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The person I'm quoting said that they were granted the capability of interaction by a more-real being.
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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"
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Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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So if there exists a mechanism for a less real character to enter the "real world", but this mechanism was created by someone (formerly) inhabiting the real world, that would be allowed?
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The "formerly" there is really throwing me off.
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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The character in question once belonged to the real world, but made themselves less real via the mechanism that they created, which divides reality (the real world) and fantasy (the new world which the character created), with anything deemed unreal or illusory being forced into the new world and treated as an infinitely small nonexistent being from the perspective of the real world.
So they used to be real, but then they crossed the threshold separating the real from unreal (that they created) and are now unreal.
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Not from how I read it.
My understanding was that Real Person A gave Real energy to Fictional Person B, which allowed them to interact with a more real world. Then Fictional Person C stole that energy.
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Just in case I need to clarify a bit more, the Real Being (A) is made out of that same Real Energy and they give it to the Fictional Being (B), allowing for interaction with other Real Beings. Then that energy gets absorbed by another Fictional Being (C) from Character B, allowing for the same interaction capabilities.
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It would be an anti-feat, still Real Energy, no one other than the Real Being or others like them should be able to transfer that energy around. Unless the Real Being gave the Fictional Being the ability to transfer Real Energy.
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They weren't asking you.
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Damn, didn't know I couldn't chime in, MB.
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Not what I meant.
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Honestly, I am just waiting for this thing to get done so we can actually see real examples of works being upgraded and downgraded and then get a picture of what it actually looks like from there.
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Same tbh
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Goku get slammed by the OG Goku.
Sun Wukong (Journey to the West)
Sun Wukong was born from a magical stone formed from chaos. Upon hatching into the world he lived most of his life on The Mountain of Flowers and Fruit. There he joined and lived with a large group of monkeys eventually discovering a secret cave that the monkeys could use as their new home. The...
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And with Ultima revision, his last key is tier 0.
Cry with it.
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goku gokuverse lvl >>>> boundless fodderGoku get slammed by the OG Goku.
Sun Wukong (Journey to the West)
Sun Wukong was born from a magical stone formed from chaos. Upon hatching into the world he lived most of his life on The Mountain of Flowers and Fruit. There he joined and lived with a large group of monkeys eventually discovering a secret cave that the monkeys could use as their new home. The...
And with Ultima revision, his last key is tier 0.
Cry with it.
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Shouldn't Buddha be 0 under Ultima proposal.
Rakih_Elyan
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Which Buddha?
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Buddha across fiction can vary. I'm referring to how we're using things like Monad and Buddha in views from a section of Buddhism such as Mahāsāṃghika or Theravada vision of the Buddha as a Supreme entity that was human to gain the ultimate reality or Nirvana which in his “Perfect Enlightenment” became all that is by transcending desire by becoming non non-existence.
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On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System
I wouldn't really characterize that as a semantics issue. There is a big difference between "We are making our standards more strict" and "Our standards are remaining the same, but will finally be enforced with the appropriate level of scrutiny." If it is the former, then we need to clarify...
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Damn, my sleepy brain commented on the staff thread without knowing 
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Don't feel bad I almost did the same lmaoDamn, my sleepy brain commented on the staff thread without knowing
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
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Vote is now 7-4. Ultima-sama, I kneel.
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But that reminds me: What margin of votes from the admins/bureaucrats (aka the only legit votes) would be enough to conclude the thread?
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There's no official policy. In theory any majority could pass a revision. In practice it will likely require something more convincing.
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Don't you mean 4-3? Only Admin and up counts for these sorts of threads.
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It is a good question though. For CRTs do simple majoritys pass? i.e. 4-3 or 5-4.
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Please be careful with these sorts of answers. It is a vibe-based thing, but when things are only a few votes off, that usually forces both to come to a compromise.
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Can you expand on what you mean about being careful? I don't understand my mistake.
This is true, but it's very situation dependent. In many cases there's no possible compromise.
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I just don't want you to give off the impression that when there's a 6-5 staff split over whether to give an ability, or nothing at all, that the 6 can just go "Yep, we have the majority, add it."
They'd have to knock it down to a likely/possibly.
When there is no possible compromise, and it's fairly close, we generally try to get more staff members to evaluate it.
They'd have to knock it down to a likely/possibly.
When there is no possible compromise, and it's fairly close, we generally try to get more staff members to evaluate it.
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IMO I just see a 3 vote difference as the decider but I'm no staff so I have no say in this.
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I agree, I'm not saying that one could/should do that, I am just saying it's sort of ad-hoc. We don't actually have a written policy about it. There's nothing in our rules as written that would prevent a 6-5 thread from passing, per se.
At some point though we should likely make an attempt to clarify that.
At some point though we should likely make an attempt to clarify that.
For me it depends on the amount of total votes. For instance, I would consider a 3-1 thread successful, but maybe not 8-6.
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I think you're confusing too many things here.
Nirvana isn't Brahman (Ultimate Reality).
Likewise, Buddha isn't a Supreme being, mostly because that title has too much baggage and misapprehends what the Buddha is.
Also there is no being, Buddha had surpassed the idea of a self to cling to when he attained Enlightenment.
Likewise, Buddha doesn't exist or not exist or non-exist. Buddha's existence cannot be labelled so. When the sutras say "There is no self" they don't mean "The Self is non-existent" because that isn't true. They say there is no view to be held about the self, likewise, there is no view to be held about Buddha's state of existence.
Specifically, this is one of the Unanswered questions within Buddhism;
Ultimately, yes, Buddha would be 0, but because you cannot hold a view about what he is.
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It really just depends on what school of Buddhism the fiction is being used and if its being used accurately enough to warrant a proper tier.
For example, not every school if Buddhism teaches the idea of an 8th or even a of 9th stage of consciousness.
For example, not every school if Buddhism teaches the idea of an 8th or even a of 9th stage of consciousness.
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I smelt the black lines of thy Udl the second I read that message.
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Nirvana and Buddhahood in some takes is the Ultimate Reality not to be confused with Brahman because Buddhism takes inspiration from Hinduism as well. I was not at all eluding to Ultimate Reality as Brahman just because the idea originates from Hinduism.
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As I said, in some views although not too many. Some do view him as supreme whether as a person or a transcendent being. Sources vary and there are no absolutes though in most cases he is just a human.
This is Universal across different interpretations of Buddhism? I know what Enlightenment is and the notion of Self is not exactly the same across multiple takes on Buddhism.
That's is the jist that I was getting.
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Exactly. Religion shouldn't be considered absolute by views because different moral ethics change and bend certain things.
It always depends. It never truly is and Buddhism is no exception. Which honestly should be common sense.
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Shouldn't Ant's vote be included?
He made it clear at different points during the thread that he was in favor of whatever Ultima was proposing
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He'll need to explicitly say so for us to count it.
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