STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

[Qawsedf234]

Not fully true. Spring Mustachio's Tomboy was able to pierce and would have killed Kombu infinity (a pretty powerful Tiger level) had he not dodged. He was also capable of injuring BS and blocking attacks from HE.

Spring Mustachio was stomped by Kombu infinity, only fought low-level Sperm Clones and the orbs would have killed him if they directly impacted his body.

Stinger was injured by tigers, but he was more than capable of 1 shotting them when he got serious. The simple explanation is his AP is higher than his dura. While he was 1 shot by DSK, that was after his injuries, and he still survived. In fact, even the lowest rated A class was able to take a hit from the empowered DSK without dying.

But they were all one shot. Heroes don't die in OPM, but they are regularly defeated without difficulty if they fight a stronger monster.

Lightning Max was able to 1 shot a demon level threat.

Lightning Max defeated one Crow who as a group collectively were Demon level. He got one tapped by an actual an actual Demon level and was one shot by Gokuetsu.

In fact, all A class, while really hurt, could survive DSK's punches

They were all defeated in one hit. Not dying to someone isn't a scaling feat.

 

[Cryo123]

This isn't an average person vs a MMA fighter. This is an average person trying to damage an Abrams tank with a sword but when they land a hit it somehow cuts the tank.

Which is more cohesive:

1. The M1 Abrams is so weak to piercing damage that an average dude can cut through is like paper.

or

2. The dude swinging the sword is not an "average" dude.

 

[Qawsedf234]

1. The M1 Abrams is so weak to piercing damage that an average dude can cut through is like paper.

or

2. The dude swinging the sword is not an "average" dude.

If the average dude will be killed by the M1Abrams running him over or just moving the turret fast enough to hit him, it's the Abrams being weak not the person being strong.

As I told Ziller, not everything is an upgrade, and not every possible scaling chain is valid. Garou is accepted as being weak to piercing attacks. It's why cutting him isn't evidence for scaling, because everyone cuts him.

 

[Cryo123]

Spring Mustachio was stomped by Kombu infinity, only fought low-level Sperm Clones and the orbs would have killed him if they directly impacted his body.

But his body was still able to exert enough energy to redirect them. It's also noted that he usually has to hold back because of civilians, and the MA raid allows him to let loose. More proof his AP is higher than his dura.

But they were all one shot. Heroes don't die in OPM, but they are regularly defeated without difficulty if they fight a stronger monster.

Lightning Max survived two hits, didn't he? And Stinger was injured.

Lightning Max defeated one Crow who as a group collectively were Demon level. He got one tapped by an actual an actual Demon level and was one shot by Gokuetsu.

DSK is a high demon, and the crows still have to be close to demon in order for three of them to = a demon level threat, and they got 1 shot.

 

[Maitreya12]

Ok…let’s put it like this:

Garou deflecting amped up metal’s bat’s attacks just rattled his bones a little.

Garou’s hand got pierced straight through by Tomboy.

Now which is more reasonable:

The AP of spring mustachio is higher than the AP of an amped up Metal Bat.

Or

Garou, might just be weak to piercing damage.

 

[Cryo123]

If the average dude will be killed by the M1Abrams running him over or just moving the turret fast enough to hit him, it's the Abrams being weak not the person being strong.

Idk, it feels like grasping at straws. Why does Garou have this weakness? Nobody else does, and it's never brought up. All the characters able to pierce him have evidence of their AP being >> than their dura, and survive strikes from high demons (albeit injured).

Also, while they might not die, One is more than comfortable showing a hero's body get mutilated if they're too weak. Just look at TTM vs. Fuher Ugly. The fact that DSK didn't instantly mutilate Lightning Max is evidence enough that he's not 9 billion times weaker.

 

[ByAsura]

Don't care about everything else, but by this logic Mumen Rider isn't 9 billion times weaker either.

 

[Maitreya12]

Idk, it feels like grasping at straws. Why does Garou have this weakness? Nobody else does, and it's never brought up. All the characters able to pierce him have evidence of their AP being >> than their dura, and survive strikes from high demons (albeit injured).

Also, while they might not die, One is more than comfortable showing a hero's body get mutilated if they're too weak. Just look at TTM vs. Fuher Ugly. The fact that DSK didn't instantly mutilate Lightning Max is evidence enough that he's not 9 billion times weaker.

….I think if DSK kept punching Lightning Max like Fuher ugly did to TTM they’d look quite similar in disfiguration

 

[Cryo123]

Ok…let’s put it like this:

Garou deflecting amped up metal’s bat’s attacks just rattled his bones a little.

Garou’s hand got pierced straight through by Tomboy.

This is a very misleading comparison. When fighting Metal Bat, he was using techniques specifically designed to redirect attacks much stronger than the defender.

Metal Bat was literally going to 1 shot kill Garou at the end of the fight, and Garou acknowledges as much. Meanwhile, Spring Mustachio just stabbed him in the hand.

 

[Qawsedf234]

But his body was still able to exert enough energy to redirect them.

They're energy attacks, not things with mass. Deflecting them has nothing to do with muscles but with how you interact with energy.

Lightning Max survived two hits, didn't he? And Stinger was injured.

Yeah, you're right. It was two. But Max also survived attacks from Vaccine Man and we don't scale him to what VM can output. Because being stomped isn't a feat.

Idk, it feels like grasping at straws. Why does Garou have this weakness?

I explained why. Everything that's sharp harms him and that isn't consistent with other characters like Darkshine or Golden Sperm.

This is a general thread. If you all really feel like changing the rules make a CRT I guess. Lets get back to the usual Alexander posting and ranting that Boros should in fact scale to Saitama's full power.

 

[Cryo123]

Don't care about everything else, but by this logic Mumen Rider isn't 9 billion times weaker either.

The difference is that scene is specifically framed as him taunting Mumen Rider, while the others are him actually trying to kill people.

 

[ByAsura]

Literally all he did was punch Max a couple times while severely taunting and trolling him the whole time.

 

[Maitreya12]

This is a very misleading comparison. When fighting Metal Bat, he was using techniques specifically designed to redirect attacks much stronger than the defender.

Metal Bat was literally going to 1 shot kill Garou at the end of the fight, and Garou acknowledges as much. Meanwhile, Spring Mustachio just stabbed him in the hand.

…..why didn’t Garou deflect all of SM’s attacks like he did against Metal Bat when he was doing literally the exact same thing Metal Bat was….

…Or when he was in the air….

 

[Cryo123]

Yeah, you're right. It was two. But Max also survived attacks from Vaccine Man and we don't scale him to what VM can output. Because being stomped isn't a feat.

Yeah, he doesn't scale to explosions he was hundreds of meters away from.

I explained why. Everything that's sharp harms him and that isn't consistent with other characters like Darkshine or Golden Sperm.

I mean in the story being told, but regardless, those two characters never encountered piercing damage, and also are at vastly different levels than Garou.

 

[Cryo123]

…..why didn’t Garou deflect all of SM’s attacks like he did against Metal Bat when he was doing literally the exact same thing Metal Bat was….

Because he was baiting it out. He wanted to disarm him, not redirect the attack.

Anyways, the side of Spring Mustachio's sword is dull and round so it wouldn't be any different than deflecting MB's attacks.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Yeah, he doesn't scale to explosions he was hundreds of meters away from.

It was stated that Vaccine Man just walked passed them. They weren't hundreds of meters away. One of the heroes was also Rider, so even the hundreds of meters away thing wouldn't work.

 

[ByAsura]

Couldn't just passed also refer to the fact that he's flying over them?

 

[Qawsedf234]

ouldn't just passed also refer to the fact that he's flying over them?

I would think so but a page later it just shows him strolling on the ground

 

[Maitreya12]

Because he was baiting it out. He wanted to disarm him, not redirect the attack.

Anyways, the side of Spring Mustachio's sword is dull and round so it wouldn't be any different than deflecting MB's attacks.

He wanted to disarm him by….letting his hand get run through so he could counter? Instead of just….using his hands to redirect the attack and then counter?

He was literally redirecting all of golden ball’s attacks?

Also SM was actually slashing everything across from him.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

This is silly, since spring mustachio is low 7-B already anyways

 

[Recon1511]

Spring Mustachio actually scales because he has statements from Garou and his own master (who is arguably S Class level) to back up his feats, I explained this a million times already.

Trying to scale random A and B Class nobodies to Garou means that they would oneshot BoS Genos, DSK and a ton of Demon level monsters use your ******* brain ffs

 

[TimmyTurnero]

This is silly, since spring mustachio is low 7-B already anyways

I agree with Ziller. Piercing damage piercing low 7-B should be low 7-B. Anyone scaling to him should scale.

 

[Recon1511]

Don't care about everything else, but by this logic Mumen Rider isn't 9 billion times weaker either.

Inb4 people start advocating for High 7-C dura for Mumen, Snek and Max since they didn't blow up after being punched by DSK

 

[TimmyTurnero]

Trying to scale random A and B Class nobodies to Garou means that they would oneshot BoS Genos, DSK and a ton of Demon level monsters use your ******* brain ffs

No, it would only mean they’re piercing attacks can cut or stab people on a low 7-B level. Its not like he’s saying they can produce low 7-B energy, he’s saying their attacks are sharp enough to harm people on that level.

 

[Recon1511]

No, it would only mean they’re piercing attacks can cut or stab people on a low 7-B level. Its not like he’s saying they can produce low 7-B energy, he’s saying their attacks are sharp enough to harm people on that level.

So you are saying that Gun Gun could kill DSK with a shot to the head with his shitty revolver

Cool

 

[Recon1511]

Hell, the HA must be really stupid to have created the S Class since any random fodder hero can one shot 90% of Demon level threats because their weapon pierced Human Garou one time

 

[LordTracer]

Not dying to someone isn't a scaling feat.

It’s almost like we have a section on the durability page that people should read or something…

 

[TimmyTurnero]

So you are saying that Gun Gun could kill DSK with a shot to the head with his shitty revolver

Cool

I’m saying they have feats showcasing the ability to do X thing. If it messes with your ideal scaling oh well, I promise you 90% of the fandom disagrees with the wiki anyways.
They can pierce Garou and that’s that. Nothing much to it.

 

[TimmyTurnero]

Hell, the HA must be really stupid to have created the S Class since any random fodder hero can one shot 90% of Demon level threats because their weapon pierced Human Garou one time

That’s the equivalent of saying a normal human cutting a professional boxer with a knife ***** with some hierarchy or something.
The ratings are much more complex than someone being capable of piercing something else. Piercing damage/cutting damage is what it is for a reason.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Hell, the HA must be really stupid to have created the S Class since any random fodder hero can one shot 90% of Demon level threats because their weapon pierced Human Garou one time

recon when he finds out most non S class characters get speed blitzed by and can't take hits from deep sea king.

 

[ByAsura]

Ziller when he finds out that pretty much every non S-Class in the series got stomped by a monster that base Metal Bat obliterated with one hit.

 

[ByAsura]

On another note, Coomandar is getting unbanned in less than 7 hours.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

On another note, Coomandar is getting unbanned in less than 7 hours.

 

[ByAsura]

bruh, you'll give him your best or i'll ban you for 2 weeks

 

[Recon1511]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/one-punch-man-ability-additions-and-other-stuff.148391/

Bumping this again so staff evaluates it

 

[Epiccheev]

On another note, Coomandar is getting unbanned in less than 7 hours.

Raid boss about to spawn

 

[Recon1511]

I wonder if Phoenix Man could convince characters from Evangelion to monsterize when he transports them to his dimension like he tried to do with Child Emperor

 

[Quangotjokes]

I wonder if Phoenix Man could convince characters from Evangelion to monsterize when he transports them to his dimension like he tried to do with Child Emperor

I mean not like they can resist lol

 

[Damage3245]

I think that kind of sarcastic response is a bit unnecessary, even if you believe someone's arguments/reasonings to be wrong. That's just mocking them.

I don't agree with them either. As the reasoning being used is rather weak in my opinion. But that kind of response is a little on the harsh side.

I feel bad saying this, because any attempt I make at peace when I see possible harsh words usually gets me mocked afterward. But I think that way of speaking to someone just makes them less likely to listen. I don't think I'm being a whiny baby or whatever, I just want to help out and keep things civil.

Call me a hypocrite or whatever, I know I don't always keep my cool. But I do seriously want to be better.

Apologies if this came off weird, I just don't understand this stuff. I hope I wasn't being disrespectful.

Nah, you're not being whiny. I'll refrain from such comments in general; it was just a bit of lighthearted mockery to emphasize how funny I'm find the current conversation.

 

[BlackeJan]

Genuine question, did you actually read the chapter? Because literally nothing there implied that there was a romance between Saitama and Tatsumaki.

Oh I know nothing happened yet….but it will….soon….hehehehe