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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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Nooo, don't you get it Qaws? Those characters are suddenly capable of outputting thousands of times more force when they use a sharp object in their hands... duh....
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and where is your evidence that they are hundreds of thousands of times weaker than them? I mean, they did hurt him. You can't just be like "well they're weaker than him" and then when I say they aren't that much weaker because they damaged him you reply with "well that time doesn't count"
what you need is actual evidence that them hurting him shouldn't be possible due to contradictory scaling. This proof of yours is an insane amount of bullshit, all you're doing is bringing up times he got hurt by piercing. Cool, now where's your evidence that it shouldn't be possible?
This is a complete joke. You claim we default to assuming that characters must have piercing AP to hurt someone on that level, but when someone actually DOES hit garou with piercing, it's automatically "well he got pierced so he MUST be extremely weak to piercing, even if we are meant to be assuming otherwise.
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Atomic Samurai.
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Ziller....
Garou makes it clear that if the group attacking him had brought even one S-Class hero (i.e., Genos) that they would have won over him... But instead you're arguing that all of these A-Class and B-Class heroes who failed to take on Garou are all on the same level as Genos who Garou scales to?
Your arguments just completely contradict the narrative.
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Flashy Flash if he had his sword/s
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That they're base AP is hundreds of thousands of times weaker than Garou's base AP.
The only way it would be possible is if they were in the same physical range as Garou, which isn't backed by anything. Since that would mean that B-Class heroes are as strong as Genos or that Stinger can take blows from someone who would demolish DSK.
I don't have any idea how you got there. If Garou didn't consistently get hurt by piercing weapons I wouldn't mind Golden Ball's weapons scaling to him (even if it would be a bit dumb). But he is consistently harmed by piercing weapons when we know that the universe will respect our rules with other characters, like Bug God, Darkshine, Saitama or Golden Sperm.
The fact that Garou is harmed by those attacks when they aren't, means that he's inconsistent with the verse itself.
Exactly.
You need to take off the scaling blinders Ziller. Golden Ball just doesn't scale to Garou's durability.
You have also again failed to post any proof that Garou can take a sharp attack without being damaged. This is like the fourth or fifth time I've asked you for evidence.
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I think that kind of sarcastic response is a bit unnecessary, even if you believe someone's arguments/reasonings to be wrong. That's just mocking them.
I don't agree with them either. As the reasoning being used is rather weak in my opinion. But that kind of response is a little on the harsh side.
I feel bad saying this, because any attempt I make at peace when I see possible harsh words usually gets me mocked afterward. But I think that way of speaking to someone just makes them less likely to listen. I don't think I'm being a whiny baby or whatever, I just want to help out and keep things civil.
Apologies if this came off weird, I just don't understand this stuff. I hope I wasn't being disrespectful.
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This is just ridiculous. They can have low 7-B piercing damage, they clearly failed because they don't have the durability, speed, skill, or comparable stamina to back it up
you'd have realized that this makes no sense as a response to what I said had you thought about it for a few seconds
well in the case of guns that doesn't matter since they're not using their own strength for it, but in the case of stinger we literally ALREADY HAVE HIM GOING FROM 8-B TO HIGH 7-C WITH A WEAPON
I can't believe you're making this argument given what's already accepted on the profiles
stinger is not in the high 7-C physical range. Not to mention, garou got his shit kicked in by genos anyways and was forced to be absolutely evasive the entire time, even faking being hurt by an attack as a trap to lure him into being blasted
And the evidence justifying why those attacks shouldn't be able to harm him is just nonexistent
give me a scaling chain. Give me anything more than this completely null bs about him being "consistently damaged by piercing, so clearly he must have an extreme weakness specifically to piercing attacs
This will be the 4th or 5th time that I tell you that it's a stupid request since the burden of proof is on you, and you haven't produced anything beyond some characters being able to harm garou.
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Given KLOL's response, I don't think he really understood the calc at all. The only real point he made is it would scale to attack speed only.
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Maybe that's because they're not hundreds of thousands of times weaker than him? You have to make an odd assumption in order to come to that conclusion, instead of the more realistic conclusion that those characters simply downscale.
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In both cases Stinger and his weapon are still harming someone far stronger than he is, which own its own might mean something if Garou wasn't harmed by every piercing attack that hit him.
Which is even worse, since he's 8-B and with a naturally grown bamboo spear he can easily cut Garou
???
Garou > Tanktop Master = Genos > Early Genos who can demolish a mountain
None of them remotely come close to this and they're one shot by people Genos one shots.
Give you more evidence than multiple pieces of evidence?
At this point you're just rejecting what actually happened in the story for the sake of an upgrade proposal. That's just not how it works.
The burden of proof was on me and provided the proof.
It is now on you to provide counter-evidence. But you can't because it doesn't exist. So instead of saying that you can't do it, you keep shifting the subject.
Garou has no showings of taking a slashing attack and not being harmed. It was decided that he falls into the same category as people like Wonder Woman, so we don't scale people to being able to cut him. It's that simple and we do that with plenty of profiles.
These characters are one shot by people weaker than Garou. They can't downscale when they're a bunch of Class Bs and low As.
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or the calc was just wrong
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Why not? Irl, professional fighters can get cut up by an average dude with a sword, even if they could 1 shot them. That's the whole point of a weapon, it can make up AP and skill differences.
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Because they're one consistently defeated by Demon Level threats in one attack, struggle fighting Tiger level threats for some of them and some of the attacks Garou is hit by (like the arrows or pistols) wouldn't scale to any higher figures.
This isn't an average person vs a MMA fighter. This is an average person trying to damage an Abrams tank with a sword but when they land a hit it somehow cuts the tank.
If it was just one time, they'd just upscale. But it's not one time, it's every time.
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Take that up with the physicists. It's the scientifically approved formula that explains momentum at relativistic speeds and is taught at universities.
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The current discussion rn:
Qaws: Makes a claim (Garou is weak to piercing damage)
Ziller: Support that claim.
Qaws: Supports claim (cites instances of Garou being weaker to piercing damage)
Qaws: Provide counter evidence.
Ziller:…..Support your claim…
—Literally the last hour
Qaws: Makes a claim (Garou is weak to piercing damage)
Ziller: Support that claim.
Qaws: Supports claim (cites instances of Garou being weaker to piercing damage)
Qaws: Provide counter evidence.
Ziller:…..Support your claim…
—Literally the last hour
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Not fully true. Spring Mustachio's Tomboy was able to pierce and would have killed Kombu infinity (a pretty powerful Tiger level) had he not dodged. He was also capable of injuring BS and blocking attacks from HE.
Stinger was injured by tigers, but he was more than capable of 1 shotting them when he got serious. The simple explanation is his AP is higher than his dura. While he was 1 shot by DSK, that was after his injuries, and he still survived. In fact, even the lowest rated A class was able to take a hit from the empowered DSK without dying.
Lightning Max was able to 1 shot a demon level threat.
In fact, all A class, while really hurt, could survive DSK's punches, which could explain why piercing weapons could make up such a gap.
Edit: And the lowest rated A class could also 1 shot a demon.
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Spring Mustachio was stomped by Kombu infinity, only fought low-level Sperm Clones and the orbs would have killed him if they directly impacted his body.
But they were all one shot. Heroes don't die in OPM, but they are regularly defeated without difficulty if they fight a stronger monster.
Lightning Max defeated one Crow who as a group collectively were Demon level. He got one tapped by an actual an actual Demon level and was one shot by Gokuetsu.
They were all defeated in one hit. Not dying to someone isn't a scaling feat.
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Which is more cohesive:
1. The M1 Abrams is so weak to piercing damage that an average dude can cut through is like paper.
or
2. The dude swinging the sword is not an "average" dude.
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If the average dude will be killed by the M1Abrams running him over or just moving the turret fast enough to hit him, it's the Abrams being weak not the person being strong.
As I told Ziller, not everything is an upgrade, and not every possible scaling chain is valid. Garou is accepted as being weak to piercing attacks. It's why cutting him isn't evidence for scaling, because everyone cuts him.
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But his body was still able to exert enough energy to redirect them. It's also noted that he usually has to hold back because of civilians, and the MA raid allows him to let loose. More proof his AP is higher than his dura.
Lightning Max survived two hits, didn't he? And Stinger was injured.
DSK is a high demon, and the crows still have to be close to demon in order for three of them to = a demon level threat, and they got 1 shot.
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Ok…let’s put it like this:
Garou deflecting amped up metal’s bat’s attacks just rattled his bones a little.
Garou’s hand got pierced straight through by Tomboy.
Now which is more reasonable:
The AP of spring mustachio is higher than the AP of an amped up Metal Bat.
Or
Garou, might just be weak to piercing damage.
Garou deflecting amped up metal’s bat’s attacks just rattled his bones a little.
Garou’s hand got pierced straight through by Tomboy.
Now which is more reasonable:
The AP of spring mustachio is higher than the AP of an amped up Metal Bat.
Or
Garou, might just be weak to piercing damage.
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Idk, it feels like grasping at straws. Why does Garou have this weakness? Nobody else does, and it's never brought up. All the characters able to pierce him have evidence of their AP being >> than their dura, and survive strikes from high demons (albeit injured).
Also, while they might not die, One is more than comfortable showing a hero's body get mutilated if they're too weak. Just look at TTM vs. Fuher Ugly. The fact that DSK didn't instantly mutilate Lightning Max is evidence enough that he's not 9 billion times weaker.
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….I think if DSK kept punching Lightning Max like Fuher ugly did to TTM they’d look quite similar in disfiguration
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This is a very misleading comparison. When fighting Metal Bat, he was using techniques specifically designed to redirect attacks much stronger than the defender.
Metal Bat was literally going to 1 shot kill Garou at the end of the fight, and Garou acknowledges as much. Meanwhile, Spring Mustachio just stabbed him in the hand.
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They're energy attacks, not things with mass. Deflecting them has nothing to do with muscles but with how you interact with energy.
Yeah, you're right. It was two. But Max also survived attacks from Vaccine Man and we don't scale him to what VM can output. Because being stomped isn't a feat.
I explained why. Everything that's sharp harms him and that isn't consistent with other characters like Darkshine or Golden Sperm.
This is a general thread. If you all really feel like changing the rules make a CRT I guess. Lets get back to the usual Alexander posting and ranting that Boros should in fact scale to Saitama's full power.
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The difference is that scene is specifically framed as him taunting Mumen Rider, while the others are him actually trying to kill people.
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…..why didn’t Garou deflect all of SM’s attacks like he did against Metal Bat when he was doing literally the exact same thing Metal Bat was….
…Or when he was in the air….
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Yeah, he doesn't scale to explosions he was hundreds of meters away from.
I mean in the story being told, but regardless, those two characters never encountered piercing damage, and also are at vastly different levels than Garou.
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Because he was baiting it out. He wanted to disarm him, not redirect the attack.
Anyways, the side of Spring Mustachio's sword is dull and round so it wouldn't be any different than deflecting MB's attacks.
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It was stated that Vaccine Man just walked passed them. They weren't hundreds of meters away. One of the heroes was also Rider, so even the hundreds of meters away thing wouldn't work.
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I would think so but a page later it just shows him strolling on the ground
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He wanted to disarm him by….letting his hand get run through so he could counter? Instead of just….using his hands to redirect the attack and then counter?
He was literally redirecting all of golden ball’s attacks?
Also SM was actually slashing everything across from him.
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This is silly, since spring mustachio is low 7-B already anyways
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Spring Mustachio actually scales because he has statements from Garou and his own master (who is arguably S Class level) to back up his feats, I explained this a million times already.
Trying to scale random A and B Class nobodies to Garou means that they would oneshot BoS Genos, DSK and a ton of Demon level monsters use your ******* brain ffs
Trying to scale random A and B Class nobodies to Garou means that they would oneshot BoS Genos, DSK and a ton of Demon level monsters use your ******* brain ffs
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I agree with Ziller. Piercing damage piercing low 7-B should be low 7-B. Anyone scaling to him should scale.
