Top 10 Strongest Characters for Every Tier Continuation

[Dereck03]

Would that mean that even if both have Aca 5, the lower will not be able to interact with the higher?

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

An example Such as 5-D Layered Social Influence

As some of the above comments said, SI don't have layers and definitely don't have dimensionality, that would be really silly, we don't say for example that Ritsuka have 1-A SI or that Kaito have 9D SI.

 

[Everything12]

As some of the above comments said, SI don't have layers and definitely don't have dimensionality, that would be really silly, we don't say for example that Ritsuka have 1-A SI or that Kaito have 9D SI.

Riiight. People definitely haven't said such things in the past, especially not about those character specifically. (This is sarcasm)

 

[Greatsage13th]

As some of the above comments said, SI don't have layers and definitely don't have dimensionality, that would be really silly, we don't say for example that Ritsuka have 1-A SI or that Kaito have 9D SI.

Depends on how complex are the higher dimensional beings are to be honest.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Riiight. People definitely haven't said such things in the past, especially not about those character specifically. (This is sarcasm)

Riiiiight...and the entire wiki has never been trolled by a fictional character...(also sarcasm)

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

As someone who is knowledgeable on Homestuck I can say that Retcon powers don't fit this requirement:


As theirs a lack of feats and plenty of anti-feats that prove that John and the like can still be interacted with normally after they gained their Retcon powers.

So John gets interacted by characters like The Condesce once? And that’s it for Type 5? (I know there’s MSPA Reader as well, but I’m just using an example)

It’s literally stated that he’s unbound by the ties of causality (it’s even on the profile), how is that not Type 5, he even stated himself that he transcends the confines of canon after Collide anyway

The Horrorterrors have Type 1 & 4 and yet are still bound by all of that. So how does John not have Type 5?

 

[Expectro2000xxx]

Riiight. People definitely haven't said such things in the past, especially not about those character specifically. (This is sarcasm)

I mean, there is always people wanking things but that don't mean they should be taken as example

 

[Ss3micah]

After a bit of fact checking:
Looking at this objectively. I think you would end up having a Rock Paper Scissors Situation for this

Puella Magi beats John because of Puella Magi has Type 5 Acausal characters so both sides can interact with each other plus Puella Magi Type 5 Acausal has Intangibility untop or that and Passives John does resist

John beats Arale because she can only hope to beat Type 5 Acausals with 5-D Plot Hax which John Hard resists

Arale beats Puella Magi because 5-D plot hax beats Acausal 5 Puella Magi characters who dont resist at all

 

[FoxySonicMaster108]

The 2-A list is gonna be a mess holy crap.

 

[Ss3micah]

Why would SI be layered? How tf does SI have layers?

You're confused about the layers? what about the fact that it is higher dimensional how the **** do you have higher dimensioned talking ability

As some of the above comments said, SI don't have layers and definitely don't have dimensionality, that would be really silly, we don't say for example that Ritsuka have 1-A SI or that Kaito have 9D SI.

Riiight. People definitely haven't said such things in the past, especially not about those character specifically. (This is sarcasm)

Wow...
Talk about Quadruple Slaughter
But Alright then
I honestly didnt know Lolol
I thought it was an actual thing but hey... If Im wrong then Im wrong
Anyways Disregard that Point then

 

[Delta333]

Can Arale affect concept type 1?

 

[Dereck03]

Can Arale affect concept type 1?

not at all.

 

[Ss3micah]

Can Arale affect concept type 1?

Heh?
(That means what)
(Which secretly means i dont know)
(Which on a personal level means definitely not)

 

[Dereck03]

Madoka is a Type 1 conceptual being soooo

 

[Ss3micah]

Madoka is a Type 1 conceptual being soooo

And Arale can become a Higher Dimensional Being who woulr be a Dimensional leap above Madoka

Also I dont know this for certain but the Jury is out on if Higher D Plot Hax would affect a Lower D Conceptual Being

 

[Dereck03]

Also I dont know this for certain but the Jury is out on if Higher D Plot Hax would affect a Lower D Conceptual Being

Our Conceptual Manipulation standards doesn't work like that. So arale cannot be interact with Madoka at all. Judge by the first move of each one

 

[Ss3micah]

Our Conceptual Manipulation standards doesn't work like that. So arale cannot be interact with Madoka at all. Judge by the first move of each one

So Higher D Concept Hax can beat Lower D Plot Hax but the inverse cant happen?

Doesnt that just mean they Incon Each other then if thats the case?

 

[Dereck03]

So Higher D Concept Hax can beat Lower D Plot Hax but the inverse cant happen?

Plot hax doesn't make you invulnerable unlike being a type 1 conceptual being nor allow you to interact with type 1 beings, only if you have feats. Like saying plot haxs allows you to interact with Transduality.

 

[Orioreeem]

So Higher D Concept Hax can beat Lower D Plot Hax but the inverse cant happen?

Not really, if there is a being that is abstract over plot(if such a thing exists) then conceptual manipulation wouldn't be able to interact with it. It's about existance as abstraction not manipulation of powers.

 

[Rabbit2002]

I assume Arale can manipulate Information type 2 (DBH) via her Plot Manipulation? Right?
https://vsbattles.com/threads/rimuru-tempest-vs-xeno-goku.140097/post-4964293
https://vsbattles.com/threads/rimuru-tempest-vs-xeno-goku.140097/post-4965709

 

[Rabbit2002]

Spoiler

Rimuru wincons;

• Resistance to conceptual power null which makes KS power null here useless
• RE to adapt to and resist KS layered resistances, negation, potency
• Mobius system and mana breeder reactor producing infinite energy infinitely to counter DD
• Turn null with CM1, void manipulation
• HGR, immortality type 9, acasuality 3 to escape sealing and buy time to analyze goku, KS and summons
• Ciel analysis not being dependent on magicules (rimuru has run out of energy in BoS and great sage was still functioning)

Goku counters
1- Goku has 2-A range which is indefinitely higher than 2-B range. So yes goku can and will effect imaginary space. Lets not forget that goku summons have higher than baseline 2-A range....so Imaginary space gets cucked^2.
2- DBH info type 2 should be similer to Slime's CM1, since it is fundamental and effecting reality doesn't effect these info. Plus, DBH power null can null 4-D layered info so....Slime gets nulled.

 

[Ss3micah]

Plot hax doesn't make you invulnerable unlike being a type 1 conceptual being nor allow you to interact with type 1 beings, only if you have feats. Like saying plot haxs allows you to interact with Transduality.

Not really, if there is a being that is abstract over plot(if such a thing exists) then conceptual manipulation wouldn't be able to interact with it. It's about existance as abstraction not manipulation of powers.

SHALLOW VERNAL

 

[Ss3micah]

I assume Arale can manipulate Information type 2 (DBH)

Only as Towale

via her Plot Manipulation? Right?

HELL NAW!!!

 

[Delta333]

I assume Arale can manipulate Information type 2 (DBH) via her Plot Manipulation? Right?
https://vsbattles.com/threads/rimuru-tempest-vs-xeno-goku.140097/post-4964293
https://vsbattles.com/threads/rimuru-tempest-vs-xeno-goku.140097/post-4965709

And why the **** information is concept type 1 just because information exists independently from reality? It's assuming that information=concept, which is wrong like how a NEP character with aspect type 2 will not have type 4 by default

 

[Dereck03]

And why the **** information is concept type 1 just because information exists independently from reality? It's assuming that information=concept, which is wrong like how a NEP character with aspect type 2 will not have type 4 by default

Yeah, information cant be compared to a concept.

 

[Ss3micah]

Doesnt that just mean they Incon Each other then if thats the case?

Orioreeem and Dereck
If they both Incon each other I guess they both share the 5th spot????

 

[Delta333]

Madoka conceptually erases her to oblivion

 

[Ss3micah]

Madoka conceptually erases her to oblivion

Lacks Range plus cant interact with 5-D HDE

 

[Dereck03]

Orioreeem and Dereck
If they both Incon each other I guess they both share the 5th spot????

Dunno, you have to argue with Delta as i don't know much about madoka, i just know standards

 

[Dereck03]

Lacks Range plus cant interact with 5-D HDE

Becaming HDE is her first move? if not then Madoka just conceptually erase. If so then you guys contradict so much with Arale's first moves.

 

[Delta333]

Even if both are incon she will not enter the list since Madoka can beat John but John stomps Arale hard

 

[Ss3micah]

Becaming HDE is her first move?

Its her first response when dealing with Higher D characters.

 

[Ss3micah]

Even if both are incon she will not enter the list since Madoka can beat John but John stomps Arale hard

Yeah thats true
(Assuming John doesnt lose Acausal 5 for whatever reason)

 

[Dereck03]

Its her first response when dealing with Higher D characters.

Is it passive? Because if not, madoka conceptually nukes passively.

 

[Orioreeem]

Was Madoka's concept hax passive?

 

[Ss3micah]

Is it passive? Because if not, madoka conceptually nukes passively.

Its not passive as far as im aware
Im talking about concept nuke

 

[Dereck03]

That is the main weakness then. Basically she will get destroyed by Madoka's conceptual passives and her other passives.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Wendy should take Ishtars spot in Low 2-C with Low 1-A Resistances & Potency alongside Aca 5 & Trandual 2.

Also unless Gan has 1-A Stuff in his High 1-B Key she should take that spot with 1-A Smurf Reality Warping & Power Null/Modification.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Arale's first moves changes a lot these days

 

[DaReaperMan]

Arale's first moves changes a lot these days

I know right, one match it's one thing, the next it's another, and the one after that it's another...