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I know. It's a bit circular when you dig into it, but Do-S gets her scaling from Amai Mask as well.
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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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Also he’s only on the same level of AP with piercing damage, meanwhile his durability, speed, and striking strength are all vastly inferior to the point where tanktop master is still dimensions better as a fighter than golden ball.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with low 7-B golden ball
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Iirc she gets it from damaging the Narinki Mercs to mind control them and Amai Mask believing she could have mind controlled the disciples
Though considering Amai Mask also believes himself to be stronger than Atomic and hates the disciples to the point of telling them to kill themselves I think he might be a bit biased
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That is also a part of it, yes.
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Then the issue is?
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What issue?
I just said that the scaling chain looks bad, not that there is a singular massive flaw with it.
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But why does it look bad?
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The longer a scaling chain becomes, the less reliable it is. Especially when upscaling and downscaling is involved, but isn't specifically noted on the profiles.
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Not in the slightest?
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You wouldn't make a single change to any of the characters there? Fair enough.
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To be frank some class A heroes have skill feats more impressive than most of S-class.
One-shotter noticing a sniper hundreds of yards away while a huge fight was happening in front of him, then not only snipping his bullet head on outta the air after it's already fired but then it also goes through his scope and hits him in the head. (not sure if i remember right, but Tatsumaki was also creating a huge windstorm while "fighting" against Evil eye, wich would make aiming even harder)
Iaian and the disciples cutting a 100.000 hair strands from a demon level with eyes clpsed by sensing intent all while in an enclosed space with it also coming from the ground.
Golden Ball doing what he did vs Garou while drunk.
One-shotter noticing a sniper hundreds of yards away while a huge fight was happening in front of him, then not only snipping his bullet head on outta the air after it's already fired but then it also goes through his scope and hits him in the head. (not sure if i remember right, but Tatsumaki was also creating a huge windstorm while "fighting" against Evil eye, wich would make aiming even harder)
Iaian and the disciples cutting a 100.000 hair strands from a demon level with eyes clpsed by sensing intent all while in an enclosed space with it also coming from the ground.
Golden Ball doing what he did vs Garou while drunk.
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Not really, my only problem is that you used equal signs for a lot of characters, even when one is stronger than the other.
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Can staff here check out my CRT? Thanks
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This makes sense, he can overcome the durability of someone who scales to low 7-B with an piercing attack
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The balls have also been slapped away by the Tentacle girl and when talking about its piercing power he states it can "even punch through x millimeters of hardened steel". Low 7-B piercing doesn't make sense with either one. Especially when we know that Garou can be stabbed with arrows and get cuts on other things that shouldn't harm him assuming a realistic level of durability.
Being cut just isn't a feat when Garou isn't shown to be resistant to cutting attacks really.
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The only exception we made is Spring Mustachio because Tomboy scales far above his normal AP, Garou himself said they could have had a decent fight had he not known of the weakness of Tomboy and because he is a top disciple of Nichirin who stated Spring could be higher in the hero ranking if he didnt restrict himself
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Would God have immeasurable speed if he observed the whole instance of Saitama traveling through time and punching Garou?
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No, since it could just be cosmic senses. Immeasurable speed would have to be him moving or fighting through time without a power like Saitama/Ghost Garou.
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Current chapter says otherwise mrk
HAHAHAHA! NOT JUST 1 HE GOT 2 OF THEM HAHAHAHA LE SUCK IT
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What are cosmic lenses? Like the cosmic awarness?
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or maybe the things that cut him are just low 7-B? This is an insane line of logic that's making exceptions for no reason
we accept normal humans as being wall level, we accept zombieman as having desert eagles that can level a neighborhood, so why all of a sudden not accept garou being damaged by piercing multiple times as scaling? Maybe just accept the fact that a character damaged a low 7-B character, and therfore should scale. If other characters were able to damage him, they scale too, it's just that simple.
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Is this your first time hearing about piercing damage & slashing damage on the wiki?
We even have a note on this on the Durability page.
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I am fully aware, which is why I'm arguing this
we give ratings things like "higher with piercing" all the time
in this case, golden ball is low 7-B with piercing. Even if he can't actually output low 7-B force on garou's level, his piercing damage can harm those that are low 7-B, hence low 7-B with piercing.
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No, that's a rather notable thing throughout fiction and even in OPM. Like Damage said we even have a durability page note. If the character is shown to be susceptible to sharp things (like Wonder Woman for example), we don't scale people to their tier based on cutting them.
Because the enemy Zombieman fought with his pistols didn't showcase a weakness to piercing attacks like Garou has. If it was cut by shards of glass or a knife by someone much weaker than Zombieman, we also wouldn't scale the guns to him. Look at Halo for example. We scale the guns different from Master Chief because the guns have different levels of power and don't full scale in that franchise.
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Why is Golden Ball's projectiles somehow reaching as high as Low 7-B (despite, you know, richocheting off of brick walls without damaging them) more likely than Garou just being hurt by something that is weaker than Low 7-B?
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it's true that we don't scale their striking strength to it
what isn't true is the idea that we can't add a note that h is capable of piercing low 7-B characters
Again, there is no assumption that garou has an extreme "weakness to piercing damage" unless it's proven
if characters have pierced garou, then their attacks can pierce low 7-B characters. This is a wild jump in logic.
well we already know damn well that if golden ball was 9-A, the walls would still be completely obliterated regardless
if this is your counterargument, then it would therefore also apply to his current rating and you'd have to say that golden ball is like baseline 9-C with piercing or something.
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on another note
how is that high 7-A bang scaling cooking
how is that high 7-A bang scaling cooking
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Now that you mention it, Golden Ball 9-A justification is straight up wrong so he is probably 9-B with his actual feats or whatever piercing through 5 milimeters of thick iron plate yields
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Garou has been cut by Golden Ball, cut by a spear, shot by bullets, shot by arrows and is then stabbed in a superior form by a person who he also one shots.
EDIT: Forgot, deflect Death Gatling's bullets also completely messed up his hands
So I'm asking you this Ziller: Provide a feat where Garou isn't cut by something.
It's not. Its a standard applied to multiple other franchises and OPM isn't exempt from it.
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And I am saying I have absolutely no obligation to do so
all this means is that these things just have piercing that scale to his durability
the idea that the burden of proof is on ME to prove that something that damaged a low 7-B character is low 7-B is absolute insanity.
You literally have nothing whatsoever suggesting that any of these things shouldn't scale to his durability.
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Then you have zero ground to stand on. I provided evidence for my point, so it's on you to disprove it. If you don't have any evidence then you don't have any grounds to suggest upscaling.
Every time Garou encounters a sharp or piercing attack, it cuts him. I'm asking you to give any evidence where something sharp or piercing hits him and fails to do damage.
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Can you prove that merely piercing Garou's skin is equal to Low 7-B?
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you provided evidence that other people have been able to damage garou
which means literally absolutely NOTHING if you can't prove that they can't be low 7-B with their piercing
and where is your evidence that garou is specifically weak to these attacks? Attacks damaged him, so what? You are the one who needs to prove that the characters that damaged a low 7-B character aren't low 7-B with piercing.
It doesn't mean they're outputting low 7-B force, it means they can pierce a character with low 7-B durability, meaning they have low 7-B piercing
I am so sick of this. When did we get to the point where a character that damages a low 7-B character can't scale to low 7-B without more proof.
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yeah ik
that's why I said high 7-A instead of 6-C
