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Top 10 Strongest Characters for Every Tier Continuation

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LordGriffin1000 said:
Because there isn't just one Clockwork that's active, their are copies of him in different periods of time that have his range which can effect others at different points in time so if he passively mind controls the one in front of him, another in a different time period activated time stop and thus ends the fight because while the Clockwork he's fighting is stuck via mind control, Van can no longer move. Making it inconclusive.
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The Clockwork in front of him would actively work for Van, though. Van doesn't even need to give orders for that. So that Clockwork can just use his abilities to get the other Clockwork also under MC.
 
DontTalkDT said:
The Clockwork in front of him would actively work for Van, though. Van doesn't even need to give orders for that. So that Clockwork can just use his abilities to get the other Clockwork also under MC.
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What abilities? Each Clockwork has the same abilities and since their time powers don't work on each other so the mind controlled Clockwork wouldn't be able to do anything but get rolled on by the other Clockwork's because it will be a 6 v 1.
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
What abilities? Each Clockwork has the same abilities and since their time powers don't work on each other so the mind controlled Clockwork wouldn't be able to do anything but get rolled on by the other Clockwork's because it will be a 6 v 1.
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All he would need to do is get Van close to the others or open a portal to them or anything like that. Then his passive mind control pulls them in one after the other. The mind controlled Clockwork has the opportunity advantage, as he knows of Van first. (Unless they share a mind or something, but then they would all just immediately get mind controlled)
 
Arale now has immortality (Type 8). She should share a spot with Sage Monarch in 4-C since neither of the SM characters listed there have immortality (Type 8) negation.
 
DontTalkDT said:
All he would need to do is get Van close to the others or open a portal to them or anything like that. Then his passive mind control pulls them in one after the other. The mind controlled Clockwork has the opportunity advantage, as he knows of Van first. (Unless they share a mind or something, but then they would all just immediately get mind controlled)
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The others wouldn't stand there and get screwed... also, they all would know Van at the same time because they all have Precognition.
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
The others wouldn't stand there and get screwed... also, they all would know Van at the same time because they all have Precognition.
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That would only apply if they all would be recognising that moment in time.
Although, if they give Van any chance to act (which should be the case with 1 Clockwork defending him and the rest first having to figure out why) Van can get his second kind of mind control started, which is even stronger and vision based.
In fact, if Clockwork constantly sees all of time, than they would see Van using said technique in the past and get mind controlled due to that.
 
DontTalkDT said:
That would only apply if they all would be recognising that moment in time.
Although, if they give Van any chance to act (which should be the case with 1 Clockwork defending him and the rest first having to figure out why) Van can get his second kind of mind control started, which is even stronger and vision based.
In fact, if Clockwork constantly sees all of time, than they would see Van using said technique in the past and get mind controlled due to that.
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Can you provide evidence that it effects people in different time periods? Just because Clockwork sees through time doesn't mean he's there for the effects to hit him. Also, you haven't provide a scaling chain for his mind hax and just said it passes ghost resistance. Could you provide a scaling chain?
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
Can you provide evidence that it effects people in different time periods? Just because Clockwork sees through time doesn't mean he's there for the effects to hit him.
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The skill doesn't have a range as such. If the opponent sees it, the opponent is affected by it. The range hence depends on how far the opponent can see.

It isn't that Van is the source of the effect. He creates a pattern which upon viewing has mind-controlling effects. Think of it like a subliminal message hidden in a movie, for example. He could for example arrange rocks in a certain pattern and whoever looks at those rocks gets mind controlled. Not because the rocks are special or enchanted, but because the pattern was special. It is, in fact, the mere knowledge of the patterns that produces the effect. There is a character in the verse that is able to transmit her memories to other people. Said character once transmitted her memory of seeing one of Van's mind controlling patterns to another person and said person indeed recieved a mental attack as a result.

It even affected people in other universes before.

I mean, really, the profile lists the range of the skill as "works as far as it can be percieved" and as you see that has a good reason (and was accepted in a CRT).

LordGriffin1000 said:
Also, you haven't provide a scaling chain for his mind hax and just said it passes ghost resistance. Could you provide a scaling chain?
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If you want quotes I have to look.

His passive overcomes at least Lv. 3 Mind Resistance (controlled Eleanora when it was like a dozen levels weaker than now), while his active was said to overcome all 10 levels of regular Mind Resistance (although that's the basic version, which has grown much stronger since).

To that comes that it affects undead (including ghosts) who in the verse usually are considered uncontrollable. (well, untamable. Same difference)
 
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Ignoring the fact that Van can affect people with the skill mental resistance and corrupted mind (which is like a higher version of mental resistance) leveled, Van is even able to affect gods which are outright stated to be immune to mental effects, and his mental effects (be it charm, mind manip, maddness, etc) are actually far stronger against ghost (well, undeads in general, along with certain types of people).
 
Yeah, John would fodderize Arale so bad it wouldn't be funny, dude has Type 5 Acasuality + Retcon Powers (which give him 1-A hax and resistances), he's only below Puella Magi because of their passives (some of which don't affect him, but the ones that do work screw him over)
 
Setsuna_tenma said:
lack of passives and their mind hax
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Mind Hax?
Against a Character with IP2? Information Level Data and Hacking Resistance? And can operate separately from their CPU Mind? Which normally blank state anyways?
FoxySonicMaster108 said:
Yeah, John would fodderize Arale so bad it wouldn't be funny, dude has Type 5 Acasuality + Retcon Powers (which give him 1-A hax and resistances), he's only below Puella Magi because of their passives (some of which don't affect him, but the ones that do work screw him over)
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I'll hold off, wait and see what happens after the Acausality Type 5 revision is done
Btw Arale has passives as well that John has no answer for. (Example Passive Social Influencing)
 
Ss3micah said:
What kind of bizarre character is that?
Why is Puella Magi above him? (and what makes you think Arle cant beat him)
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Because they have aca type 5 npi and thereby beat him from there
Arale can't and using plot hax against a Homestuck character is asking to get outclassed, but even then also John has multiple levels of disconnect from plot, causality, and fate stuff, with noble circle horrorterrors being above the high 1-B creator hierarchy which is infinite layers of fates, causalities, and plots, transcendence path peeps being beyond horrorterrors and John with retcon stuff being beyond that still, they couldn't touch john even if they tried
Edit: Forgot to bring up hussie, so squeeze in another layer of detachment between John and Transcendence path peeps
 
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deonment said:
Because they have aca type 5 npi and thereby beat him from there
Arale can't and using plot hax against a Homestuck character is asking to get outclassed, but even then also John has multiple levels of disconnect from plot, causality, and fate stuff, with noble circle horrorterrors being above the high 1-B creator hierarchy which is infinite layers of fates, causalities, and plots, transcendence path peeps being beyond horrorterrors and John with retcon stuff being beyond that still, they couldn't touch john even if they tried
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DontTalkDT said:
The skill doesn't have a range as such. If the opponent sees it, the opponent is affected by it. The range hence depends on how far the opponent can see.

It isn't that Van is the source of the effect. He creates a pattern which upon viewing has mind-controlling effects. Think of it like a subliminal message hidden in a movie, for example. He could for example arrange rocks in a certain pattern and whoever looks at those rocks gets mind controlled. Not because the rocks are special or enchanted, but because the pattern was special. It is, in fact, the mere knowledge of the patterns that produces the effect. There is a character in the verse that is able to transmit her memories to other people. Said character once transmitted her memory of seeing one of Van's mind controlling patterns to another person and said person indeed recieved a mental attack as a result.

It even affected people in other universes before.

I mean, really, the profile lists the range of the skill as "works as far as it can be percieved" and as you see that has a good reason (and was accepted in a CRT).
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Other universes doesn't mean other time periods so your point is moot, especially when Clockwork, going by this logic was unaffected by Freakshows staff which effects ghosts that precive it even if it isn't the real thing, through tv, billboards and such but Clockwork never came to him despite it mind controls ghosts that see it to come to him
DontTalkDT said:
If you want quotes I have to look.

His passive overcomes at least Lv. 3 Mind Resistance (controlled Eleanora when it was like a dozen levels weaker than now), while his active was said to overcome all 10 levels of regular Mind Resistance (although that's the basic version, which has grown much stronger since).

To that comes that it affects undead (including ghosts) who in the verse usually are considered uncontrollable. (well, untamable. Same difference)
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So basically it's some asinine (I use that word in a joking manner) unquantifiable above multiple levels of resistance? Meh, he can take the spot then since he lacks that many levels of resistance (I think it's 4 at most). Clockwork's getting buffed to tier 6 or 5 soon so he wouldn't be in the spot for long anuway.
 
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