Rimuru Volume 16 complete upgrade

[Jozaysmith?]

Alright back at it again no more (small upgrades) and am here to completely upgrade slime boy

first of all his hax​

Should be simple enough
Void manipulation with Nihility banish
Summoning with true dragon summoning
Greatly enhanced space time manipulation or infinte speed teleportation via Space time Domination
Quantum manipulation via spiritons

Spiritrons (霊子, reishi?) are the building block of spiritual energies, most notably Magicules. They ignore the conventional rules of space-time and the utilization of spiritrons results in extremely powerful magic such as the miracle class spells of Holy Magic or Nuclear Magic.

Due to their erratic and near unpredictable movement, they can bypass all barriers. The only way to completely guard against them is to weaponize spiritrons as well or to force them to stop.

Here it clearly says they are what make up magicules which are atomic, and they have erratic unpredictable nature same as all quantomic particles

Magicules are similiar to atoms and made up of Spiritrons. They are invisible to the naked human eye and despite having mass, do not normally interact with most types of physical matter and energy, although they are capable of doing so. They act as a sort of radiation and can be found inside of materials as well as in the atmosphere.

Energy and chaos manipulation via turn null

Chaos Manipulation and Energy Manipulation seem to be good for Turn Null.

Spoiler

Nihility Collapse:

The ultimate destructive energy that fills the chaotic world. Full control over it was possible for the first time thanks to the Manas.



My Ultimate Skill ‘Void God Azathoth’ has an inexhaustible source of energy known as ‘Nihility Collapse’ that is difficult to handle.



Putting Master at risk is not possible.

Spoiler

Chaos Manipulation is the ability to manipulate chaos, fundamentally different than darkness or nothingness. That is, power over disharmony, confusion, disorder, and destructiveness in their most pure and vivid forms. Chaos is opposed to order, it may be related to nonexistence (state of the universe before order or creation), but represents a pure destructive, chaotic, primordial form of everything or it can also be a hodgepodge of everything.



Chaos Manipulation is primarily used in the form of destruction, such as the destruction of space, time, or even reality itself. Such a being can be the embodiment of chaos, whereas their simple appearance causes everything to become chaotic, such as automatically triggering natural disasters, destruction, or disharmony, confusion, and strife among people. Therefore users can create several external factors that may impede an opponent's chance of victory.

Animal manipulation via kumara ability
Passive Death manipulation via ultima skill world of destruction which is like merciless which unconditonally kills whoever isn't a spiritual life-form and also prolly ultimate skill users as well
Like diablo who Rimuru is far superior to he should also get resistance to Void manipulation
minor upgrade
Title addition- Chaos Creator

super genius and higher degree law manipulation upgrade, higher degree acca4 -​

yes i have returned, now Rimuru freely altered a law that bound even Ultimate skill users disregarding the very providence of the World- Ultimate skill users who are already acausality type 4, Velgrynd said its only Possible for Veldanava to do the very creator of the system which leave me to compare his Law domination to his knowledge king Raphael which actually modify/create/destroy laws of the world and so.
In other words rimuru is comparable to Veldanava who actually created the damn system which bounded even ultimate skill users and true dragons

 

[Tempestdragon6]

Agree

 

[Phoenks]

Void manipulation with Turn null aka Nihility Collapse

Gonna need more context. Don't see how this is void manip.

Summoning with true dragon summoning

Simple, agree.

Greatly enhanced space time manipulation via Space time Domination

More context needed as well. This just sounds like the ability to move fast.

Animal manipulation via kumara ability

Sure.

Passive Death manipulation via ultima skill world of destruction which is like merciless which unconditonally kills whoever isn't a spiritual life-form and also prolly ultimate skill users as well

Uh okay, but give an example of it being passive.

 

[Georredannea15]

So, what we call higher degree of law manipulation here is actually layered law manipulation?

 

[Jozaysmith?]

Merciless when activated it needs the target to be afraid but this one does it unconditionally outright killing them and ripping their souls so long they don't have ultimate skill and isnt a spiritual lifeform

Uh okay, but give an example of it being passive

More context needed as well. This just sounds like the ability to move fast.

Should i change it to immeasurable speed its the upgraded version of space time manipulation

Gonna need more context. Don't see how this is void manip.

Nihility collapse is a void energy that devours anything it touches

So I asked Ciel-san to come up with a useful sure-kill technique. Of course, I also gave my own opinion. I asked it to use ‘Nihility Collapse,’ which I still had a difficult time understanding even after it was explained to me, and to make it more powerful. That is how the ‘Imaginary Blade’ was born. Rather than slashing through the spirit, this technique eats it. It’s the main characteristic of this technique. Because it eats the target and throws it into ‘Imaginary Space,

Well either ways it doesnt look like Void.... Then I'll change it to being able to use nihilistic banish from subordinates which invoke the emptiness from hell and all

 

[Jozaysmith?]

same thing
A law that acca4 beings cant resist isn't an addition but multiplication

So, what we call higher degree of law manipulation here is actually layered law manipulation?

 

[Jozaysmith?]

bump

 

[Phoenks]

Merciless when activated it needs the target to be afraid but this one does it unconditionally outright killing them and ripping their souls so long they don't have ultimate skill and isnt a spiritual lifeform

I mean if I can get a scan.

I am not a fan of when people just apply passive abilities without scans of them explicitly being passive.

Should i change it to immeasurable speed its the upgraded version of space time manipulation

Not immeasurable speed since it's explicitly through an ability that manipulated space and time, and "instantaneous" is infinite if anything.

This doesn't even really seem like better control of space and time. Just seems like you can use it to go fast.

Well either ways it doesnt look like Void.... Then I'll change it to being able to use nihilistic banish from subordinates which invoke the emptiness from hell and all

Sounds like absorption and BFR. Not Void.

 

[Jozaysmith?]

Sounds like absorption and BFR. Not Void.

Its void manipulation through this

I mean if I can get a scan.

I am not a fan of when people just apply passive abilities without scans of them explicitly being passive.

That will be difficult since this was shown in the anime but i will produce anyways dont worry

 

[Jozaysmith?]

Not immeasurable speed since it's explicitly through an ability that manipulated space and time, and "instantaneous" is infinite if anything.

This doesn't even really seem like better control of space and time. Just seems like you can use it to go fast.

Then infinite it is

 

[Phoenks]

Its void manipulation through this

With the context you already provided it appears that it's just an ability that absorbs and banishes matter to an imaginary space.

The term "void" is just a description of how it looks from the outside.

 

[Phoenks]

Then infinite it is

It's not speed since it's explicitly an ability.

 

[Robo432343]

It's not speed since it's explicitly an ability.

cant it be infinite speed via insert ability

 

[Jozaysmith?]

With the context you already provided it appears that it's just an ability that absorbs and banishes matter to an imaginary space.

The term "void" is just a description of how it looks from the outside.

No hold on that was before am talking of the other one i provided

 

[Jozaysmith?]

It's not speed since it's explicitly an ability.

Attack speed exists right?
Well thanks for input

 

[Wikisource]

Void manipulation with Turn null aka Nihility Collapse

Fisrt of all, "Nihility Collapse" is just a name, its essence is chaotic energy. It would be better to say it is energy manipulation, chaos manipulation.

Greatly enhanced space time manipulation or infinte speed via Space time Domination

This is simply hax so there won't be infinite speed.

Agree with the rest.

 

[Jozaysmith?]

Fisrt of all, "Nihility Collapse" is just a name, its essence is chaotic energy. It would be better to say it is energy manipulation, chaos manipulation.

This is simply hax so there won't be infinite speed.

Agree with the rest.

I did not claim infinte speed in this thread

 

[Jozaysmith?]

i wanted to wait for elizhaa but he or she isnt coming

 

[Neoxxi16]

I think the difference between Space-Time Manipulationand Space-Time Domination was never explained, or did I miss something?

 

[Jozaysmith?]

It looks confusing and i will change it to teleportation
However it teleportation due to space time manip

 

[Shiraito983]

With the context you already provided it appears that it's just an ability that absorbs and banishes matter to an imaginary space.

The term "void" is just a description of how it looks from the outside.

Nihilistic banished Was already accepted as Void manipulation in other crt.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Nihilistic banished Was already accepted as Void manipulation in other crt.

Then why op added it again in this one?

 

[Wikisource]

I did not claim infinte speed in this thread

Alright

 

[Shiraito983]

Then why op added it again in this one?

Read the Op.
Only Diablo and Ultima has it. Rimuru get its due to food chain

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Read the Op.
Only Diablo and Ultima has it. Rimuru get its due to food chain

My bad

 

[Shiraito983]

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I think the difference between Space-Time Manipulationand Space-Time Domination was never explained, or did I miss something?

Space domination was the previous evolution.

Space-Time manipulation/ control dimension was the current one

 

[Jozaysmith?]

bump

 

[Dereck03]

Fisrt of all, "Nihility Collapse" is just a name, its essence is chaotic energy. It would be better to say it is energy manipulation, chaos manipulation.

This is simply hax so there won't be infinite speed.

Agree with the rest.

Agree with this conclusion.

@Elizhaa what do you think about this?

 

[Shiraito983]

57

 

[CodeCCLL]

Should be simple enough
Void manipulation with Nihility banish

This should be added to Rimuru's list of abilities that can potentially be gained through the food chain.

Spoiler

Hundreds of other abilities, plus with Food Chain he can potentially gain other abilities such as:

Void Manipulation (With Nihility banish) or Void Manipulation (...)

Also in the "Abilities He Gained From His Subordinates" section in Rimuru's N/A an addition explaining Nihility Banish would be nice.

Summoning with true dragon summoning

Simple but we still need a "Scorch King Velgrynd" section like "Storm Lord Veldora" in the N/A Ultimate Skill section.

Greatly enhanced space time manipulation or infinte speed via Space time Domination

Greatly Enhanced Space Time Manipulation and Teleportation is good.

Animal manipulation via kumara ability

Type: "Manipulation of Mythical Creatures." This is good.

Passive Death manipulation via ultima skill world of destruction which is like merciless which unconditonally kills whoever isn't a spiritual life-form and also prolly ultimate skill users as well

Merciless isn't death manipulation. Apparently World of Destruction isn't a death manipulation either.

Spoiler

Merciless: The ability to seize the souls of anyone begging for their lives, seeking help from the user, retreating, or running away. Once the condition is met, the soul can be seized at any time afterward across even very long distances instantly and the user gets informed about any malicious thoughts by the target immediately. The souls of the recently killed can also be seized.

Death Manipulation page states that such feats aren't Death Manipulation.

Spoiler

It is important to note that just causing death via other abilities or indirect means (such as soul destruction, physical damage, deconstruction etc.) in itself does not qualify for Death Manipulation unless it is specified or portrayed to be a direct inducement of death in its targets with these being aftereffects of that.

This is soul manipulation that can only be called semi-passive due to its logic.

Like diablo who Rimuru is far superior to he should also get resistance to Void manipulation

I disagree with this.
Even if Rimuru is superior to Diablo in every way, that doesn't make him resistant to void manipulation. If it had stated that Diablo gained the ability to resist void manipulation with his Daemon Lord evolution, I would have agreed with it due to his evolutionary state, but since this isn't stated we must treat this as a character-specific resistance, as is the case throughout the wiki.

super genius and higher degree law manipulation upgrade, higher degree acca4-again​

yes i have returned, now Rimuru freely altered a law that bound even Ultimate skill users disregarding the very providence of the World- Ultimate skill users who are already acausality type 4, Velgrynd said its only Possible for Veldanava to do the very creator of the system which leave me to compare his Law domination to his knowledge king Raphael which actually modify/create/destroy laws of the world and so.
In other words rimuru is comparable to Veldanava who actually created the damn system which bounded even ultimate skill users and true dragons

Super Genius is probably good.
After all, Ciel can be compared to Veldanava, who created the World System/Laws.

I disagree with High Degree of Acausality Type 4 and High Degree of Law Manipulation.
The only thing that separates Veldanava and Rimuru from other Ultimate Skill Users seems to be their dominance over the World System/Laws. Rimuru and Veldanava are not working on or manipulating a Higher Degree System, they just have complete control over the World System/Laws and are superior to Ultimate Skill Users who do so on a lower scale. So I think "Greatly Enhanced Law Manipulation" should be better.

 

[Jozaysmith?]

This should be added to Rimuru's list of abilities that can potentially be gained through the food chain.

Spoiler

Hundreds of other abilities, plus with Food Chain he can potentially gain other abilities such as:

Void Manipulation (With Nihility banish) or Void Manipulation (...)

Also in the "Abilities He Gained From His Subordinates" section in Rimuru's N/A an addition explaining Nihility Banish would be nice.

Simple but we still need a "Scorch King Velgrynd" section like "Storm Lord Veldora" in the N/A Ultimate Skill section.

Greatly Enhanced Space Time Manipulation and Teleportation is good.

Type: "Manipulation of Mythical Creatures." This is good.

Merciless isn't death manipulation. Apparently World of Destruction isn't a death manipulation either.

Spoiler

Merciless: The ability to seize the souls of anyone begging for their lives, seeking help from the user, retreating, or running away. Once the condition is met, the soul can be seized at any time afterward across even very long distances instantly and the user gets informed about any malicious thoughts by the target immediately. The souls of the recently killed can also be seized.

Death Manipulation page states that such feats aren't Death Manipulation.

Spoiler

It is important to note that just causing death via other abilities or indirect means (such as soul destruction, physical damage, deconstruction etc.) in itself does not qualify for Death Manipulation unless it is specified or portrayed to be a direct inducement of death in its targets with these being aftereffects of that.

This is soul manipulation that can only be called semi-passive due to its logic.

I disagree with this.
Even if Rimuru is superior to Diablo in every way, that doesn't make him resistant to void manipulation. If it had stated that Diablo gained the ability to resist void manipulation with his Daemon Lord evolution, I would have agreed with it due to his evolutionary state, but since this isn't stated we must treat this as a character-specific resistance, as is the case throughout the wiki.

Super Genius is probably good.
After all, Ciel can be compared to Veldanava, who created the World System/Laws.

I disagree with High Degree of Acausality Type 4 and High Degree of Law Manipulation.
The only thing that separates Veldanava and Rimuru from other Ultimate Skill Users seems to be their dominance over the World System/Laws. Rimuru and Veldanava are not working on or manipulating a Higher Degree System, they just have complete control over the World System/Laws and are superior to Ultimate Skill Users who do so on a lower scale. So I think "Greatly Enhanced Law Manipulation" should be better.

Ultimate skill users already have that,greatly enhanced type ability.

Thanks for input of the rest except the fact nihilistic banish did nothing to dagruel and fenn because of their haki which is only comparable to true dragons
Someone proposed chaos manip and energy manipulation which dereck seems fine with

Agree with this conclusion.

@Elizhaa what do you think about this?

 

[CodeCCLL]

Ultimate skill users already have that,greatly enhanced type ability.

Ultimate Skill users only have "Enhanced Law Manipulation" .
Veldanava and Rimuru will have "Greatly Enhanced Law Manipulation".

Thanks for input of the rest except the fact nihilistic banish did nothing to dagruel and fenn because of their haki which is only comparable to true dragons

Scan/Reference?

Someone proposed chaos manip and energy manipulation

For which abilitie?

 

[Jozaysmith?]

Scan/Reference?

That’s what Gadra thought, but he was not stupid enough to say that, so he pointed out something different here:

“More than that, I’m curious. It can’t be helped that Demon LordDagruel erased the void, but how did he endure the ‘Tempest Meteor’? It seemed to me that the meteorite disappeared unnaturally, but…”

For which abilitie?

Turn null

Nihility Collapse
The ultimate destructive energy that fills the chaotic world. Full control over it was possible for the first time thanks to the Manas.

Later volumes mentioned it was hella risky to use if there's no manas to maintain and control its output

My Ultimate Skill ‘Void God Azathoth’ has an inexhaustible source of energy known as ‘Nihility Collapse’ that is difficult to handle. Ciel-san had been considering how to make the best use of it to our advantage. As a part of such experiments, it approached some of the executives to negotiate with them. If that’s the case, why don’t I just do the experiment myself—

«Putting Master at risk is not possible.»

 

[CodeCCLL]

That’s what Gadra thought, but he was not stupid enough to say that, so he pointed out something different here:

“More than that, I’m curious. It can’t be helped that Demon Lord Dagruel erased the void, but how did he endure the ‘Tempest Meteor’? It seemed to me that the meteorite disappeared unnaturally, but…”

I didn't remember this, then void manipulation resistance might also be good for Rimuru. But which key will it be applied to?

Turn null

Chaos Manipulation and Energy Manipulation seem to be good for Turn Null.

Spoiler

Nihility Collapse:
The ultimate destructive energy that fills the chaotic world. Full control over it was possible for the first time thanks to the Manas.

My Ultimate Skill ‘Void God Azathoth’ has an inexhaustible source of energy known as ‘Nihility Collapse’ that is difficult to handle.

Putting Master at risk is not possible.

Spoiler

Chaos Manipulation is the ability to manipulate chaos, fundamentally different than darkness or nothingness. That is, power over disharmony, confusion, disorder, and destructiveness in their most pure and vivid forms. Chaos is opposed to order, it may be related to nonexistence (state of the universe before order or creation), but represents a pure destructive, chaotic, primordial form of everything or it can also be a hodgepodge of everything.

Chaos Manipulation is primarily used in the form of destruction, such as the destruction of space, time, or even reality itself. Such a being can be the embodiment of chaos, whereas their simple appearance causes everything to become chaotic, such as automatically triggering natural disasters, destruction, or disharmony, confusion, and strife among people. Therefore users can create several external factors that may impede an opponent's chance of victory.

 

[Jozaysmith?]

I didn't remember this, then void manipulation resistance might also be good for Rimuru. But which key will it be applied to?

True dragon key since that's when he got true dragon haki

Chaos Manipulation and Energy Manipulation seem to be good for Turn Null.

Spoiler

Nihility Collapse:
The ultimate destructive energy that fills the chaotic world. Full control over it was possible for the first time thanks to the Manas.

.

Putting Master at risk is not possible.

Spoiler

Chaos Manipulation is the ability to manipulate chaos, fundamentally different than darkness or nothingness. That is, power over disharmony, confusion, disorder, and destructiveness in their most pure and vivid forms. Chaos is opposed to order, it may be related to nonexistence (state of the universe before order or creation), but represents a pure destructive, chaotic, primordial form of everything or it can also be a hodgepodge of everything.

Chaos Manipulation is primarily used in the form of destruction, such as the destruction of space, time, or even reality itself. Such a being can be the embodiment of chaos, whereas their simple appearance causes everything to become chaotic, such as automatically triggering natural disasters, destruction, or disharmony, confusion, and strife among people. Therefore users can create several external factors that may impede an opponent's chance of victory.

Alright thanks for input

 

[Elizhaa]

Agree with this conclusion.

@Elizhaa what do you think about this?

I am also fine with Wikisource's takes.

 

[Jozaysmith?]

I am also fine with Wikisource's takes.

Then infinite stamina for all Rimuru subordinates should be fine then?

I didn't remember this, then void manipulation resistance might also be good for Rimuru. But which key will it be applied to?

Chaos Manipulation and Energy Manipulation seem to be good for Turn Null.

Spoiler

Nihility Collapse:
The ultimate destructive energy that fills the chaotic world. Full control over it was possible for the first time thanks to the Manas.

My Ultimate Skill ‘Void God Azathoth’ has an inexhaustible source of energy known as ‘Nihility Collapse’ that is difficult to handle.

Putting Master at risk is not possible.

Spoiler

Chaos Manipulation is the ability to manipulate chaos, fundamentally different than darkness or nothingness. That is, power over disharmony, confusion, disorder, and destructiveness in their most pure and vivid forms. Chaos is opposed to order, it may be related to nonexistence (state of the universe before order or creation), but represents a pure destructive, chaotic, primordial form of everything or it can also be a hodgepodge of everything.

Chaos Manipulation is primarily used in the form of destruction, such as the destruction of space, time, or even reality itself. Such a being can be the embodiment of chaos, whereas their simple appearance causes everything to become chaotic, such as automatically triggering natural disasters, destruction, or disharmony, confusion, and strife among people. Therefore users can create several external factors that may impede an opponent's chance of victory.

 

[Elizhaa]

Why infinite?

 

[Jozaysmith?]

Why infinite?

Inexhaustible supply of energy via turn null

 

[Elizhaa]

Inexhaustible supply of energy via turn null

Do you have the scan?