DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[LegendariumOfLies]

Theres a difference between losing powers because the power source was destroyed, and not being able to have 2 powers at once. Schrodinger and level 0 cannot be used together as alucard wouldn't exist, greek realm and the norse realm did exist together at one point, also don't the blades of chaos still work despite being greek magic?

Yep, literally a major point in GOW 4

 

[ShionAH]

Yeah, but we don't have rules that Crossovers are treated as their own thing? Like MvC isn't canon to mainline Marvel.

I mean yeah, this is a death battle discussion not vsbattles wiki

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Honestly would be cool to have the Jabba the Hutt in a death battle with a faction like eggman vs bowser.

 

[TMaakkonen]

There still thinking about that episode lmaoooo

I mean tbf some of you do still bring up MachoKAD :V

apparently Digimon has outer args

Ive heard this but never seen them...

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

lmfao posted the wrong link, but im keeping it because it looks so funny OOC.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Hear me out: Asura gets added to SF6 as a DLC character, setting the two in the same universe.

It needs to ne estanlished sharing a universe, like Final Fight, Rival Schools and the wrestling game

 

[BlackDarkness679]

That is about as canon as Super Smash Bros. and even then, The Doctor is still much smarter.

Tbf its with WB properties, not franchises outside their ownership like smash, so its not like its some other company interpretation of a character they dont own

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Yeah, but we don't have rules that Crossovers are treated as their own thing? Like MvC isn't canon to mainline Marvel.

Its not canon to 616, but its canon to the multiverse, as MvC reality exists in Marvel cosmology

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Its not canon to 616, but its canon to the multiverse, as MvC reality exists in Marvel cosmology

And the Peter there got washed by Morlun IIRC

 

[BlackDarkness679]

And the Peter there got washed by Morlun IIRC

Oh yeah that panel of going into MvC reality to beat that spidey

 

[TMaakkonen]

One funny thing about the "propaganda" argument is that ironically Mimir himself questioned Kratos' battles and says its exaggerated because he supposedly time traveled which is stupid.

And then Kratos says that yes, he did in fact time traveled.

 

[CinnabarManx421]

Everyone out here arguing about Lore scaling, meanwhile I’m out here chilling knowing Kratos doesn’t need it to win, cause the Norse games made PlayStation: AllStars canon, and thus Kratos scales to Polygon Man merging universes together.

 

[Genericstickman]

Everyone out here arguing about Lore scaling, meanwhile I’m out here chilling knowing Kratos doesn’t need it to win, cause the Norse games made PlayStation: AllStars canon, and thus Kratos scales to Polygon Man merging universes together.

wasn't he downgraded?

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Everyone out here arguing about Lore scaling, meanwhile I’m out here chilling knowing Kratos doesn’t need it to win, cause the Norse games made PlayStation: AllStars canon, and thus Kratos scales to Polygon Man merging universes together.

Its just a reference nothing serious, bot like PSAS gives a boost of power to a level he aint already at

 

[TMaakkonen]

Ah yes, the true wincon.

Sackboy scaling

altho apparently he was the one who won not Kratos teehee

 

[StarShooter80]

Everyone out here arguing about Lore scaling, meanwhile I’m out here chilling knowing Kratos doesn’t need it to win, cause the Norse games made PlayStation: AllStars canon, and thus Kratos scales to Polygon Man merging universes together.

Erm, via environmental destruction

 

[AcidSilver]

Everyone out here arguing about Lore scaling, meanwhile I’m out here chilling knowing Kratos doesn’t need it to win, cause the Norse games made PlayStation: AllStars canon, and thus Kratos scales to Polygon Man merging universes together.

He also can quite literally get clowned on by Sweet Tooth of all people.

 

[AcidSilver]

Theres a difference between losing powers because the power source was destroyed, and not being able to have 2 powers at once. Schrodinger and level 0 cannot be used together as alucard wouldn't exist, greek realm and the norse realm did exist together at one point, also don't the blades of chaos still work despite being greek magic?

Okay but Kratos didn't get any Norse magic until after Greece was destroyed. Giving him his Greek magic would be like if DB reused All Might but gave him both his regular powers and the Iron Might suit or if they used Samus again but gave her every ability from every armor she's ever worn to create some kind of singular OC armor . A Kratos with both Greek and Norse magic does not and cannot exist within the lore since Kratos did not travel to Midgard until after Greece was destroyed. The Blades of Chaos still having power is never explained but both games make sure to point out that the blades are special and unique even to Brok and Sindri. Ragnarok even has Surtr say that the blades are infused with primordial fire which implies that said magic is different from the kind that Kratos normally uses.

 

[TMaakkonen]

Ngl if they do one-offs for BowserEggman, crossovers for AmogusGuys and fanfic compositing, mixing Greek Weps with Norse isnt anything new :V

 

[BlackDarkness679]

He also can quite literally get clowned on by Sweet Tooth of all people.

Nathan Drake or the playstation cats are like the weakest of the roster over Sweet Tooth

 

[Tipper17]

Ngl if they do one-offs for BowserEggman, crossovers for AmogusGuys and fanfic compositing, mixing Greek Weps with Norse isnt anything new :V

Animation wise They'll probably stick to Norse Stuff
While The research would focus for m how Greek and Norse Fare against Asura

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Ngl if they do one-offs for BowserEggman, crossovers for AmogusGuys and fanfic compositing, mixing Greek Weps with Norse isnt anything new :V

Also isnt kratos at his peak i greek era? Norse self is toned down canonically, still powerful but not near his prime

 

[Tipper17]

 

[Dust_Collector]

Also isnt kratos at his peak i greek era? Norse self is toned down canonically, still powerful but not near his prime

Nah the only point Kratos is stronger in greek era is with power of hope, otherwise his current norse self is equal to his peak strength in GOW (Although tbh you can make an argument either way for his greek or norse self having a slight AP advantage).

 

[TMaakkonen]

Kratos is unironically holding back a lot in Norse games.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Cheering and rooting Kratos never played the other guy's games

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Cheering and rooting Kratos never played the other guy's games

You should, for the low price of 20 something dollars or whatever

Or you could watch it all on Youtube. Trust me, Asura's Wrath is peak fiction, and Asura is peak dad.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Nah the only point Kratos is stronger in greek era is with power of hope, otherwise his current norse self is equal to his peak strength in GOW (Although tbh you can make an argument either way for his greek or norse self having a slight AP advantage).

Didnt Kratos say greek era was tougher and stronger then norse era? Also the director

 

[BlackDarkness679]

 

[Joycap]

This should be a green screen meme

 

[TMaakkonen]

I dont think Kratos ever said Greek > Norse specifically, mostly just Fate's magic not existing in Norse was implied would have ****** em up if Odin had it.

Iirc some writers have said Old Kratos would beat Young Kratos.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Didnt Kratos say greek era was tougher and stronger then norse era? Also the director

Nah, he only said he's killed gods greater than Heimdall specifically (Which only really covers the stronger gods in Greece, doesn't imply every one of them were superior). Kratos directly calls Thors blows as heavy as any he's ever felt, plus Thor is only 1 of 2 characters able to knock Kratos out of his spartan rage in a fight with the other being Hercules, the director considered Odin vs Zeus a debatable fight, and in terms of raw physical strength Thor and Tyr (Who Kratos beats) is superior to him Unless you're weekly and think Thor is stronger than Kratos for some reason

Kratos in GOW 2018 is much weaker than his greek self, but by the time Ragnarok happens he's back to his old levels of strength.

 

[Imaginym]

Hey, so thoughts on Lucemon vs Lucifer(Digimon vs Shin Megami Tensei)? It’s an MU I’ve been pushing for awhile and apparently Digimon has outer args

I'd be happy to see this.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Nah, he only said he's killed gods greater than Heimdall specifically (Which only really covers the stronger gods in Greece, doesn't imply every one of them were superior). Kratos directly calls Thors blows as heavy as any he's ever felt, plus Thor is only 1 of 2 characters able to knock Kratos out of his spartan rage in a fight with the other being Hercules, the director considered Odin vs Zeus a debatable fight, and in terms of raw physical strength Thor and Tyr (Who Kratos beats) is superior to him Unless you're weekly and think Thor is stronger than Kratos for some reason

Kratos in GOW 2018 is much weaker than his greek self, but by the time Ragnarok happens he's back to his old levels of strength.

I see, heh, interesting

 

[Gyra1524]

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Welp, new potential feats that can make the sun disk not be a joke anymore, would be funny lol

 

[Tipper17]

Welp, new potential feats that can make the sun disk not be a joke anymore, would be funny lol

I wonder how long it'll be going

 

[Electronic74947]

Okay but Kratos didn't get any Norse magic until after Greece was destroyed. Giving him his Greek magic would be like if DB reused All Might but gave him both his regular powers and the Iron Might suit or if they used Samus again but gave her every ability from every armor she's ever worn to create some kind of singular OC armor . A Kratos with both Greek and Norse magic does not and cannot exist within the lore since Kratos did not travel to Midgard until after Greece was destroyed. The Blades of Chaos still having power is never explained but both games make sure to point out that the blades are special and unique even to Brok and Sindri. Ragnarok even has Surtr say that the blades are infused with primordial fire which implies that said magic is different from the kind that Kratos normally uses.

your talking about lore wise, theoretically. He could have had both if Greek magic still lives. Lore wise he can’t because the source is destroyed but in terms of a vs sense. He would have access to it because this is a deathbattle, not a crossover

 

[Gyra1524]

It's a prequel that takes place between INVINCIBLE #19-#55. Or AKA the first time we see Battle Beast and Battle Beast escaping the Viltrumite prison.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

I wonder how long it'll be going

Depends on kirkman i guess, honestly how long can you have a comic be going these days now?