 183 cm
Joker: 175 cm
Bardock: 175 cm
Giorno Giovanna: 173 cm
Imposters/Crewmates: 107 cm
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Statements should be comparable to Feats unless we have a good reason to not consider them valid.
For example, that Dr うましか from Dr Slump who said that the circumference of the earth was much longer than ours who is portrayed as an unreliable source (his name is literally "Dr Moron/Idiot")
For example, that Dr うましか from Dr Slump who said that the circumference of the earth was much longer than ours who is portrayed as an unreliable source (his name is literally "Dr Moron/Idiot")
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Animating is tough task, especially with characters known for cinematic visuals
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Maybe make better fights then
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give 'im a break. He had his own channel to attend to.
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Tbf tho, he had roughly like almost 2 months to do the fight and prolly more given the sneek peek revealed way back among other fights
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Wdym? He already beat Hell Biker
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Asura performance in this fight was pitiful outside the beginning he basically jobbed like a ***** throughout the fight
he couldn't even get a single hit on Kratos in destructor and got Wyzen'd in return
man practically gave up when he got shanked at the end and was given a pity w of an alt ending
humilitian ritual at its finest ngl
he couldn't even get a single hit on Kratos in destructor and got Wyzen'd in return
man practically gave up when he got shanked at the end and was given a pity w of an alt ending
humilitian ritual at its finest ngl
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The issue is, actual evidence is needed to make a claim like that. What is the proof that it is an illusion? And it has to be better than incredulity over the exaggerated nature of the attack. A dismissal without proof is not different from trying to hype up a character with flimsy evidence.
The outlier argument is more reasonable (though I already mentioned my stance regarding firearms), especially since the consistency in FFVII is all over the place, and is something I struggle with as well. But even the games themselves keep contradicting themselves. Cloud has to run when he's surrounded by too many infantrymen armed with machine guns, but he's shown to casually dodge lasers. In one scene Cloud is afraid from a high fall, but later he casually jumps dozens of meters into the air like nothing and lands from a fall from hundreds of meters simply by doing a flip in another. In another scene Tifa gets trapped by a locked door, but a while later she kicks a monster with enough force to send it flying tens of meters and crash into a wall. Cloud can't cut down a metal door to pass through, but a while later he slices through several wagons of a train thrown at him. It's a major case of "whatever the plot needs". In Rebirth in particular, the scaling becomes an absolute nightmare.
In the main cast yes, they aren't exactly shown causing mass destruction themselves, but they are shown defeating enemies who can do so, namely the usual Summon fights and Sephiroth (who in Ever Crisis is shown to casually nuke a forest and blow up an entire enemy batallion with a single fire spell). Even if we don't take into account how the story itself explains that Materia requires the users to be strong and have proper affinity to work, that would still be part of their arsenal and be used against other opponents.
The need for Meteor can be argued to be due to the sheer power of the Lifestream, which is constantly shown to be the ultimate power of the setting, even in the ending it's shown that it could even destroy meteor (or push it back so Holy would work if you go by the novels), and certainly doesn't help that Remake retconned the Lifestream into a higher dimension of sorts where entire timelines are born.
My point with the guidebooks wasn't so much that they give their charcters their scaling, as much as they backup and confirm things we actually see on screen. The Ultimania says that it is indeed the Solar System we see during the Supernova and indeed it is destroyed by the blast, the Knights of the Round indeed take place in a different dimension which is actually destroyed by the onslaught, Typhon does indeed turn the Planet upside down, Bahamut Fury indeed destroys the moon and blasts away a continent, and these are all things we see in-game. The whole explanation bit "they use an alternate dimension to unleash their attacks" seem especially made to hand wave why the mass destruction they cause isn't seen outside battle. So they do match and attempt to fit with what the games show. Admittedly, there is some "this dude can destroy the world" but is only shown causing a moderately sized explosion, that being Ifrit, in the low tier.
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I must say, this battle was a huge letdown to me. I don't care about the result or the stats, but the animation itself was quite lackluster.
The characters were all stiff and static, it feels like no one did much of anything nor showed any particular attack, as they were all quite short and in brief bursts.
Things were happening at a weird pace, switching between shots, and it felt like Kratos was the paddle and Asura the ball, coming at him and constantly getting bounced back.
Kratos was very static for the entire battle, just ignoring the incoming attacks and replying with a punch now, a blade then, another spear etc.., always motionless.
The fight is super long, but it feels like nothing happened at all.
I also dislike how a good chunk of the battle was wasted to recreate the battle with Wyzen, cool eh, but it takes forever and is literally a 1:1 replica which becomes boring once you realize the fact.
The emotional meaning of the fight was kinda there? But Kratos just shrugged off what was supposed to be a moment of realization and guilt. I don't really get why he was transported to Gaia, also.
The characters were all stiff and static, it feels like no one did much of anything nor showed any particular attack, as they were all quite short and in brief bursts.
Things were happening at a weird pace, switching between shots, and it felt like Kratos was the paddle and Asura the ball, coming at him and constantly getting bounced back.
Kratos was very static for the entire battle, just ignoring the incoming attacks and replying with a punch now, a blade then, another spear etc.., always motionless.
The fight is super long, but it feels like nothing happened at all.
I also dislike how a good chunk of the battle was wasted to recreate the battle with Wyzen, cool eh, but it takes forever and is literally a 1:1 replica which becomes boring once you realize the fact.
The emotional meaning of the fight was kinda there? But Kratos just shrugged off what was supposed to be a moment of realization and guilt. I don't really get why he was transported to Gaia, also.
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Tfw Homelander left more battle damage on Omni-Man than Asura did KratosAsura performance in this fight was pitiful outside the beginning he basically jobbed like a ***** throughout the fight
he couldn't even get a single hit on Kratos in destructor and got Wyzen'd in return
man practically gave up when he got shanked at the end and was given a pity w of an at ending
humilitian ritual at its finest ngl
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Tbf thats only cuz they argued heat and sound are weaknesses that can work, but be meaningless from the fact Omniman its better at everything else then Homelander
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That guy forgets Hercules can block Helios light if you try it on him and Kratos scales to him, Kratos beat gods far above Helios, he acts like cant scale to anything for some reason lol
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Hopefully the next battle fairs better
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YES!
Look DA a cool guy and good animator when u give him a mu that fits his areas of strengths
But when you give him ones that don't suit him fully the results ain't gonna be pretty
Which is why it's very important to find other 3D animator's that can work on Pure Melee combat and mu that specialize in areas he's not great at
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Is there any 3D animator that would like to animate for death battle at all?
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OK, so if you had to choose, who would you add for Death Battle's 3D Animation Team?
Because, DA has been the only one consistent on the show afaik
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Yet another creator of a series being made aware of death battle
And would you look at that for the "debunkers" he didnt say anything death battle said of kratos was wrong or anything like that, despite they "proven these wrong to wankers"
And would you look at that for the "debunkers" he didnt say anything death battle said of kratos was wrong or anything like that, despite they "proven these wrong to wankers"
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Dude doesn't care for power level shit probably watched it for fun
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I think what a lot of the people who complain about kratos powerscaling 'not reflecting the story' or 'not respecting the creators' vision' forget is that it's entirely possible for creators to not actually have any sort of specific vision for how powerful their own characters are beyond some vague notion of 'very' or 'more than this guy, but not as much as this guy' etc.
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The more I think about it the more dumb it is that the alternate ending that's supposed to show Asura winning along with trying to pay respect to him still ends showing Kratos' point of view in the afterlife rather than Asura, y'know, the winner in that hypothetical scenario. I fully believe that DB does love Asura's Wrath and tried their best to show respect to Asura, but instead I was left with the feeling that the whole thing was Kratos' battle and Asura was just some random ass fodder who kept getting angrier for no reason and who felt like the villain. Didn't really help that they made him die so anticlimatically rather than some universal explosion like most people were likely hoping. I want to love this death battle so much but this just feels like a neither weak or strong 7/10
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I’m not a doctor slump fan at all but I believe there’s more nuance than that (?) there’s this one blog that covers that
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I really can't believe Bardock (and Goku as well), are only as tall as a 16 year old highschooler
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I just thought about something: the way they worded Kratos scaling to the speed of Helios was kind of weird to me because Kratos didn't fight Helios. Helios was already weakened when he was crushed by that Titan, Helios tried using his light to blind Kratos, but Kratos blocked his vision and powered through it to get to Helios.
Instead: I feel like a better way to justify the scaling would be to scale Kratos to Hercules who, if I'm not mistaken, can block Helios' light faster than it can be pulled out during the fight. Or just upscaling Kratos above the shockwaves generated by the Primordials which created the universe.
Instead: I feel like a better way to justify the scaling would be to scale Kratos to Hercules who, if I'm not mistaken, can block Helios' light faster than it can be pulled out during the fight. Or just upscaling Kratos above the shockwaves generated by the Primordials which created the universe.
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People have their own standards, I feel as though it's mean spirited to bash that, as an opinion too tethered to your own perception of the fight. People can have fun and some whimsy, nothing wrong with that.
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Now that I thought about it, they made it significantly more difficult for Lore bros to justify the scaling because their own justification is flawed
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Opinions may vary but at a certain point I refuse to dance to the notion of this being remotely peak any manner
The emotional moments were done badly and just reeks of appealing to emotional stunned man children to clap for instead of actual making sense in the animation
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The result of the fight is actually fairly controversial even on r/deathbattle, which I think is interesting.
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