RWBY: Maiden scaling to Semblances and the Mantle Bomb

[Cire]

Hello, all,

In the scans of the new RWBY art book, RWBY Promenade, there is a statement that says that maidens's magic are, quote, "far more powerful than a semblance." Translation is by Speedy on the DB Discord

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The art book also includes Vine as well, and explicitly states that he contained the bomb with his semblance. I just used the translate app on my phone for these ones.




Thus, Vine's semblance and his feat would be included with how maiden magic is "far more powerful than a semblance."

This forum already has maidens on a different tier than most of the cast due to their visually more impressive feats and good fight track record, such as Cinder fending off all of Team RWBY at once, so this makes sense (even though I don't strictly believe that.)

Vine was able to create a bubble strong enough to contain the Mantle bomb, which has a yield of 138 megatons (though I think this is a highball).

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Just wanted to get the ball rolling on a discussion. General gist is that magic should be above semblances, which was already clear from feats within the show but now is explicitly said.

 

[Oscar]

I see this as coherent, approved

 

[Cire]

I also can lean on this being tiered in “likely” or “possibly.”

 

[Cire]

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[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks fine.

 

[Cire]

Looks fine.

thank you

 

[KobsterHope07]

Already given my opinion in the discussion thread, but just a minor note, if the Explosion result is going to be used (depending on if the explosion is implied to happen in the air), then the 138 Megatons will have to be divided by 2 as noted in the calc comments

 

[Cire]

Already given my opinion in the discussion thread, but just a minor note, if the Explosion result is going to be used (depending on if the explosion is implied to happen in the air), then the 138 Megatons will have to be divided by 2 as noted in the calc comm

The bomb was planned on being planted down in Mantle and then set off.

 

[Damage3245]

Vine doesn't scale to that calc on his profile.

 

[Cire]

Vine doesn't scale to that calc on his profile.

Even if we died in the feat, his semblance still bubbled it. And as the scans show, maiden magic is far more powerful than his semblance.

 

[Cire]

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[Cire]

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[Damage3245]

How exactly would the profiles be changed? Because as I pointed out, Vine doesn't currently scale to the calc in his own profile.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

How exactly would the profiles be changed? Because as I pointed out, Vine doesn't currently scale to the calc in his own profile.

I'm guessing that because the OP's arguing that Maidens magic is more powerful than Semblances, Maidens and those who scale to/above them will be put above Vine's Semblance being used to contain the explosion of the Mantle bomb.

My issue, currently, is if this will open up discussions about characters downscaling to Maidens like Cinder, Winter, and the like. We've already had discussions in the past about scaling Vine to something which killed him, and downscaling characters to Maidens that scale above that is going to continue that.

 

[Cire]

I'm guessing that because the OP's arguing that Maidens magic is more powerful than Semblances, Maidens and those who scale to/above them will be put above Vine's Semblance being used to contain the explosion of the Mantle bomb.

My issue, currently, is if this will open up discussions about characters downscaling to Maidens like Cinder, Winter, and the like. We've already had discussions in the past about scaling Vine to something which killed him, and downscaling characters to Maidens that scale above that is going to continue that.

Right now, I won’t push that for regular cast. I’ve already tried and failed. This would only be for maidens. As for Vine, his semblance would scale to the bomb either way, but he himself won’t. Does that make sense?

 

[Cire]

Though I will say that if he had bubbled the bomb without him inside, he could have lived. But that’s another topic.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Right now, I won’t push that for regular cast. I’ve already tried and failed. This would only be for maidens. As for Vine, his semblance would scale to the bomb either way, but he himself won’t. Does that make sense?

Yeah I currently agree with your proposal, but only as long as it scales to the Maidens and those who are above them. Keep it away from the main cast for the time being, and I'll have no complaints.

 

[Damage3245]

I'm guessing that because the OP's arguing that Maidens magic is more powerful than Semblances, Maidens and those who scale to/above them will be put above Vine's Semblance being used to contain the explosion of the Mantle bomb.

My issue, currently, is if this will open up discussions about characters downscaling to Maidens like Cinder, Winter, and the like. We've already had discussions in the past about scaling Vine to something which killed him, and downscaling characters to Maidens that scale above that is going to continue that.

I assumed that'd be the case, but Vine's Semblance currently doesn't scale to the explosion to the proposal doesn't seem to be built on solid grounds without changing that first.

 

[Cire]

I assumed that'd be the case, but Vine's Semblance currently doesn't scale to the explosion to the proposal doesn't seem to be built on solid grounds without changing that first.

I didn’t realize that. I just assumed his semblance would scale to the bomb due to containing the full yield.

 

[Cire]

Could we make it so that Vine’s semblance alone scales, but not he himself? We have characters in profiles have certain values that they can achieve but they themselves cannot scale to, like a weapon or a magic spell from a staff.

 

[Oscar]

Could we make it so that Vine’s semblance alone scales, but not he himself? We have characters in profiles have certain values that they can achieve but they themselves cannot scale to, like a weapon or a magic spell from a staff.

The problem is that Vine's likeness is with him using his aura and everything

 

[KobsterHope07]

Could we make it so that Vine’s semblance alone scales, but not he himself? We have characters in profiles have certain values that they can achieve but they themselves cannot scale to, like a weapon or a magic spell from a staff.

I believe you can do a “City Block level, higher with Aura, up to XYZ with Semblance (At its peak, Vine can produce a "bubble" that is robust enough to contain a bomb that would have annihilated Mantle)

 

[Cire]

The problem is that Vine's likeness is with him using his aura and everything

Can you explain?

 

[Cire]

I believe you can do a “City Block level, higher with Aura, up to XYZ with Semblance (At its peak, Vine can produce a "bubble" that is robust enough to contain a bomb that would have annihilated Mantle)

That sounds good.

 

[Cire]

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[Cire]

Bumping this once again.

 

[Elizhaa]

I believe you can do a “City Block level, higher with Aura, up to XYZ with Semblance (At its peak, Vine can produce a "bubble" that is robust enough to contain a bomb that would have annihilated Mantle)

This option seems fine.

 

[Cire]

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[KobsterHope07]

Bump again

Best to invite more staff to evaluate this thread

 

[Cire]

Best to invite more staff to evaluate this thread

Who would you recommend that seem available?

 

[KobsterHope07]

Who would you recommend that seem available?

Can’t say, invite any number of staffs who are Administrator, Content Moderators or Thread Moderators. Either that or post this thread on the content revision promotion thread and hope it draw some attention

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Agree with Elizhaa, that option seems good.

 

[Cire]

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[Jinx666]

I mean Semblances dont exactly scale in terms of 'power'. We have Vine who had a pretty strong containment feat that killed him, but other characters like Elm (who literally just makes vines to ingrain herself) or Marrow (paralysis based ability) dont really feel like they would be judged in that of raw power. Theres nothing saying anyone with comparablle aura to Vine would even survive the Mantle bomb given the threat, and the nature of Vines semblance being capable of expanding outward in order to contain it. Dk if this would scale to any physical stats.

Feel more like a case as Jaune where he just has an abnormal level of aura compared to others or smthn. He gives off that zen-trope character

I also dont know if Maiden powers even gives you a physical stat amp over just giving strong control of the elements. The only instance really where a clear physical use of maiden abilities are used is Raven and Cinder creating swords, even though that was something Cinder could do anyway and doesnt necessarily prove as such.

 

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