STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

[Apeironaxim]

You know, a lot of people are hating on the time travel tidbit but I'm not exactly seeing an easy solution for everyone Saitama ever cared about being murdered or dying from radiation poisoning.

Genos could be fixed by Kusano-ex machina or something, but that'd be just another plot device, though whether it'd be better or worse than time travel is up to interpretation and actual execution. Radiation poisoning could be relieved by people like Bofoi building hyper advanced radiation therapy stuff, with perhaps some random hero who specializes in toxic waste cleanup who can absorb radiation or something also helping. There's other ways to do it, it just depends on if its done well

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

People really need to realize that the webcomic and manga are separate continuities and they don’t have to line up perfectly.

True. It's one thing to compare the manga and webcomic, but it's another thing to try to ruin anyone's enjoyment of one or the other. For example, I don't like a lot of Phase 4 of the MCU, personally, but if others do, that's fine.

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

he's just envious that his story sucks while OPM does not

The **** you mean OPM doesn't suck?

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Saitama travels to the wrong timeline and ends up in the webcomic

 

[Bernkastelll]

The **** you mean OPM doesn't suck?

what?

 

[RinneItachi]

WC elitists: garou doesn't kill and tats is an evil phenomenon=peak fiction
manga simply flips garou into being an absolute freak and making tats more careful
WC elitists: "but but but, this is so out of character..."

Tbf Garou was a bit out-of-character from time to time. Not CF Garou of course, but Garou during some of the later versions of this arc didn't really feel the same as he did before it, even comparing him in the manga purely. Hero Hunter Garou was more intimidating and cruel than Monster Garou imo.

 

[Dienomite22]

https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/566830605782876170/1000232995053117450/unknown.png

If only Saitama's "growth" wasn't time paradox'd out of existence

 

[Qawsedf234]

Lets not dog pile TGS for not liking the manga. You can disagree with their opinions without resorting to personal attacks or just ripping into them.

WC elitists: garou doesn't kill and tats is an evil phenomenon=peak fiction
manga simply flips garou into being an absolute freak and making tats more careful
WC elitists: "but but but, this is so out of character..."

That's not really what they're arguing. The main issues I've seen is mostly just

• Extreme amounts of bloat or redundant material (Sage Centipede and Melted FU for example)
• The manga elbow dropping the reader with statements that Garou's actually a good person
• The mind control and time travel aspect just generally ruining stakes since almost no story does them well
• Multiple extreme redraws that change the plot heavily and result in even more redraws

I've never really seen anyone complain about Tornado being slightly nicer or Garou murdering people, the issue is that they tried to keep the twist from the WebComic but weren't subtle about it.

 

[Dienomite22]

Somewhat agree but I woudn't mind Garou being stronger or weaker than Boros if he kept his believable fictional martial arts and had no help from God and using """"martial arts""""" aka magic

 

[Alexander]

Lets not dog pile TGS for not liking the manga. You can disagree with their opinions without resorting to personal attacks or just ripping into them.

That's not really what they're arguing. The main issues I've seen is mostly just

• Extreme amounts of bloat or redundant material (Sage Centipede and Melted FU for example)
• The manga elbow dropping the reader with statements that Garou's actually a good person
• The mind control and time travel aspect just generally ruining stakes since almost no story does them well
• Multiple extreme redraws that change the plot heavily and result in even more redraws

I've never really seen anyone complain about Tornado being slightly nicer or Garou murdering people, the issue is that they tried to keep the twist from the WebComic but weren't subtle about it.

the problem is that at least for me, the web comic is shit, because of how it looks and not because of the story,i prefer stories with good draw,not bad draw with good storie

 

[Qawsedf234]

had no help from God

I feel like they were going that way until ONE backtracked after all the dislike about the original version of chapter 164 or didn't like where the plot was going. God was basically the only option left at that point since Garou wasn't anywhere near Saitama.

the web comic is shit,

Well okay tha-

because of how it looks and not because of the story

Lmao.

Well at least you're honest I guess.

 

[Dienomite22]

the problem is that at least for me, the web comic is shit, because of how it looks and not because of the story

That's how most of recent manga readers feel sadly

 

[Qawsedf234]

@Therefir For the GRB thing, are we using supernova energies as a baseline or are going to just go with some various estimated GRB measurement?

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

the problem is that at least for me, the web comic is shit, because of how it looks and not because of the story,i prefer stories with good draw,not bad draw with good storie

Webcomic has amazing art

 

[Qawsedf234]

That's not really what they're arguing. The main issues I've seen is mostly just

• Extreme amounts of bloat or redundant material (Sage Centipede and Melted FU for example)
• The manga elbow dropping the reader with statements that Garou's actually a good person
• The mind control and time travel aspect just generally ruining stakes since almost no story does them well
• Multiple extreme redraws that change the plot heavily and result in even more redraws

I've never really seen anyone complain about Tornado being slightly nicer or Garou murdering people, the issue is that they tried to keep the twist from the WebComic but weren't subtle about it.

Right I did forgot to add my personal complaint regarding the bloat: The arc did the same thing the Amazing Spider-Man and DCEU did in my view, where they just shoved in a ton of future plot hooks in way to soon. You didn't need the Blastvengers (which ONE seemingly agreed with since he removed Murata's entire section on them), you probably didn't need to much God set up and a lot of the stuff with Blast were for future arcs.

 

[Dienomite22]

I feel like they were going that way until ONE backtracked after all the dislike about the original version of chapter 164 or didn't like where the plot was going. God was basically the only option left at that point since Garou wasn't anywhere near Saitama.

I believe it's because ONE and Murata realized the fight was incredibly lackluster on all fronts which nobody would ever admit until cosmic Garou happened.

 

[Magmag]

That's not really what they're arguing. The main issues I've seen is mostly just

• Extreme amounts of bloat or redundant material (Sage Centipede and Melted FU for example)

2 filler chapters, indeed, they can simply be retconned and hold no value if we're being honest. FU is peak, absolutely nothing wrong with him, unless you really just wanted bang to one shot 2 dragons and lose bang vs garou aswell as no character development from multiple characters.

• The manga elbow dropping the reader with statements that Garou's actually a good person

well he's always been a good person, the manga just made it obvious which is a fair point but doesn't make the readers die from this change.

• The mind control and time travel aspect just generally ruining stakes since almost no story does them well

the stakes already happened tho, if anything it builds more around just what is saitama even?

• Multiple extreme redraws that change the plot heavily and result in even more redraws

i can agree with that to some extent but alot of the redraws built more stuff rather than each arc being independent from one another and can be a story without any context.

I've never really seen anyone complain about Tornado being slightly nicer or Garou murdering people, the issue is that they tried to keep the twist from the WebComic but weren't subtle about it.

there were alot of people going crazy that garou was being to nice then when hes brought back more to his wc "self" they complained, so no satisfication will come no matter the route unless its a 1:1 copy.

also they're hating on the same man, ONE. like he decided that route B was the move so to be complaining about a totally different story makes no sense.

Edit: about the plot hooks being forced in, ig that is good reasoning but considering the manga will still have the same general arc route, you can't really throw any eerieness into the next 3 arcs, even with all the god stuff in the wc, ONE made saitama go on a journey that is exclusive to any of the other arcs.

 

[Therefir]

@Therefir For the GRB thing, are we using supernova energies as a baseline or are going to just go with some various estimated GRB measurement?

We are going to use 1^44 Joules for the GRB, the baseline supernova energy.

I couldn't find the width of a GRB so I had to delete that section from the calc.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I believe it's because ONE and Murata realized the fight was incredibly lackluster on all fronts which nobody would ever admit until cosmic Garou happened.

It wasn't lack luster, but it did what they didn't do with Boros: They made Garou into a joke.

This also isn't me deep throating Boros (this time), this is something Murata mentioned

Murata: On occasion. For instance, during the big showdown with Boros. Since I felt this was the heavyweight championship of the universe, I tried to make it as flashy as possible. However, midway through when Boros starts losing ground to Saitama, there were places where he appeared clownish…ONE-sensei pointed out to me that the reason Boros is popular is because he always retains his dignity, even against Saitama. That made it all click for me, and I redrew things from square one. When it comes to the storyline, characters, and dialogue, all of that flows from ONE-sensei’s head, so I constantly check in with him.

Pre-CF Garou just didn't have any dignity. Saitama was dicking around incredibly hard against him and he was just a joke. Which is a factor in the backlash they got in my view.

the stakes already happened tho, if anything it builds more around just what is saitama even?

The point is that once you stop treating death as serious the readers will also stop treating it serious. Its one of the largest complaints about DC/Marvel and say, Dragon Ball.

Genos' death was a big event for Saitama, but it was quickly undone because they wrote themselves into a unfavorable situation.

but alot of the redraws built more stuff

A lot of the redraws drawed out a long arc to be even longer and most of them, like with Sweet Mask for example, probably didn't need to be done in the first place.

Other redraws like with Orochi just served as setup for future arcs and the entire Phoenix Man arc was just hyper cancer with the redraws.

when hes brought back more to his wc "self" they complained,

But the big thing here: They didn't do that.

WebComic Garou never killed any human. The entire twist was that his thing was a front because he wanted to be a hero. The manga tried to keep that twist, wasn't subtle, had him mind controlled by another character to kill dozens of others and then gave Saitama time travel to undo all of that.

Its not a 1:1 comparison here. You can like the manga while still noting its not perfect. The WebComic has its own pacing and writing issues when it comes to massive text dumps for example.

 

[Magmag]

For example, I don't like a lot of Phase 4 of the MCU, personally, but if others do, that's fine.

what movies specifically? yes ik this isn't an mcu thread.

 

[Qawsedf234]

You know, a lot of people are hating on the time travel tidbit but I'm not exactly seeing an easy solution for everyone Saitama ever cared about being murdered or dying from radiation poisoning.

The complaint, in my view, stems from an incorrect diagnosis of the issue.

What I mean is that people are complaining about time travel when they should complain about the plot making time travel needed. If Garou didn't emit super cancer the plot overall wouldn't change but they could still keep everyone alive. No time travel would be needed. By making Garou kill everyone they basically forced themselves into a time travel plot or a story where the bulk of the cast is now dead.

 

[LordTracer]

super cancer

I don’t know why, but I find the concept of “super cancer” being a power hilarious

 

[HammerStrikes219]

The complaint, in my view, stems from an incorrect diagnosis of the issue.

What I mean is that people are complaining about time travel when they should complain about the plot making time travel needed. If Garou didn't emit super cancer the plot overall wouldn't change but they could still keep everyone alive. No time travel would be needed. By making Garou kill everyone they basically forced themselves into a time travel plot or a story where the bulk of the cast is now dead.

Now if there is any future deaths that can not been undone by time travel, that will been interesting as temporal paradoxes hasn’t been addressed that much in fictional setting IIRC.

 

[Apeironaxim]

The complaint, in my view, stems from an incorrect diagnosis of the issue.

What I mean is that people are complaining about time travel when they should complain about the plot making time travel needed. If Garou didn't emit super cancer the plot overall wouldn't change but they could still keep everyone alive. No time travel would be needed. By making Garou kill everyone they basically forced themselves into a time travel plot or a story where the bulk of the cast is now dead.

technically the only confirmation that people were dead happened in 168, so one would only need to change that bit to fix it

 

[Qawsedf234]

technically the only confirmation that people were dead happened in 168, so one would only need to change that bit to fix it

True.

Now if there is any future deaths that can not been undone by time travel,

Well that's a big complaint for some shows that feature that power. If you can time travel without issue now people are going to ask "Why doesn't Saitama just time travel to prevent X?"

Though because Saitama has the memory of a goldfish he'll probably just forget how to do it or something.

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

what movies specifically? yes ik this isn't an mcu thread.

You really want me to air out the smoke?

 

[Dienomite22]

It wasn't lack luster, but it did what they didn't do with Boros: They made Garou into a joke.

This also isn't me deep throating Boros (this time), this is something Murata mentioned

That's another point that I do bring up but it is indeed lackluster. There was no proper build-up or reason for Garou to fight Saitama, you already mentioned Garou was treated as a joke, the main highlights were the same attacks (fajin) that only changed in scale, Garou completely lacked a will, and there was no notable art double page spreads besides the final fa jin attack that was still lacking in comparison to double spreads from other major fights even in this arc, the choreography and paneling were forgettable and hype wasn't there (at least imo).

Although I'm not a huge fan of the Cosmic Garou fight either I think we can all agree it was a better fight and covers most of the basis the monster Garou fight failed to.

 

[Magmag]

Pre-CF Garou just didn't have any dignity. Saitama was dicking around incredibly hard against him and he was just a joke. Which is a factor in the backlash they got in my view.

so ig the manga redraws still come from ONE.

The point is that once you stop treating death as serious the readers will also stop treating it serious. Its one of the largest complaints about DC/Marvel and say, Dragon Ball. Genos' death was a big event for Saitama, but it was quickly undone because they wrote themselves into a unfavorable situation.

but it is serious cuz as of right now(possibly new chapters will change this), saitama doesn't know he has the opportunity to clown around and change these stakes at will with time travel.

A lot of the redraws drawed out a long arc to be even longer and most of them, like with Sweet Mask for example, probably didn't need to be done in the first place.

i agree with the amai one but i feel like his eye being peirced was needed.

Other redraws like with Orochi just served as setup for future arcs and the entire Phoenix Man arc was just hyper cancer with the redraws.

i mean yeah, but orochi was destined to not even being the final boss of the arc in both wc and manga. phoenix man had like 5 redraws, that was unnecessary but ig ONE wanted wdm to have some build up rather than some weird powers later on out of nowhere.

But the big thing here: They didn't do that.

WebComic Garou never killed any human. The entire twist was that his thing was a front because he wanted to be a hero. The manga tried to keep that twist, wasn't subtle, had him mind controlled by another character to kill dozens of others and then gave Saitama time travel to undo all of that.

i mean we didn't know garou killed everyone until revealed this chapter, everyone assumed they got incapped. simply the only difference was subtleness.

Its not a 1:1 comparison here. You can like the manga while still noting its not perfect. The WebComic has its own pacing and writing issues when it comes to massive text dumps for example.

nothing is ever perfect but alot of these "issues" rely on wc ideals. i mean the wc massive text dumps are simply due to ONE not being the best artist.

Edit: the only issues i find with the manga rn is filler, filler chapters and filler moments which effects tone, mood and, build up, and some of the redraws.

 

[Magmag]

You really want me to air out the smoke?

yes lol

 

[CosmicWreck]

Lets not dog pile TGS for not liking the manga. You can disagree with their opinions without resorting to personal attacks or just ripping into them.

That's not really what they're arguing. The main issues I've seen is mostly just

• Extreme amounts of bloat or redundant material (Sage Centipede and Melted FU for example)

Melted FU, sure. I don't really understand the point of him.

Sage Centipede, no. Of all the centipedes he was the least redundant since he was clearly there as foreshadowing about god and how Saitama, as well as Garou, will relate to it as seen by the theme opposing "fists" that has basically been a staple for the last couple chapters.

• The manga elbow dropping the reader with statements that Garou's actually a good person

...they literally never say that. Saitama saw him kill Genos and still admitted Garou still has better heroic tendencies than him. WC readers just seem to hate the idea that maybe the characters involved are a little more complicated than the simple labels of good or evil which shouldn't be surprising. WC Garou had a similar conversation with Saitama, on the nature of good and evil.

• The mind control and time travel aspect just generally ruining stakes since almost no story does them well

As the franchise's first god level threat it would make sense that One and Murata feel like time travel is a pertinent option especially considering Garou must have destroyed the environment and killed tons of people.

• Multiple extreme redraws that change the plot heavily and result in even more redraws

I prefer that to hiatuses that last for years to be honest and they're less issues if they continue to better previous events or pull the story into interesting directions.

I've never really seen anyone complain about Tornado being slightly nicer or Garou murdering people, the issue is that they tried to keep the twist from the WebComic but weren't subtle about it.

Er, no. WC readers are very outspoken about the fact that the manga not following the WC story-line exactly annoys them so I have no idea which comment this is based off of. The recent chapters have almost nothing in common with what little I've seen of the WC.

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

C

i agree with the amai one but i feel like his eye being peirced was needed.

can you link the redraws of amai? Kinda haven't seen it

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The Golden Smurf sucks not because he dislikes the Manga, it's because he looks down on anyone that does, spends copious amount of time fighting people who do on Reddit, Twitter, Discord and 4chan, to the detriment of his work ethic, to the point where for the last two months he's only drawn 13 pages of his Webcomic Ramia-Yana, which he wants to one day get published, instead the majority of his art in this period has been redrawns of OPM Webcomic pages and panels, all so he could post them on Reddit and claim he's better than Murata.

 

[IRizz21]

I hope it doesn't change much, but I want Saitama to use his speed for time travel , this will make the craziest feats ever in opm

 

[CosmicWreck]

The complaint, in my view, stems from an incorrect diagnosis of the issue.

What I mean is that people are complaining about time travel when they should complain about the plot making time travel needed. If Garou didn't emit super cancer the plot overall wouldn't change but they could still keep everyone alive. No time travel would be needed. By making Garou kill everyone they basically forced themselves into a time travel plot or a story where the bulk of the cast is now dead.

Oh yeah, sure. I do agree that they wrote themselves into a corner with that one. Hopefully the next god level threats are handled in more careful and innovative ways.

 

[Magmag]

C

can you link the redraws of amai? Kinda haven't seen it

idk where to find them besides the current amai chapter, sorry. the best place would be asking someone on reddit.

 

[Dienomite22]

...they literally never say that.

Are you saying the repeated statements from heroes, non-heroes, Garou's actions pre-cosmic, Saitama gaslighting him to be a hero, and monster Garou suddenly accidentally saving people out of nowhere through some bs luck aren't examples of ONE and Murata hammering the idea of Garou being a good guy into our heads?

 

[Swerzye29038]

Wait for the next chapter before giving out abilities based on a singular and vague ass occurrence. ByAsura suggested it earlier and yet nobody listened.

Lol, I don't think you know what "vague" means. Nothing shown in this chapter is vague in any sense, most of it is pretty straight forward

 

[Qawsedf234]

Of all the centipedes he was the least redundant since he was clearly there as foreshadowing about god

Foreshadowing isn't when something happens a couple chapters later. That's just setup. Though I guess that's more personal feeling than anything.

...they literally never say that.

That was a bulk complain I saw regarding Garou. It really flared up when him and Metal Bat teamed up and you had random people like Suiryu say that Garou was didn't have any evil radiating from him or whatever.

Garou still has better heroic tendencies than him.

Yeah, that's the problem people have. Its even more statements saying Garou is good person.

WC Garou had a similar conversation with Saitama, on the nature of good and evil.

WebComic Garou had a rant that Saitama was not an actual hero because he didn't possess any traits of what a hero should be, which is when the twist happened and it was shown that Garou himself had an ideal version of a hero. Its not like, ground breaking but it also wasn't in your face about it through twenty chapters.

As the franchise's first god level threat it would make sense that One and Murata feel like time travel is a pertinent option especially considering Garou must have destroyed the environment and killed tons of people.

I'll just repost what I said earlier

What I mean is that people are complaining about time travel when they should complain about the plot making time travel needed. If Garou didn't emit super cancer the plot overall wouldn't change but they could still keep everyone alive. No time travel would be needed. By making Garou kill everyone they basically forced themselves into a time travel plot or a story where the bulk of the cast is now dead.

Time travel just is never handled very well since it wasn't handled well in OPM either. There's ways to finish the plot without killing everyone off and still bringing Genos back that doesn't involve time travel.

As a note when Saitama did go back in time to Chapter 163, after he and Garou had ****** up the Earth in the first place.

I prefer that to hiatuses that last for years to be honest and they're less issues if they continue to better previous events or pull the story into interesting directions.

I can respect that personal opinion, but stuff like Phoenix Man shouldn't have been redrawn like four times with radically different outcomes every time.

WC readers are very outspoken about the fact that the manga not following the WC story-line

Yeah, I've seen those complaints. Guess I should've specified that I was talking about substance complaints rather than just "Well its different so its bad" complaints that some people have.

 

[LordGinSama]

Lol, I don't think you know what "vague" means. Nothing shown in this chapter is vague in any sense, most of it is pretty straight forward

Feel free to show me what "pretty straightforward." means then.


Oh wait you can't since it was barely explained. It's called having patience and not taking every single opportunity you get for an unjustified upgrade. Your ulterior motives are showing.

 

[Dienomite22]

I'm still wondering why the Blastvengers weren't protecting Earth when Garou and Saitama made it back to Earth after Blast heard Garou speak about wanting to be a symbol of fear and watch how humans fear him.