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Top 15 Strongest Characters for Every Tier


IMO its this guy
He’s not. Hax-wise maybe but the actual strongest guys have terrible pages and don’t even fight.
 
Also, I'm assuming Oma can interact with Nep Type 2?
cause I've only seen NEp Type 1 and 3 in some profiles in Kamen Rider
Probably, I'm going to search the profiles to find a character who has this accepted.

But anyway, Gaim manages to interact with Saver and the justification for Beelzebub's NEP is the exact existential state that Saver finds himself in.
Higher-Dimensional Existence & Abstract Existence (type 1; He is a higher-dimensional existence that lacks a physical body, a mental existence[1]), Beyond-Dimensional Existence (type 2; He's no longer constrained by material worlds and also transcends its space-time), Immortality (Type 4 and 5; Claimed to have transcended life and death and kept resurrecting even after being killed by Armored Riders countless times[2][3]), Transduality (Type 1: Destruction & Creation. He had transcended the duality of destruction and creation, which in turn transcended the cycle of life itself. As a result, he is immune to physical destruction, and when he is destroyed, he isn't re-created by the natural system)
A more detailed explanation:
 
Probably, I'm going to search the profiles to find a character who has this accepted.

But anyway, Gaim manages to interact with Saver and the justification for Beelzebub's NEP is the exact existential state that Saver finds himself in.

A more detailed explanation:
idk how to explain this but There already exists something similar to Saver in Granblue that transcends them like that(I'd use transcends for lack of better words since They are now considered energy that is capable of Harming or Kills God that transcends the very Providence of Sky-realm/Astral Realm) or under a different duality system of Existence/nonexistence and they are something they cannot interact with as well.
and Chaos exist deeper than them

To Explain Providence
Creation and Destruction & Rebirth are diametrically opposed but not in the traditional sense like that.
As Astrals are created without the Destruction and Rebirth half. They completely exist already without the need for Death or Destruction
And forcing Destruction & Rebirth on them causes them to be reborn as a Precipien Entity which is a paradoxical existence that makes them neither.
But still is considered just a higher system of Existence/Nonexistence which allows them to interact and kill the Omnipotent/God who already transcends the Providence which has Creation and Destruction & Rebirth.

Now Chaos is the nothingness that stems from The Original Death aka Death and Destruction is now an independent concept that treats all systems of Existence/Nonexistence as part of Creation and follows them and is The Inevitable End of Everything. That even the void of the nothingness of neither life nor death was not able to harm or affect them even though they were shown seemingly being devoured by this void
 
idk how to explain this but There already exists something similar to Saver in Granblue that transcends them like that(I'd use transcends for lack of better words since They are now considered energy that is capable of Harming or Kills God that transcends the very Providence of Sky-realm/Astral Realm) or under a different duality system of Existence/nonexistence and they are something they cannot interact with as well.
and Chaos exist deeper than them

To Explain Providence
Creation and Destruction & Rebirth are diametrically opposed but not in the traditional sense like that.
As Astrals are created without the Destruction and Rebirth half. They completely exist already without the need for Death or Destruction
And forcing Destruction & Rebirth on them causes them to be reborn as a Precipien Entity which is a paradoxical existence that makes them neither.
But still is considered just a higher system of Existence/Nonexistence which allows them to interact and kill the Omnipotent/God who already transcends the Providence which has Creation and Destruction & Rebirth.

Now Chaos is the nothingness that stems from The Original Death aka Death and Destruction is now an independent concept that treats all systems of Existence/Nonexistence as part of Creation and follows them and is The Inevitable End of Everything. That even the void of the nothingness of neither life nor death was not able to harm or affect them even though they were shown seemingly being devoured by this void
None of this is an additional layer of non-existence, just immo5/invulnerability and hax resistance.
 
None of this is an additional layer of non-existence, just immo5/invulnerability and hax resistance.
I disagree. They were specific when mentioning key terms on this one.
Astrals are already Type 5 immo and so does primal beast yet they can be killed by Otherworlders and implosion of the world
invulnerability is out of the question when the way to resist Legion Void was literally overpowering it with the Power of the Omnipotent that at that time they have to reach or were unable to corrupt.
Hax's resistance from being more nonexistent isn't resistance after all he was seemingly affected yet nothing actually happened to him even as the void devoured him which points that the void has no reach towards them the same way Providence has no reach towards them

eitherway you need to prove that there is a NEp type 2 in the series Oma can interact with
after all TD2 from existence nonexistence is different from NEP type 2
due to nep being more about nonexistent than both while TD2 is beyond both
 
I'm not arguing for layers I'm arguing that NEP type 2 is different from Oma's TD2 which he claimed to be similar
It's literally the same reason, nothing you presented changed the justification, it was just about X being deeper than Y, if you weren't arguing about layers then there is literally nothing to discuss about what you said.
 
Beelzebub can put it up as a full-body barrier with Langelaan field. he freely controls it to the point that even if he is being pulverized or is being killed/erased.
It won't happened due to layered time stop, unless you'll argue that he can do anything at all inside layered time-stop. Or through High-Godly regen neg.

Also, don't see any NEP Type 2 until his 1-C key.
 
How many layers into high 1a are the characters who occupy these spots ?
Marvel Comics High 1-A layers go like this:

Superflow (baseline) < Omniversal Eternity (1 layer) < Beyond Realm (2 layers) < White Hot Room (3 layers) < Land of Couldn't Be, Shouldn't Be (4 layers) < Land of Can Be, Shall Be (5 layers) < House of Ideas (6 layers)

The One Above All resides in the House of Ideas.
 
Marvel Comics High 1-A layers go like this:

Superflow (baseline) < Omniversal Eternity (1 layer) < Beyond Realm (2 layers) < White Hot Room (3 layers) < Land of Couldn't Be, Shouldn't Be (4 layers) < Land of Can Be, Shall Be (5 layers) < House of Ideas (6 layers)

The One Above All resides in the House of Ideas.
That’s a lot compared to elder scrolls, I think they’re just 2-3 layers
https://vsbattles.com/threads/why-are-anu-and-the-amaranth-tier-0.167560/ . Also should it not be infinite layers for the mystery and countless for the never queen ?
 
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That’s a lot compared to elder scrolls, I think they’re just 2 layers. Also should it not be infinite layers for the mystery and countless for the never queen ?
Actually, Ultima wrote the following:

TL;DR Marvel's meta-cosmology consists of six stacked realms, each transcending the previous one: The Neutral Zone (Malkuth), The Far Shore, The Beyond (Yesod), The White-Hot Room (Tiferet), Da'at and The House of Ideas (Kether). The relationship between them is as follows:

House of Ideas = The realm of pure oneness where only The One Above All exists, transcending all else. It is from here that infinite stories are born, but they are still only ideas, and have to go through several stages before they can become a world.

Da'at = The realm containing all possibility and impossibility. Here, God starts to consider ways in which his creation could be, as well as the ones in which it could not be.

White Hot-Room = The realm of the fires of creation, which forge the possibilities of Da'at into actuality. Here, God says "Let there be light," and the surge of energy that follows is the Big Bang thet gives birth to the cosmos.

Beyond = The foundation on which the world to come will rest. Here, the creative energies produced in the White-Hot Room are harnessed and start being organized and solidified into something concrete. Whereas the White-Hot Room precedes the birth of form, Yesod is the place in which the shape of creation is sketched out, beginning to exist in idea, but not in actuality.

The Far Shore = The pathway between The Neutral Zone and the Beyond, above space, time, life, death and self.

The Neutral Zone = The lowest world. The omniverse as a whole.

So, long story short, The One Above All is 8 levels above baseline High 1-A. There are infinite layers of emanation above them, and a nebulous, unknowable "Godhead" above them all.
 
Marvel Comics High 1-A layers go like this:

Superflow (baseline) < Omniversal Eternity (1 layer) < Beyond Realm (2 layers) < White Hot Room (3 layers) < Land of Couldn't Be, Shouldn't Be (4 layers) < Land of Can Be, Shall Be (5 layers) < House of Ideas (6 layers)

The One Above All resides in the House of Ideas.
Soooo

The White Phoenix is above Eternity? What about the other Cosmos that came before Eternity, where would they be in this scaling?
 
I think that quote refers to the infinite unknown levels in cosmology, cuz there are still things above TOAA
Maybe, but the marvel cosmology blog is outdated and will hopefully be updated soon because I don’t think that's what defenders beyond was trying to depict.
 
Soooo

The White Phoenix is above Eternity?
Indeed.

The White Hot Room is a layer above the Beyond Realm, which in turn is a layer above Eternity.

Btw, The True Phoenix and everything on an equal or higher plane to it is Type 5 Acausal.
What about the other Cosmos that came before Eternity, where would they be in this scaling?
They should all be the same as Omniversal Eternity, especially as the First Firmament, aka the First Cosmos, overpowered a weakened Omniversal Eternity.
 
where should we put this dude
Darkseid got fodderized by another Kamen Rider that Oma stomp, and he would have all of that guy ability because Oma.
 
With the CRT that is about to go through, Ning resists quite a few layers of type 1 concept hax and several different ways to apply it (essentially everything he does is conceptual in nature and so is everything he resists).

His ability to fuse with these type 1 concepts (which have layered Transduality, mind you) as well as his ability to create a black hole that absorbs or ablates all abilities that try to hit him are his best defensive abilities (after his layered resistances, that is).

Offensively, he can instantly kill/erase all the aspects of someone with layered 8D resistances to type 1 concept death hax.

All of this applies to Ning's 3A key, I am not even talking about the 1C ones yet. Can Zi-O do anything against this?

Edit: Now that I think about it, how strong is Kingprotea? Is she an 1A smurf or anything above 8D?
 
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With the CRT that is about to go through, Ning resists quite a few layers of type 1 concept hax and several different ways to apply it (essentially everything he does is conceptual in nature and so is everything he resists).
How many layers are we talking? If it's 3 layers then he doesn't resist it. Lower then he'll shrug it off. However, he can increase his layers by making new ability.
His ability to fuse with these type 1 concepts (which have layered Transduality, mind you) as well as his ability to create a black hole that absorbs or ablates all abilities that try to hit him are his best defensive abilities (after his layered resistances, that is).

Offensively, he can instantly kill/erase all the aspects of someone with layered 8D resistances to type 1 concept death hax.
Oma resist Fusionism. And resist layered conceptual powernull and resist resistance neg as well. He has interact with Type 2 non-dual via bodied Zi-O 2 but not sure if he can interact with layered transdual.

Oma have High Godly Conceptual, History, Plot regen.

How good is his plot hax resistances?
 
How many layers are we talking? If it's 3 layers then he doesn't resist it. Lower then he'll shrug it off. However, he can increase his layers by making new ability.
For his 3A key it would already be something in the 2, maybe 3 layers, the actual 1C key would be more (4 or 5 at the bare minimum).

Oma resist Fusionism.
I think you misunderstood, Ning uses fusionism on himself so that others can't sense or affect him (unless you have the feats for destroying type 1 concepts that have layered Transduality, that is).

And resist layered conceptual powernull and resist resistance neg as well.
How many layers for each of these are we talking about? Again, most if not all of Ning's powers are somewhere from 4 to 5 layers in 8D.

He has interact with Type 2 non-dual via bodied Zi-O 2 but not sure if he can interact with layered transdual.
Ning could deal with baseline type 2 Transduality by his 4B key (which is before he got it himself, mind you), so that doesn't seem to be enough.

Oma have High Godly Conceptual, History, Plot regen.

How good is his plot hax resistances?
Sadly, Ning doesn't have plot hax, is Oma's plot hax passive? What could he do with it against Ning?
 
Sadly, Ning doesn't have plot hax, is Oma's plot hax passive? What could he do with it against Ning?
It isn't passive. However, he can do just about anything with it. If he think you get punch and die then you will, in fact, get punch and die.
 
It isn't passive. However, he can do just about anything with it. If he think you get punch and die then you will, in fact, get punch and die.
That's... a NLF at its best.

Unless he has killed someone with Transduality on Ning's level, he's not killing him with it at all.
 
That's... a NLF at its best.

Unless he has killed someone with Transduality on Ning's level, he's not killing him with it at all.
No? Transduality only applies to the specific dualities that are transcended, if plot is not among them, the NLF is saying that the plot manipulation will be resisted.
On the other hand, characters with transduality exist outside and independently of the logical systems that they're nondual regarding while also possessing qualitative superiority to them. Besides immunizing them against the dualities in question, this power also immunizes them against attempts to apply those dualities to them, as they would transcend the scope of the haxes that could do so.
 
No? Transduality only applies to the specific dualities that are transcended, if plot is not among them, the NLF is saying that the plot manipulation will be resisted.
I am not saying Ning will resist Plot hax, indeed, where did I ever imply he would?

The deal is, what can he actually do with that plot hax that can defeat Ning? Killing him isn't an option as death is among the dualities he transcends, that's akin to saying you're going to punch a NEP 2 character to death without having feats of interacting with one, just change NEP2 for TD2.
 
I am not saying Ning will resist Plot hax, indeed, where did I ever imply he would?

The deal is, what can he actually do with that plot hax that can defeat Ning? Killing him isn't an option as death is among the dualities he transcends, that's akin to saying you're going to punch a NEP 2 character to death without having feats of interacting with one, just change NEP2 for TD2.
Literally anything, you have to have very little creativity to think that there is nothing else that can be done.

Oma can decide that Ji Ning has to go away and win by BFR.

Oma can decide that Ji Ning will do nothing and win by incap.

And between these two Wincons that exist, there are infinite possibilities of what Oma can do to reach them.
 
Literally anything, you have to have very little creativity to think that there is nothing else that can be done.

Oma can decide that Ji Ning has to go away and win by BFR.

Oma can decide that Ji Ning will do nothing and win by incap.

And between these two Wincons that exist, there are infinite possibilities of what Oma can do to reach them.
And which of these things has he ever done in character before? At which point would he try them?

Ning needs little more than a thought to kill or permanently incap Oma with layered hax that he doesn't resist (alongside passive future sight and info analysis to know what would be better to do).
 
And which of these things has he ever done in character before? At which point would he try them?
Oma in character finds any fight that is not personally related to himself a nuisance and wants to end them as quickly as possible, he will simply look into the future and see what is the most efficient way to end the fight.
Ning needs little more than a thought to kill or permanently incap Oma with layered hax that he doesn't resist
You have to be much more specific than that, Oma literally has all types of immortality and countless hax to get out of incap or not even be affected in the first place.
(alongside passive future sight and info analysis to know what would be better to do).
Aca2, Aca4 and transcendent in relation to the duality of space-time.
 
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Oma in character finds any fight that is not personally related to himself a nuisance and wants to end them as quickly as possible, he will simply look into the future and see what is the most efficient way to end the fight.
Ning has layered type 4 acausality and layered transcendence of the duality of space and time himself, with his time related powers (future sight, time stop, etc) all affecting characters with these same abilities + there are 2 time dimensions in the DE cosmology, the default one and a higher one, so his time stuff is inherently better than Oma's unless he has this as well.

You have to be much more specific than that, Oma literally has all types of immortality and countless hax to get out of incap or not even be affected in the first place.
Again, as Nicetoderp already said Oma's layers are below Ning's, in his own words Oma can't resist 3 layers, Ning is at 4 with every single hax at the bare minimum and would be well aware in the case of him being unable to kill Oma and would instantly go for incap using any hax he has that Oma can't resist.

Also, I didn't know Transduality over Life and Death gave type 5 immortality, Ning should have that as well LMAO.

Aca2, Aca4 and transcendent in relation to the duality of space-time.
Read above.
 
Ning has layered type 4 acausality and layered transcendence of the duality of space and time himself, with his time related powers (future sight, time stop, etc) all affecting characters with these same abilities + there are 2 time dimensions in the DE cosmology, the default one and a higher one, so his time stuff is inherently better than Oma's unless he has this as well.
Valid in Aca4 and the additional temporal dimension means nothing if it doesn't add anything beyond the dimensional scale that Ji Ning is already in because dimensionality in general already results in the same.
Again, as Nicetoderp already said Oma's layers are below Ning's, in his own words Oma can't resist 3 layers, Ning is at 4 with every single hax at the bare minimum and would be well aware in the case of him being unable to kill Oma and would instantly go for incap using any hax he has that Oma can't resist.
You have to be more specific, my comment was never about Oma resisting, but rather in the sense of hax interaction, Oma has hax that takes him out of incon depending on the hax's functionality that's why I need to know what you're talking about, can you explain what incap are you talking about and how it works?
 
Valid in Aca4 and the additional temporal dimension means nothing if it doesn't add anything beyond the dimensional scale that Ji Ning is already in because dimensionality in general already results in the same.
I am pretty sure I've seen a few threads where a character having an extra temporal dimension allowed them to affect/resist others.

I think Digimon has this up to this day, as the Digital World has its own higher temporal dimension.

You have to be more specific, my comment was never about Oma resisting, but rather in the sense of hax interaction, Oma has hax that takes him out of incon depending on the hax's functionality that's why I need to know what you're talking about, can you explain what incap are you talking about and how it works?
He can trap Oma in illusions, stop his time, erase his memories of Ning or just overall mind control and just like how Oma can set the plot so that Ning will do this or that, Ning can do the same thing through fate.

And just to be sure, but can plot hax affect someone at a higher dimensional level than the user?
 
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