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no one cares about ninja village,i don't care for sonic,i don't care for the random of ninja village
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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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that is the truth
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Me with Boruto
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except that boruto is like worst
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You're forgetting all the accumulated damage from before then. And even then, there's no reason to not scale MA Genos to that value. He's considered a great loss, but no one ever treats him like he's strong enough to one shot all the other cadres. If he could, he would be their ultimate weapon, and Genos would be dead, not injured.
Edit: Especially seeing as Orochi was concerned at the idea of someone beating Rover in a fight, which he wouldn't be if Goketsu was so much stronger, yet and had his block knocked off.
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bomb's bones were never even broken lmao, this whole time you've been saying this but it never happened
and thus your argument is gone.
Your argument's already dead but for the record, if bomb is stronger than bang it would be by a miniscule amount, as fubuki says that he rivals bang, and they are shown being comparable when they do the combo attack against centipede, so it's a very irrelevant thing.
Garou was gonna one shot bang because the dura negating shockwaves would break every bone in his body
this is not hard to understand. Garou and bang were close enough physical, garou just had more effective techniques and didn't grow notably stronger or faster, to the point where even at the end of the fight bomb was still able to pinpoint exact moments where bang could use exploding heart release fist
so yeah, there's 0 evidence that awakening breath increases durability
bomb's bones were never broken, and if they were it was because of taking a direct hit which caused to blatantly durability negating shockwaves to do it.
your argument is rooted in headcanon my friend, and relies on headcanon to justify it further
Bang: "For one last time, I'll go all out!"
gee, I sure wonder how him going all out is contradicted by him holding back and suppressing himself.
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To be completely honest, if there’s not going to be a CRT made about this, I don’t care.
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Hey, I have a question: has anyone tried to calc this? Previous to that feat, AS was stationary, and it seems he didn't begin to move until the sword was at this distance of him (Anime also somewhat confirms it I guess?). That guy's technique surpassed the speed of sound even before turning a monster, but ended speedblitzed and cut in several bits before he could attack him even once
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Atomic Samurai speed recalc
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You can try but I doubt you would get a higher result than his current Sub-Rel+ attack speed though
Anyway, I'll be going on vacation now, see you guys in 2 or 3 weeks or so maybe less.
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The feat itself was ruled unusable because the panel's angle and the size of the cloud split don't match
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You're the one that engaged in the conversation by saying "we're not doing that". I'm willing to make a CRT about it, but usually discussing it for a decent amount of time first irons out any potential kinks in the logic and reasoning.
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Makes sense.
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But they were, I find it astonishing how you would go and make a baseless statement without even bothering to check the validity of your claim before making the statement.
I find it sad how you believe baseless assumptions are a form of refutations.
https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/917231035614363678/917283486195408926/page_23.pngHis leg is bending in ways that aren’t humanly possible, the mere fact that he has been crawling around further reinforces this idea. I thought this was a commonly known fact, I guess not.
Point still stands, Garou being strong enough to absolute whop Bomb and destroy his leg would put him a vast amount above base Bang. Regardless of how you interpret this difference to be in terms of quantity, it would completely nullify and contradict your baseless belief of AB being a minuscule boost in terms of power. Neither does it being incorrect justify your ideas of AB not boosting durability, a claim neither stated or shown in
Why are you claiming he has durability negation? Internal attacks=/=durability negation. Durability negation is something that ignores durability all together and attacks with a force that can’t be resisted by normal physical means, while internal attacks are abilities that focuses on attacking the internal body. Garou does the former. Even so, this wouldn’t take away from Bang’s durability, this attack was strong enough to overcome his durability and one shot him and I fail to see what relevance this has in our discussion. You’re claiming Garou didn’t grow in this fight at all, which is entirely baseless. Garou could grow from Island level to MC in .00013s. His growth factor cannot be defined in conventional means and it’s unfair to assert that he didn’t grow much in his fight against Bang. His island level feat was accomplished by a Garou who was combining all his past techniques into one, which would be vastly above the attack which one shotted Bang with a mere graze.
Bang only harmed Garou via WSRCF which would apply Garou’s own force onto himself. Garou could tank the energy of an attack which one shotted Bang with a mere graze. We’re not wearing our thinking caps here, lmao.
And there’s 0 proof of vice versa, there’s more evidence supporting the idea than there is a durability boost vs your none existent evidence depicting it not boosting durability. Until you provide something contradicting the belief then you cannot assert that it “slightly” boost strength.
My argument relies on no headcanon and is completely supported by the story. You can sit and commit an ad hominem all you want but the fact remains. Garou could destroy Bombs legs.
You’re also baselessly claiming that he used a dura negation attack to destroy his legs, something Garou has never been presented to have such an ability and both Bang and Bomb we’re surprised when Garou used their combination attacks, which is used to create shockwaves that traverses the body.
You’re confusing durability negation and internal attacks. Garou can generate shockwaves that attack the internal body, but it’s not durability negation as a certain amount of durability would be capable of enduring said attack. Durability negation would be something like Hakai, which ignores the durability of the opponent and erases them from existence.
Even if you assume Garou used internal attacks, which is literally impossible, that wouldn’t take away from the fact that they destroyed his bones, something Garou couldn’t do the Bang.
Going all out in the sense that he’s using a form that boosts him to his limits, unless you believe he cannot hold back while using this state. If that’s the case people like FU should be downscaling from surviving a barrage from him, while being heavily damaged, itself not to the point of him being destroyed completely and he would have to be relative in strength for him to even endure the barrage.
Again, that’s according to you.
Your belief would he contradicted by the story itself.
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Neutral, but that doesn't look humanly impossible to me (though I'd say I'm more flexible than average, so idk if that applies to an old man with back issues).
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It looks broken to me and given the way Bomb is moving around (he’s crawling) and even when watching FU walking towards Bang to kill him he could do nothing but crawl towards him using only his arms, even upon his brother’s death. One could argue he’s just exhausted from his fight, though this is ignoring the scan presented above, but throughout Bang’s fight Bomb shows no signs of fatigue and seemed pretty fine whole viewing the fight.
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It’s still whatever, Garou was literally using dura neg shockwaves which bang would have been broken by too, so it literally doesn’t matter. Bomb was even the one from which he learned it anyways, so nothing has changed from my original debunk
As for you saying it doesn’t negate durability, sorry, but it seems like you weren’t paying attention.
Bang is directly capable of punching Garou at the end and yet was completely incapacitated by being lightly grazed by Garou at the end of the fight. Bomb literally states that all bang’s bones would be broken if he took a direct hit so uhhh.
So assuming bomb’s bones are even broken in that panel, literally NOTHING changes.
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the last panel we see of bomb in that fight is of him getting hit in the face by garou (while standing)
after that, bang steps in and they fight
after that, bang steps in and they fight
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There should be a clear distinction between internal attacks and durability negation.
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well bang was still comparable to garou while bomb said that his technique would shatter all of bang's bones, so at the very least we could probably say that the effects of the shockwave outmatch his own AP
he still says he's going all out right before that clash so, it's still scaling
after all, this just proves that he didn't activate awakening breath until a few moments later. Garou is comparable but isn't superior enough to beat water stream rock smashing fist as seen when his first attack is deflected.
So we would still just say that garou downscales from his awakening breath value, which is consistent with bomb scaling to that instead of directly to bang's awakening breath.
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I'm going to go map out a full scaling chain then, so I can make sure that this makes sense fully
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I mean, Awakening Breath Bang was clashing with pre Awakening Breath Garou similar to how Bomb did.
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Even if you assume Bang was going all out, there’s still 0 reason for Bang to scale to the Island level, Bomb downscaling upgrades literally everyone to Island level.
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Bro his shins are literally bent lmao.
How? The best you can argue is EC, who would just scale to themselves because the only other people able to hurt it are Genos (Who needed to stab his eyes to do any real damage.
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Like I said, I saw the wrong part of the image when I said that.
It's definitely broken.
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If we go by that, then Rover would upscale to Bomb, so would do an "at most" Fubuki, Gyoro Gyoro and as thus Half-Monster Garou, Darkshine, Golden Sperm... half MA arc would become 6-C
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Bomb and Bang’s cross fang dragon bs move could somewhat harm Orochi, which almost all the other S class could do to a much stronger Orochi form.
Bang shouldn’t be scaling anyways. He only harmed Garou via reflection.
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Ignoring how he cracked Garou's face, and overall was able to control the fight for at first.
Were they going at full power?
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Nah, they were clearly holding back against a monster that survived a barrage of attacks from nearly all S-Class heroes, just to see if holding back is the way to defeat him
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He only cracked Garou’s with damage reflection, why is everyone ignoring this? WSRCF is a technique that Is stated to redirect attacks, and takes the redirected energy and uses it against the opponent, attacking with twice it’s original striking power.
Bang shouldn’t scale as this isn’t a viable feat for him.
They were actively trying to kill Orochi, attacking with a technique that is stated to be superior than the sky ripping fist. This attack would be beyond their full power.
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I've readen that manga a long time ago, iirc there was a ladder with no visible end, each one representing a higher dimension (which were stated to follow the common dimensional tiering: first dimension is a line, second dimension is a plane, 3D are us, 4D are superior etc. etc.).
Saitama defeated God, who rule over all space-time and stated "not even 4D beings could defeat him". God also had knowledge over 11 dimensions known by humans plus others humans didn't begin to comprehend.
I'd say that Saitama is at the very least low 1-C in AP, probably a higher tier considering God, despite knowing there are 11+ dimensions, still claimed to be in control over all space-time.
Also that Saitama has kinda good feats, like running at the speed of light using relativity to travel back in time and outdo the time manipulation God used on him to return him to his hair version (before he broke his limiter), and idk if there is more
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