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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

Hizack123 said:
Even Flashy flash and Sonic can react to it

Wallahi Void is finished 💀💀💀
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To be exact it is a 50/50 at present on that front. They either reacted to it as it was still traveling their way or Flashy sensed it much like Blast back in chapter 196 meaning it's appearance on the ground had nothing to do with him warning Sonic. It might've only just spawned after he completed his sentence. The problem comes in the form of not having enough information.

Best case scenario we get another "Likely far higher" speed rating.

Worth noting: The alternative to the highball is contradiction. His in-universe speed is already blitzing the likes of Flash yet I'm supposed to believe DS grants them more time to react to it when the manga's statements say otherwise?

"Speed Blitz is the act of one attacking their opponent before they are capable of perceiving or reacting to them. Blitzing is different than outpacing,"
 
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I was going through random threads and saw an argument that God empowered infinite versions of Garou based on Genos' statement and Void's hyperspace reveal. If this actually ends up being true, it should be a High 3-A feat, right?
 
AmongUsAboveUsBelow said:
To be exact it is a 50/50 at present on that front. They either reacted to it as it was still traveling their way or Flashy sensed it much like Blast back in chapter 196 meaning it's appearance on the ground had nothing to do with him warning Sonic. It might've only just spawned after he completed his sentence. The problem comes in the form of not having enough information.

Best case scenario we get another "Likely far higher" speed rating.

Worth noting: The alternative to the highball is contradiction. His in-universe speed is already blitzing the likes of Flash yet I'm supposed to believe DS grants them more time to react to it when the manga's statements say otherwise?

"Speed Blitz is the act of one attacking their opponent before they are capable of perceiving or reacting to them. Blitzing is different than outpacing,"
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That is the joke, yes.
 
Also I wish to build a timeline of events to reduce ambiguity surrounding Flash's survival that's concise and to the point:

Empty Void Mental BFRs the two of them > Sonic breaks out of it with ease because his mind is stronger than Flash's > Empty Void realizes this won't work and forfeits the double harvest after saying "To think there was only one harvest" > Enters hyperspace > Attempts killing off Sonic to have an undisrupted time with Flash > Leaves hyperspace to talk to Flash thinking Sonic is out of the picture = Flash was meant to survive

This could prove useful in case you run into people that want to claim "Flash dodged DS".
 
Tural2004 said:
I was going through random threads and saw an argument that God empowered infinite versions of Garou based on Genos' statement and Void's hyperspace reveal. If this actually ends up being true, it should be a High 3-A feat, right?
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Or God empowered only one Garou and that timeline split over infinite possibilities. So it doesn't change much.
 
karo_senpaii said:
It's a baseless claim why?
The argument was based on our profiles shibai slaps. your claim is baseless coz it isn't accepted on profiles
once again if we start talking about stuff we just feel like i'd slap immeasurable speed on shibai right now
I'm not saying they are slower. They are indeed faster coz PS feat is Ftl and saitama speed is still ftl+. If you're convinced that the time frame should be used sure no problem but immediately you do that it means we've deviated from what is on profiles and hence i can bring in whatever personal scaling i can of shibai. At that point this turns into a wank fest which i'm not interested in.
I'm not trying to make shibai win, he just does. you won't die if saitama looses, chill out bro. Are you asking why shibai would use chakra to move? coz that's what shunshin is, also this is for shibai pre ascension. not interested in post ascension coz it's unknown
Shibai is faster by profiles. If you leave profiles and go personal scaling, I got shibai faster. If you equalise speed, thinking is still faster than having a character meters away from you reach you even if the person is 10 times faster. Also by the way saitama extreme AD kicks in through emotion, joy, anger , enjoying a fight or whatever. It's never going to kick in by shibai thinking. With a thought the battle is over

No one mentioned anything related to Higher D, stop the cap.

the match is pointless and boring coz whoever you think wins it's still a stomp
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I haven’t been able to come for the past 2-3 days due to personal issues, but anyway. There was absolutely no way Shibai’s slaps were matching up, bro. I told you I didn’t care about not being accepted in the profiles, and I told you why it would be MFTL, so please bring me your Shibai immeasurable scale and 2B Ap scale, I’m curious what you’ll say. Or will you mistakenly think the infinite possibilities in a single universe are a multiverse and give Shibai 2B-2A from there? Lmao, I’m eagerly waiting. By the way, you misunderstood what I meant in the PS part, those are PS and Monster Garou are also faster than that in terms of time frames, so they’re MFTL. And yes, you want Shibai to win because he takes a devastating defeat against Saitama. When we equalize their speeds, Shibai won’t have time to think because of Saitama’s speed, which is in the 3-5x range. Let’s assume both are 1x FTL, and Shibai’s thought speed is also 1x FTL. Let’s assume the distance is 50 meters, Saitama covers that 50-meter distance in 55.5 nanoseconds, in the 3-5x range, which means Shibai, who can think in 3.336 nanoseconds, is already outpaced enough to be completely destroyed. And I’m using the version of Saitama where he’s at his strongest, the Parallel Timeline Saitama form. Here, Saitama is already in an emotional fluctuation, so there’s no issue.

Also, the thought attack you mentioned, as we have seen so far from Eida, is not something that happens suddenly; it takes a certain amount of time. This situation is enough for Saitama to deliver a one punch.
 
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OK I'm back with the graph bullsh*t again :D

We have established that the reason why garou can't keep up is because whenever he copies, in the middle and during of said process, Saitama already exponentially increases in strength right?

And we see this in the graph, where both Saitama and garou's line are portrayed to be moving at the same time: *horizontal line signify previous level


moving at the same time... until they aren't?

A jump from the 13tile to 17th, while garou's Line hasn't moved?

it's not a matter of like, saitama's line needs to move first before garou does because that's not how the previous depiction of the graph portrayed it. It's not turn based. It's only in the very last image of the graph that it works that way.

What are the implications of this?
 
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MrTayman616 said:
Nothing.
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why?

If it's because of perception speed, then shouldn't the previous depictions of the graph show garou's line to be slowing down as saitama's goes up? But no, garou's climb remained relatively the same despite saitama's increase.

The last graph isn't JUST(keyword) a matter of "garou's line stopped because he didn't perceive the growth yet", otherwise the other graphs should also show saitama's line moving first.

This means the perception speed is already accounted for when it's showing both lines moving at the same time. The graph is taking snapshots of their power level after every increase. Factoring in perception speed results in saitama's line becoming higher than garou, and not in any way depicted to be affecting the speed in which garou's own line rises.

UNTIL the last graph

Can anyone share their opinions on this?
 
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azizbengibi said:
I haven’t been able to come for the past 2-3 days due to personal issues, but anyway. There was absolutely no way Shibai’s slaps were matching up, bro. I told you I didn’t care about not being accepted in the profiles, and I told you why it would be MFTL, so please bring me your Shibai immeasurable scale and 2B Ap scale, I’m curious what you’ll say. Or will you mistakenly think the infinite possibilities in a single universe are a multiverse and give Shibai 2B-2A from there? Lmao, I’m eagerly waiting. By the way, you misunderstood what I meant in the PS part, those are PS and Monster Garou are also faster than that in terms of time frames, so they’re MFTL. And yes, you want Shibai to win because he takes a devastating defeat against Saitama. When we equalize their speeds, Shibai won’t have time to think because of Saitama’s speed, which is in the 3-5x range. Let’s assume both are 1x FTL, and Shibai’s thought speed is also 1x FTL. Let’s assume the distance is 50 meters, Saitama covers that 50-meter distance in 55.5 nanoseconds, in the 3-5x range, which means Shibai, who can think in 3.336 nanoseconds, is already outpaced enough to be completely destroyed. And I’m using the version of Saitama where he’s at his strongest, the Parallel Timeline Saitama form. Here, Saitama is already in an emotional fluctuation, so there’s no issue.

Also, the thought attack you mentioned, as we have seen so far from Eida, is not something that happens suddenly; it takes a certain amount of time. This situation is enough for Saitama to deliver a one punch.
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Since you decided of equal speed i'd save myself the stress of talking about it. For ap both momoshiki and the author note of TBV vol one both state omnipotence was both used to create the world as we know it and countless worlds.
Dude you sound silly equating thought process to combat speed. reaction time is quicker than combat speed and then thought process is even quicker than reaction time. But you know what? Let me give you that. Let's say shibai thought process is also 1c, even by your own analogy you're wrong. It's baffling to me how much you want saitama to win. If shibai thinks in 3.336 NS and it takes saitama a whole 55.5NS to reach him then shibai can have 15 different thought processes and saitama would still not have reached him. I mean come on bro did you actually think if you take higher time frame to do something than someone it means you're faster? It means you are much slower.

Eida used it on the whole planet not one guy, she also has zero control over it unlike shibai and it still instantly covered the planet. Stop the cap
 
ReusedOil said:
OK I'm back with the graph bullsh*t again :D

We have established that the reason why garou can't keep up is because whenever he copies, in the middle and during of said process, Saitama already exponentially increases in strength right?

And we see this in the graph, where both Saitama and garou's line are portrayed to be moving at the same time: *horizontal line signify previous level


moving at the same time... until they aren't?

A jump from the 13tile to 17th, while garou's Line hasn't moved?

it's not a matter of like, saitama's line needs to move first before garou does because that's not how the previous depiction of the graph portrayed it. It's not turn based. It's only in the very last image of the graph that it works that way.

What are the implications of this?
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Damn my tired eyes. I had to do a triple take. Okay, all I see is:

1.) Garou's growth either stopped, slowed down or appears frozen in direct comparison to Saitama's. (This was likely done for artistic and or emphasis purposes. As in illustrating the sheer difference between the two.)
2.) Saitama is achieving greater growth in a much shorter time span than Garou. (Hence why they're misaligned.)

This may lead one to draw the conclusion that time either stopped or that the leap happened in 0 time, but we can see there is no correlation because Saitama's growth line isn't perfectly vertical assuming the bottom axis represents time. You may also be confused by the positioning, since the artist is trying to depict them both going alongside each other on that curve while also abiding by the rules of the graph.

Refer to qawsedf234's blog for another important detail:
vsbattles.fandom.com

One Punch Man - That one power graph

vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com

Only the first square was used, because they're and I quote "slightly different" from each other as time goes on. Meaning they're not reliable, meaning something similar could be said about the heads and their placements.

Side note: This still re-affirms my belief that people undersell Saitama's growth rate in VS matchups.
 
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AmongUsAboveUsBelow said:
Damn my tired eyes. I had to do a triple take. Okay, all I see is:

1.) Garou's growth either stopped, slowed down or appears frozen in direct comparison to Saitama's. (This was likely done for artistic and or emphasis purposes. As in illustrating the sheer difference between the two.)
2.) Saitama is achieving greater growth in a much shorter time span than Garou. (Hence why they're misaligned.)

This may lead one to draw the conclusion that time either stopped or that the leap happened in 0 time, but we can see there is no correlation because Saitama's growth line isn't perfectly vertical assuming the bottom axis represents time. You may also be confused by the positioning, since the artist is trying to depict them both going alongside each other on that curve while also abiding by the rules of the graph.

Refer to qawsedf234's blog for another important detail:
vsbattles.fandom.com

One Punch Man - That one power graph

vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com

Only the first square was used, because they're and I quote "slightly different" from each other as time goes on. Meaning they're not reliable, meaning something similar could be said about the heads and their placements.

Side note: This still re-affirms my belief that people undersell Saitama's growth rate in VS matchups.
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Thanks for the reply
ReusedOil said:
why?

If it's because of perception speed, then shouldn't the previous depictions of the graph show garou's line to be slowing down as saitama's goes up? But no, garou's climb remained relatively the same despite saitama's increase.

The last graph isn't JUST(keyword) a matter of "garou's line stopped because he didn't perceive the growth yet", otherwise the other graphs should also show saitama's line moving first.

This means the perception speed is already accounted for when it's showing both lines moving at the same time. The graph is taking snapshots of their power level after every increase. Factoring in perception speed results in saitama's line becoming higher than garou, and not in any way depicted to be affecting the speed in which garou's own line rises.

UNTIL the last graph

Can anyone share their opinions on this?
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Here's me explaining my point more
 
karo_senpaii said:
Since you decided of equal speed i'd save myself the stress of talking about it. For ap both momoshiki and the author note of TBV vol one both state omnipotence was both used to create the world as we know it and countless worlds.
Dude you sound silly equating thought process to combat speed. reaction time is quicker than combat speed and then thought process is even quicker than reaction time. But you know what? Let me give you that. Let's say shibai thought process is also 1c, even by your own analogy you're wrong. It's baffling to me how much you want saitama to win. If shibai thinks in 3.336 NS and it takes saitama a whole 55.5NS to reach him then shibai can have 15 different thought processes and saitama would still not have reached him. I mean come on bro did you actually think if you take higher time frame to do something than someone it means you're faster? It means you are much slower.

Eida used it on the whole planet not one guy, she also has zero control over it unlike shibai and it still instantly covered the planet. Stop the cap
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Where exactly is the 2B feat in what you're talking about? Also, I still haven’t accepted the speed equalization it was just an example. Bring the immeasurable and 2B scaling so the entire forum can see. I equalized everything in terms of speed because we are equalizing speed, and this doesn’t just mean our raw speed. But since you claim Shibai can win solely through thought speed, I specifically wanted to equalize thought speed as well. Anyway, I’m not trying to make Saitama win because he already wins, and the example you gave is wrong. Completing or deciding on a single thought takes 3.336 nanoseconds, meaning Shibai cannot complete or execute any thought before Saitama reaches him. He might start thinking, but he won’t finish it. Additionally, as I said, this isn’t something that happens instantly. at least not based on what we’ve seen with Eida. We don’t know if this programming works on one person instantly or not, so stop presenting it as if it happens instantly. Why are you still dragging this on? This is a simple matter. why is it so hard for you to accept this is a stomp
 
azizbengibi said:
Where exactly is the 2B feat in what you're talking about? Also, I still haven’t accepted the speed equalization it was just an example. Bring the immeasurable and 2B scaling so the entire forum can see. I equalized everything in terms of speed because we are equalizing speed, and this doesn’t just mean our raw speed. But since you claim Shibai can win solely through thought speed, I specifically wanted to equalize thought speed as well. Anyway, I’m not trying to make Saitama win because he already wins, and the example you gave is wrong. Completing or deciding on a single thought takes 3.336 nanoseconds, meaning Shibai cannot complete or execute any thought before Saitama reaches him. He might start thinking, but he won’t finish it. Additionally, as I said, this isn’t something that happens instantly. at least not based on what we’ve seen with Eida. We don’t know if this programming works on one person instantly or not, so stop presenting it as if it happens instantly. Why are you still dragging this on? This is a simple matter. why is it so hard for you to accept this is a stomp
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Let us split the argument one by one, if it takes shibai 3.3NS to think and it takes saitama 55NS to reach him, which of them would complete their move first?
 
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@azizbengibi

I use imgur. You can paste the raw image url in here once it's been uploaded to the site of your own choosing:
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Any free image hosting site should do.
 
ReusedOil said:
Thanks for the reply

Here's me explaining my point more
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My headcanon explanation is that Murata/ONE were tracking both of their growths and once it reached that point, Garou's growth had become irrelevant and that was their way of showing that. Occam's razor.
 
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AmongUsAboveUsBelow said:
My headcanon explanation is that Murata/ONE were tracking both of their growths and once it reached that point, Garou's growth had become irrelevant and that was their way of showing that. Occam's razor.
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Is there any other reason for garou's line to stop moving? We are talking about changing how the graph is previously depicted to work for your interpretation to fit.

...um just a thought, but what if the graph isn't finite? Like it is capable of reading infinities? Saitama's line isn't perfectly vertical because it is currently counting infinity and above? How plausible an explanation is it?
 
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ReusedOil said:
Is there any other reason for garou's line to stop moving? We are talking about changing how the graph is previously depicted to work for your interpretation to fit.

...um just a thought, but what if the graph isn't finite? Like it is capable of reading infinities? Saitama's line isn't perfectly vertical because it is currently counting infinity and above? How plausible an explanation is it?
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How is it changing the graph? My explanation treats it as an inconsistency at best.

The graph was finite? It's a zoomed in portion of a "graph" to isolate where they're at in relation to each other. The top part isn't a literal ceiling. That's the main reason it exists. And in my interpretation the bottom part of it is their level of power being measured since the beginning of the fight and not the series. It works both ways (up and down).

If we were to zoom in at an earlier point, there would be a lot more boxes between the start and where they are now.
 
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AmongUsAboveUsBelow said:
How is it changing the graph? My explanation treats it as an inconsistency at best.

The graph was finite? It's a zoomed in portion of a "graph" to isolate where they're at in relation to each other. The top part isn't a literal ceiling. That's the reason it exists. And in my interpretation the bottom part of it is their level of power being measured since the beginning of the fight and not the series. It works both ways (up and down).
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By changing, I mean going from "the graph depicts both moving" to "the graph now depicts something else, changing into simply a way to show garou's growth as irrelevant"

So yeah basically an inconsistency

Question, if the graph can read infinites and its what's happening here, is it a plausible explanation for why garou's line stopped moving?
 
ReusedOil said:
By changing, I mean going from "the graph depicts both moving" to "the graph now depicts something else, changing into simply a way to show garou's growth as irrelevant"

So yeah basically an inconsistency

Question, if the graph can read infinites and its what's happening here, is it a plausible explanation for why garou's line stopped moving?
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Yes, I was merely offering a different perspective, not necessarily the most analytical one.

And it's possible it has something to do with it. If zooming in and out on the graph is a thing then it stands to reason once we have zoomed far out enough, it wouldn't register to the naked eye as movement. That movement would be negligible in the bigger picture. Both literally and figuratively. The graph to me is an abstract construct that forces us to make certain concessions along the way.
 
AmongUsAboveUsBelow said:
Yes, I was merely offering a different perspective, not necessarily the most analytical one.

And it's possible it has something to do with it. If zooming in and out on the graph is a thing then it stands to reason once we have zoomed far out enough, it wouldn't register to the naked eye as movement. That movement would be negligible in the bigger picture. Both literally and figuratively.
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The zoomed in and zoomed out parts actually line up tho.

Zooming out, the lines move the same distance.

But I get your point. The way saitama's line is getting longer and longer, at a certain point zooming far enough garou's wouldn't be seen.

The problem is that currently, it's not far enough.
 
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ReusedOil said:
The zoomed in and zoomed out parts actually line up tho.

Zooming out, the lines move the same distance.
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I don't see it, those snapshots have them fairly close together. They're minor differences. So minor you can still make sense of what is going on.

Just to be clear. You're talking about the dots and not their heads, right? The little marked points before each growth? And you're wondering why they're not parallel to each other in the final snapshot?
 
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