Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

[James_Plays_4_Games]

If the word "debate" affects you so much, the problem is not with us but with you.

I don't see how this addresses anything I wrote. You didn't tell me the word "debate" and I wasn't complaining about engaging in a debate. I'm complaining about your behavior within the debate.

I think the result of the crt I did must have bothered you, you say these things,

Don't distract from the subject. My report is about your behavior, not about the result of your thread. I clearly stated in my report that I don't care to revert the result you reached in accordance with my report.

there is nothing wrong with giving fallacy in discussion, there is a section for this in the wiki, there is nothing wrong with saying that your claims are wrong,

So? After I disagreed with you about me doing a fallacy for a reason that I expressed, you merely told me that my ideas were funny as in ridiculous and that I was continuously ignoring your point. Those were lies, and they persisted and escalated the longer the discussion was happening. I didn't claim that it's inherently wrong to tell someone that they're doing a fallacy.

I clearly say that I am waiting for the admin, the admin says I will look at it later, instead of waiting for the admin, you say you said this to me, you said that, if you are uncomfortable discussing as if your admin is preventing you from seeing the messages, there's nothing I can do.

In the end, as I described, I left the thread for the staff member to decide your revision's fate. You don't have control over me to decide that I'm not allowed to participate in the thread, but as you described, our discussion was unproductive (no matter who's fault it was), so I had quit it anyway.

 

[CloverDragon03]

If the word "debate" affects you so much, the problem is not with us but with you.

I think the result of the crt I did must have bothered you, you say these things, there is nothing wrong with giving fallacy in discussion, there is a section for this in the wiki, there is nothing wrong with saying that your claims are wrong, I clearly say that I am waiting for the admin, the admin says I will look at it later, instead of waiting for the admin, you say you said this to me, you said that, if you are uncomfortable discussing as if your admin is preventing you from seeing the messages, there's nothing I can do.

I don’t think you’re helping your case by basically going “well it’s actually your fault for being offended by this”

Anyways, you’ve all made your points clear, so there’s no need to clog the thread any further

 

[zaraus]

right

 

[E6pire]

Ok

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I agree with James Plays for Games that what they both seem to say quite regularly seem quite mean spirited. I don't think it's enough for them to be banned or anything, but Bambu has given them warnings. So it seems they just need to be more respectful in the future and be more acknowledging that if staff majority vote against something, that points to their proposals being rejected.

 

[CodeCCLL]

It's unlikely we'll need to delete the entire verse for this. The situation is certainly bad given the potential for long-running corruptions but it isn't dire enough to Old Yeller the sorry thing. If nobody more knowledgeable volunteers, I suppose I will go through Jozay's threads and see what, if anything, is outright amiss, and return with my findings. I will grumble about it, however.

Is there any progress on this issue? Considering that I initially helped you with this issue, I would also like to point out that if truly large-scale corruption is detected, I will not hesitate to voluntarily take on the task of fixing all affected profiles.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Antvasima's last ping on the subject represents the last development- none of those staff seem willing to assist here, so it may well befall me to dig through them. I appreciate the offer of assistance in the aftermath of that, given that I'm not familiar with the verse.

(I will try to get to this sooner rather than later, sorry if it takes awhile)

 

[Antvasima]

It's unlikely we'll need to delete the entire verse for this. The situation is certainly bad given the potential for long-running corruptions but it isn't dire enough to Old Yeller the sorry thing. If nobody more knowledgeable volunteers, I suppose I will go through Jozay's threads and see what, if anything, is outright amiss, and return with my findings. I will grumble about it, however.

I agree with Bambu. We just need volunteers to evaluate if the recent TSSDK revisions have been legitimate.

Is there any progress on this issue? Considering that I initially helped you with this issue, I would also like to point out that if truly large-scale corruption is detected, I will not hesitate to voluntarily take on the task of fixing all affected profiles.

Antvasima's last ping on the subject represents the last development- none of those staff seem willing to assist here, so it may well befall me to dig through them. I appreciate the offer of assistance in the aftermath of that, given that I'm not familiar with the verse.

(I will try to get to this sooner rather than later, sorry if it takes awhile)

@Celestial_Pegasus @Elizhaa @Community_Gamer @Metalballrun @CrimsonStarFallen @Everything12 @God900 @InfiniteCosmology @Ionliosite @Metalballrun @Milly_Rocking_Bandit @RitsuØ1 @The_real_cal_howard @Community_Gamer @Lesser_Goddess_Alexia @AzuRizzz @Satanichia_Chlammy_Mafahl @Wikisource @Shiraito983 @GarrixianXD @Hl3_or_bust @AmogusSusfunni

Are any of you willing and able to help out with this please? Bambu is already helping out a lot as it is.

 

[CodeCCLL]

Are any of you willing and able to help out with this please? Bambu is already helping out a lot as it is.

This isn't something a blue names can check because only staff can look at the edit history of threads, but I'll still look at past threads, their last edit dates, and the dates of the staff's last comment on the thread and list the ones that are likely to have something like this.

The thread where the rule violation occurred.

Spoiler: Thread

Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Upgrade for Characters (Simple and short)

Introduction There's no introduction per say just agree with what you can and state why don't agree with what you can't Social Influencing for Demon lords and heroes and a special one for Rimuru Demon lords are by all means "a threat" to the society a system created by Veldanava to keep society...

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Threads similar to this that may have been edited after staff comments.

Spoiler: Threads

Tensura Revision : Part 3

Part 1, Part 2 Conceptual Existence For spiritual lifeforms Spiritual Lifeforms Abstract Existence should now be Conceptual Existence Proof one- Laws are abstract and they are also conceptual on Type 2 level since its "The world" Abstract Existence (Type 1 - Laws - Spiritual Lifeforms consist...

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Tensura Revision 2 : More addition

Vector Manipulation Minitz Unique skill : It allows the user to exert a powerful force on any matter in their line of vision, applying directionality to the push/pull force of the star to crush or rip apart their opponents.[1] The only way to oppose this ability is to send out a directional...

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Cosmology Revision : Range and Tier upgrade of Tensura characters

Yes,the only thing prilly can get 5D is Imaginary world,its does sayd can filled 10.000 X world but we cant just sayd it can contain/ecompassed infinite world... But if in case it can yes it would be l1c.. as the imaginary space beeing the smallest infinity ecompassed another infinite and its...

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4th wall breaking/ Awareness throughout slime verse

I.ned on making this a singular upgrade but ig almost everyone or everyone in slime can get this 1. Rimuru Creates Real life mangas that is readable by everyone in the series for example he created a spin off manga of the series for Veldora to read, Veldora was also reading how not to summon a...

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Rimuru Volume 16 complete upgrade

Alright back at it again no more (small upgrades) and am here to completely upgrade slime boy first of all his hax Should be simple enough Void manipulation with Nihility banish Summoning with true dragon summoning Greatly enhanced space time manipulation or infinte speed teleportation via Space...

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The threads I have listed are the thread on which the OP was edited after the staff's evaluation of the thread in the past. Therefore, first of all, edit of these threads should be checked by the staff.

However, since I couldn't see the exact times of the staff's comments and the OP's edits, I based them only on the date.

Apart from that, to make it easier to check for minor time differences if I think "what else can I do?", I could list the threads where the OP was edited on the same day as the staff/staffs evaluation. This would save a small amount of time by preveny unnecessary checking of some threads that were not edited at all and some threads that were not edited after the staff review, but as you can imagine it would not help much.

 

[Antvasima]

This isn't something a blue names can check because only staff can look at the edit history of threads

Are you certain? I thought that any of our members can look at edit-histories. Please check here for example:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Superman_(Post-Crisis)?action=history

 

[Reiner04]

Are you certain? I thought that any of our members can look at edit-histories. Please check here for example:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Superman_(Post-Crisis)?action=history

He/she talking about history/edits Made within the thread not the wiki pages.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. My apologies for the misunderstanding.

 

[Wikisource]

@Celestial_Pegasus @Elizhaa @Community_Gamer @Metalballrun @CrimsonStarFallen @Everything12 @God900 @InfiniteCosmology @Ionliosite @Metalballrun @Milly_Rocking_Bandit @RitsuØ1 @The_real_cal_howard @Community_Gamer @Lesser_Goddess_Alexia @AzuRizzz @Satanichia_Chlammy_Mafahl @Wikisource @Shiraito983 @GarrixianXD @Hl3_or_bust @AmogusSusfunni

Are any of you willing and able to help out with this please? Bambu is already helping out a lot as it is.

Excuse me but can someone explain to me what's going on? I just came back and saw I was tagged by Antvasima.

If you require any help, I am willing to help to the best of my ability.

 

[Reiner04]

Excuse me but can someone explain to me what's going on? I just came back and saw I was tagged by Antvasima.

If you require any help, I am willing to help to the best of my ability.

@Jozaysmith?'s one recent CRT was accepted by staff, but after acceptance, he altered his CRT to add some broken abilities like non-duality and immortality without asking staff to evaluate the thread again to get them accepted without anyone noticing it. He got banned for 2 years as punishment. We don't know for how long or how many times in the past he has done it, so knowledgeable members of the verse have been pinged to help look for CRTs or changes he has potentially made this way.

 

[Wikisource]

@Jozaysmith?'s one recent CRT was accepted by staff, but after acceptance, he altered his CRT to add some broken abilities like non-duality and immortality without asking staff to evaluate the thread again to get them accepted without anyone noticing it. He got banned for 2 years as punishment. We don't know for how long or how many times in the past he has done it, so knowledgeable members of the verse have been pinged to help look for CRTs or changes he has potentially made this way.

Oh, I see

 

[Mr. Bambu]

As no other staff have replied to the summons and non-staff can't check thread histories, I believe this falls back into my inbox. I'll try to get to it relatively quickly.

 

[Reiner04]

and non-staff can't check thread histories

Out of curiosity- Is there any specific reason for this restriction? Wouldn't it be better if anyone can check edit histories like on wiki pages? It'll increase transparency of threads and prevent such things from happening, or, will stop if already happening...

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I have no idea, I presume it's just the default setting the forum came with- as you say, we already allow this to be done on the wiki, there's not really any reason to restrict it here. Unless I want to start cursing at non-staff and then hiding it, I suppose.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes. I think it is an inbuilt XenForo feature.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Antvasima's last ping on the subject represents the last development- none of those staff seem willing to assist here, so it may well befall me to dig through them. I appreciate the offer of assistance in the aftermath of that, given that I'm not familiar with the verse.

(I will try to get to this sooner rather than later, sorry if it takes awhile)

Combing through the Jozaysmith? situation. I regret to inform the thread that there appears to be an expiration date for the history of threads here on the forum- at multiple points in these threads I was met with this. This means that I can only work with what staff members specifically spoke about as accepted/rejected; given the proclivity of many staff members to say only a couple of words ("looks good") and nothing more, this renders everything about this investigation tenuous.

Several options exist to address this without going scorched earth mode and deleting the verse. For these threads in particular, "looks good" as a staff vote may be invalidated for our purposes. Alternatively, we may simply reopen the CRTs and re-evaluate them starting from zero, or we may attempt to undo the specific edits done by these CRTs (this will take substantially longer than the other two, I believe).

Due to the meandering and non-cohesive nature of Jozaysmith?'s writing, it is difficult to pinpoint what many of these CRTs did in particular- the process will take longer than anticipated regardless. I will await suggestions on what to do about a lack of edit history before continuing on.

 

[CodeCCLL]

I will await suggestions on what to do about a lack of edit history before continuing on.

If there is no suggestion about this..

Several options exist to address this without going scorched earth mode and deleting the verse. For these threads in particular, "looks good" as a staff vote may be invalidated for our purposes. Alternatively, we may simply reopen the CRTs and re-evaluate them starting from zero, or we may attempt to undo the specific edits done by these CRTs (this will take substantially longer than the other two, I believe).

Well, but shouldn't we also consider the possibility that such an event has never happened in any other content revision before? After all, it did happen, and shortly afterwards it was noticed by someones, the user was reported, and the changes were reverted by you. So at least if you haven't found anything that raises suspicion in the thread edit histories that, you can alread checked, then it might be an option for the verse to continue with self, upgrade/downgrade revisions.

So yes, if we do that, of course there will be some people who will be disgruntled, who will want to think that it is being covered up. But in my opinion, the options you present are not something you can easily put into practice in a verse like TSSDK. Of the threads that Jozaysmith made, with the exception of one Web Novel continuum downgrade thread (and another thread that wants to roll back changes to that downgrade thread is already being discussed), they are all upgrade threads that concern the Light Novel continuum, so it's not really a Web Novel continuum issue, but there are still ongoing or planned revisions to both continuums, pages that need to be created/revised in verse. While this is happening, how can one go through the difficult and lengthy process of re-evaluating Jozaysmith's content revisions/manually undoing his edits?

In Jozaysmith's case, I can certainly understand those who feel that there is no smoke where there is no fire, but in this case perhaps it might make more sense to actually take measures to ensure that something like this doesn't happen again. For example, the verse page could include that rule "Due to the controversial nature of the verse and some past rule violations, TSSDK content revisions have a pre-review period of 24 hours (sample) before staff can consider the content revision. This period is reserved for the content revision to be sufficiently viewed / and discussed by members, and staff should not be called in to evaluate the content revision during this time." or adding the verse to the list of controversial verses that require content revisions to be evaluated by at least 3 staff members would be an additional measure that could be taken in any scenario.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Well, but shouldn't we also consider the possibility that such an event has never happened in any other content revision before?

Such a possibility was never ruled out, but we must continue under the assumption that it has. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst, that sort of thing. I began this investigation from the earliest up- so far I've only found threads with lost histories.

So yes, if we do that, of course there will be some people who will be disgruntled, who will want to think that it is being covered up. But in my opinion, the options you present are not something you can easily put into practice in a verse like TSSDK. Of the threads that Jozaysmith made, with the exception of one Web Novel continuum downgrade thread (and another thread that wants to roll back changes to that downgrade thread is already being discussed), they are all upgrade threads that concern the Light Novel continuum, so it's not really a Web Novel continuum issue, but there are still ongoing or planned revisions to both continuums, pages that need to be created/revised in verse. While this is happening, how can one go through the difficult and lengthy process of re-evaluating Jozaysmith's content revisions/manually undoing his edits?

The process will be bad for the verse, yes, but I must stress that Garrixian's proposal of deletion is a very real consideration that represents a much more dire alternative. We cannot run the risk of a verse having randomly implemented upgrades hidden by the guise of apparently legitimate upgrades, this jeopardizes the validity of the pages fundamentally. It would be better for the health of our wiki to not have these pages and to restart from the bottom up than to have them with the very strong possibility of there being illegitimately added content in them.

In Jozaysmith's case, I can certainly understand those who feel that there is no smoke where there is no fire, but in this case perhaps it might make more sense to actually take measures to ensure that something like this doesn't happen again. For example, the verse page could include that rule "Due to the controversial nature of the verse and some past rule violations, TSSDK content revisions have a pre-review period of 24 hours (sample) before staff can consider the content revision. This period is reserved for the content revision to be sufficiently viewed / and discussed by members, and staff should not be called in to evaluate the content revision during this time." or adding the verse to the list of controversial verses that require content revisions to be evaluated by at least 3 staff members would be an additional measure that could be taken in any scenario.

Such a rule may be an additional measure, although this wouldn't solve the potential current risk. Additionally, I don't think such a rule would fully abate the matter- the CRT can be edited at any time by the individual, this only forces them to wait a further 24 hours if they want to deceitfully add in more changes: the only real measure would be to have only staff members implement changes, which I really don't want to do. I'm open to the existence of such a rule, but I can't think of anything that would actually solve the issue in the future. I would agree requiring three staff votes, as this may do a little to abate the issue.

 

[Antvasima]

I suspect that older forum post histories may have disappeared during our move to a server with much higher capacity.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I suspect that older forum post histories may have disappeared during our move to a server with much higher capacity.

That seems a likely cause, you're right. Do you have any ideas regarding what we might do in this situation?

 

[Antvasima]

Our system administrator wonders if you can link to some posts that you were unable to view the edit-histories for, so he can investigate.

 

[Antvasima]

Our system administrator wonders if you can link to some posts that you were unable to view the edit-histories for, so he can investigate.

@Mr. Bambu

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Oh, sorry.

Tensura AP upgrade: for all tops(Read the crt)

disclaimer -please before arguing read the crt PLEASE this upgrade thread is using the translated volume, i will also add future volumes feat, Note; No matter how bad or off the translation of the future volume will be twisted the feat i will represent will still not alter additionally i will...

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Simple Short Upgrade for slime boy

disclaimer i am here to propose a very simple Hax and intelligence upgrade For rimuru tempest only, I was meant to do bulk hax upgrade but i don't want to get in the way of celestial pegasus so i would wait until he makes a volume 16 upgrade thread before acting the base hax&IQ upgrade Super...

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General hax upgrade for Slime characters

as obvious i have come back again but this time for practically everyone in verse since everyone can use magic the feat now this is a thread for magic users, i checked and recently the arguments for them seem to fall in place for Conceptual manipulation type 3/2, reality warping, Law...

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I don't know how exhaustive a list you wanted but these three all present the above error. I imagine the issue is the same for all of them.

 

[Mizuki67]

Oh, sorry.

Tensura AP upgrade: for all tops(Read the crt)

disclaimer -please before arguing read the crt PLEASE this upgrade thread is using the translated volume, i will also add future volumes feat, Note; No matter how bad or off the translation of the future volume will be twisted the feat i will represent will still not alter additionally i will...

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Simple Short Upgrade for slime boy

disclaimer i am here to propose a very simple Hax and intelligence upgrade For rimuru tempest only, I was meant to do bulk hax upgrade but i don't want to get in the way of celestial pegasus so i would wait until he makes a volume 16 upgrade thread before acting the base hax&IQ upgrade Super...

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General hax upgrade for Slime characters

as obvious i have come back again but this time for practically everyone in verse since everyone can use magic the feat now this is a thread for magic users, i checked and recently the arguments for them seem to fall in place for Conceptual manipulation type 3/2, reality warping, Law...

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I don't know how exhaustive a list you wanted but these three all present the above error. I imagine the issue is the same for all of them.

i don't think there are any problems with these 3 threads though. The staffs already agreed with what was edited in. I can give u most of the links to jozay thread if u find it difficult to check.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

If you like. The issue here is that I can't see the Histories of these threads, which means it is more difficult to verify if there was anything fishy going on. I can't confirm it without knowing. So, we await a response from the IT guy.

 

[Mizuki67]

If you like. The issue here is that I can't see the Histories of these threads, which means it is more difficult to verify if there was anything fishy going on. I can't confirm it without knowing. So, we await a response from the IT guy.

just check here https://vsbattles.com/search/3464207/?t=post&c[content]=thread&c[users]=Jozaysmith?&o=date

all of his slime revisions are here

 

[Catzlaflame]

just check here https://vsbattles.com/search/3464207/?t=post&c[content]=thread&c[users]=Jozaysmith?&o=date

all of his slime revisions are here

Not what he’s talking about.

It’s the individual threads. Let’s say for this thread:

Tensura AP upgrade: for all tops(Read the crt)

disclaimer -please before arguing read the crt PLEASE this upgrade thread is using the translated volume, i will also add future volumes feat, Note; No matter how bad or off the translation of the future volume will be twisted the feat i will represent will still not alter additionally i will...

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We can see that he edited the OP. We just need to know what he added (theoretically, after the staff accepted the thread)

Regardless, the sys admin is working on it, so let’s leave it at that for now.

 

[Passersby]

idk if this is RVR worthy, or if it really counts for much but people in this thread have been weirdly hostile for no appearent reason, basically ignoring everything i've said and instead of trying to tell me why i'm wrong, they constantly remind me that i just am,altough the last post is kinda clear cut about it

well, first time reporting something, but it is what it is

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

idk if this is RVR worthy, or if it really counts for much but people in this thread have been weirdly hostile for no appearent reason, basically ignoring everything i've said and instead of trying to tell me why i'm wrong, they constantly remind me that i just am,altough the last post is kinda clear cut about it

well, first time reporting something, but it is what it is

It's annoying to argue with someone who can't grasp an extremely basic conclusion from a small and simple amount of elements and grasps at every straws to dismiss it. People aren't being "weirdly" hostile for "no apparent reason", perhaps maybe it's time for you reflect as well with the attitude you have been giving.

I have no further say in whatever punishment I may get because I already said the things and I meant them.

 

[Mr._Propeller_Hat]

I have noticed things are getting pretty heated up over there, but I won't starting giving out warnings other than to tell y'all to knock it off and behave yourselves

 

[Passersby]

who can't grasp an extremely basic conclusion from a small and simple amount of elements and grasps at every straws to dismiss it

....this is quite ironic, but whatever


my purpose here is simply to make everyone who has nothing of value to add to the convesation shut up because it's annoying

if you have anything of value to offer and prove me wrong, say it there, not here

edit: apologies for replying again, i will be leaving now

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Both of you were being at the very least aggressive with each other (and other users in the thread, mind). In my view it is just how debates tend to go. When tone is hard to interpret, and you're put into that defensive position, it's easy to get... well. Defensive. Which seems aggressive outwardly.

Just cool off a bit, play nice, etc. It happens to all of us. No warnings are necessary. Just don't carry on like this further, please.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I agree with Bambu and Propellus

 

[Sir_Ovens]

It's annoying to argue with someone who can't grasp an extremely basic conclusion from a small and simple amount of elements and grasps at every straws to dismiss it. People aren't being "weirdly" hostile for "no apparent reason", perhaps maybe it's time for you reflect as well with the attitude you have been giving.

I have no further say in whatever punishment I may get because I already said the things and I meant them.

Yeah but calling them a clown was uncalled for.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Yeah but calling them a clown was uncalled for.

I think what's worthy of note, even if the initial exchange is not exactly warning-worthy for either side, is the fact that MGQ is doubling down and basically going "no, you actually brought this on yourself" instead of taking any form of accountability or even providing a halfway-decent defense

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

I think what's worthy of note, even if the initial exchange is not exactly warning-worthy for either side, is the fact that MGQ is doubling down and basically going "no, you actually brought this on yourself" instead of taking any form of accountability or even providing a halfway-decent defense

Never had a defense for myself in the first place. Yea I can agree what I said was unwarranted but I'm not gonna apologize for it (just should've kept to myself). I'm just saying I was not the only one who was out of line (as the person who was reporting was feigning innocence which I was calling out), not that I should not be punished because of that.