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6-C Tournament: "Journey Through The Ride of Mystery and Supernatural Power" Loser Round 1 - Match 5: Tsunayoshi Sawada vs Kamen Rider Revice

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ALTERNATIVE TITLE: BOND​


The bonds never care about limitation, it would be there even in a unexpected situation or persons, and both Tsuna and Ikki has bonded with every peoples they met in their respective journeys
Tsuna, firstly reluctant to be a mafia boss and his cowardly made him weak, however as the time went on he met the peoples that became his friends and trusted allies, believed encouraged each others, thus made him became what he became, the worthy Vongola Boss
Ikki himself has a unique relationship, he has a inner demon named Vice, at first they weren't in good relationship due of Vice nature as demon, however time passed on and they were forced to believe and trusted each others and by that time, they realized how much important their bonds are, together they are fight as one-in-two Riders alongside his family and friends to stop the mysterious entity to caused an extinction to the world

Now they are here, banished to the loser round of island annihilator tournament with respective result of their previous fight, Ikki and Vice tied with Sion and after the coinflip Sion advanced to the next round...not without Ikki and Vice courage, meanwhile Tsuna got here by overwhelmed by a girl from a magus family who has inherit the power of servant and because of that, Tsuna accepted his defeat at her hand
Right here, they met and would going to fight, however even in this fight they feel no intention to kill and murder, they feel that they might have fun here and develop a relationship between them in the battlefield
A Invitation to became a friend....via their fist, ah...harmony!

  • Ultimate Dying Will Tsuna and Giff Revival Arc Revicd are used
  • Jack Revice are restricted
  • Speed are equalized
  • Both are in-characters
  • Place located in: Shibuya Station
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  • Starting Range: 10 Meters
  • Win via anything!!
  • The 10th Vongola Mafia Boss: 5 (Author, Yung, XDragnoir, Pikaman, Tetsuya)
  • One-In-Two Riders: 9 (Dellinger, Nice, Ixa, Lonkitt, Myself, Noneless, Divini, Magi, Glaceon)
  • Inconclusive: 0

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  • BATTLE THEME 1: JAEGER​


  • BATTLE THEME 2: VOLTANIC BLACK KNIGHT

  • INTERMEZZO THEME: HYPER REALITY SHOW

  • CLIMAX TJEME 1: READY STEADY GO!

  • CLIMAX THEME 2: DEGENERATION
 
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Tired_Author_21 said:
This isn't Hyper Intuition anymore

It's Ultimate Intuition.

Also that's false equivalence since Revice isn't a robot.

Edit: He can't sense what the AI will tell Revice to do next -- but he can most certainly know what Revice himself will do next, because he is not a robot.
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Revice is armor is equipped with Ai tech. He is able to reading through Revi and Vice but not the decisions the AI is making. Also, he won't be able to predict the summons which are AI.
 
IxaSaga2 said:
Revice is armor is equipped with Ai tech. He is able to reading through Revi and Vice but not the decisions the AI is making. Also, he won't be able to predict the summons which are AI.
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Again... he isn't a robot himself.
Tsuna can still read his muscles and movements.

Edit: Also, petrification is still a viable win-con based on the fact that his AI can't sense, see or has any data of invisible flames.
 
Tired_Author_21 said:
This is import

Again... he isn't a robot himself.

Tsuna can still read his muscles and movements.
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Okay but Revice's summons are the main threat here. I'll stop it here to avoid going back a forth.

Anyways, how does Tsuna deal with Extreme Temperatures? I don't see any res to that.
 
IxaSaga2 said:
Okay but Revice's summons are the main threat here. I'll stop it here to avoid going back a forth.

Anyways, how does Tsuna deal with Extreme Temperatures? I don't see any res to that.
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Depends what's causing it.

Edit: It depends here, because if it's an attack from Revice then it's getting power-nulled via Rugitto di Cielo. And whatever is behind him is also getting power-nulled/petrified.

Edit2: By the way, hyper intuition in this case still has danger-sense -- which still works against Revice because the Hyper Intuition's Danger Sense and it's movement reading are separate.
 
Tired_Author_21 said:
Right...
How does it work? Does it need to be activated? Is it a passive ability that occurs the moment the stamp happens?
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Sometimes seen at the beginning of the fight, sometimes seen in the end when they do their finisher.

Edit: The thermal energy is sometimes radiated off them. And sometimes it's passive.
 
IxaSaga2 said:
Sometimes seen at the beginning of the fight by them doing a fistbump, sometimes seen in the end when they do their finisher.
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So it works via activation?



I watched this video, and if speed is equalized then he's getting power-nulled by Rugitto Di Cielo...

Since he starts out as Barrid Red or Volcano Rex, he has to manually activate the Ice thing... unless it's ALWAYS on.

Edit: I do not know if Rugitto di Cielo would power-null the cold or not since it's technically an ability. However through his Ring (And Gloves) Tsuna can actually produce high-density flames capable of burning through several buildings 20x stronger than regular. So though he's not passively resistant to the cold, he can heat himself up using either his stat-amp invisible flames, or just by concentrating his own flames and then using them to shield himself from the cold WHILE shooting Rugitto di Cielo.


Edit2: In Ultimate Intuition Tsuna is actually surrounded by Flames also, he could just amp those as well.
 
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Tired_Author_21 said:
So it works via activation?



I watched this video, and if speed is equalized then he's getting power-nulled by Rugitto Di Cielo...

Since he starts out as Barrid Red or Volcano Rex, he has to manually activate the Ice thing... unless it's ALWAYS on.
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Watching introduction vids may not be the best. Many videos have been taken down by Toei. They are slowed down on purpose for dramatic effect. Later epsidoes, everything they do happens a lot faster. For example, form changes are reduced to flashes of light and a screen cut.

Edit: In his first fight, he also created a cloud that made the whole battlefield freeze.

Many times, they can cover themselves with the thermal energy and radiate them without activating anything. If I recall, his power null is only from his mantle, I struggle to see how Tsuna keeps on power nulling. Can you provide a scan of Tsuna nullifying everything thorn at him?
 
IxaSaga2 said:
Watching introduction vids may not be the best. Many videos have been taken down by Toei. They are slowed down on purpose for dramatic effect. Later epsidoes, everything they do happens a lot faster. For example, form changes are reduced to flashes of light and a screen cut.

Edit: In his first fight, he also created a cloud that made the whole battlefield freeze.

Many times, they can cover themselves with the thermal energy and radiate them without activating anything. If I recall, his power null is only from his mantle, I struggle to see how Tsuna keeps on power nulling. Can you provide a scan of Tsuna nullifying everything thorn at him?
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It's not... I've explained this already... and I've actually shown this scan as well.

Tsuna's Power null comes from his Flames' Harmony atribute which he uses through Natsu.

He can petrify things from a range, thus power-nulling them from a range.

Rugitto di Cielo Petrifying two enormous Elephants quite far from one another and their owner behind them. The blue barrier is a barrier made of Dense rain flames which carry the tranquilization factor which is also power-nulling btw, so shields aren't going to be doing much here. And any powers/abilities are getting power-nulled along the way thanks to the Harmony factor(as shown in the gif.)

Edit: The elephants which again have a barrier of rain flames around them.

This is Reborn Explaining what happened to the Grid.

Here is the actual grid

This is Tsuna using his power-null via his Mantella di Primo
 
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Anyway -- it's getting late for me so any points after this, I will only be able to check it afterwards(tomorrow morning for me)

Edit: Tsuna's Far-away win-con remains and is still quite likely to happen.


Edit2: Tsuna can control the petrification(chose what to petrify) and can un-petrify different places -- this is possible because it's shown that Xanxus' box weapon actually stops the petrification before it's complete(More like it's stopped after the box gets damaged). So it's possible for Tsuna to petrify a specific place of Revice's body. If you disagree with this, there's still the argument that Rugitto di Cieli can be invisible which would mean that Revice can't see or sense them. Since his precog works via AI and the AI has no method of seeing/sensing the flames(if they are invisible flames they actually don't produce heat), hence why the only thing that burnt Tsuna's clothes were his hard flames the first time he tried to do X-burner(only the hard flame side showed burns). So he could just petrify it from afar without Revice ever noticing.

Tsuna has never, not once shown mercy to non-human combatants, so Vice is 100% getting petrified here if he gets in the way(Ghost, Mosca, Box Weapons)

Going to sleep, see you tomorrow.
 
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Tired_Author_21 said:
It's not... I've explained this already... and I've actually shown this scan as well.

Tsuna's Power null comes from his Flames' Harmony atribute which he uses through Natsu.

He can petrify things from a range, thus power-nulling them from a range.

Rugitto di Cielo Petrifying two enormous Elephants quite far from one another and their owner behind them. The blue barrier is a barrier made of Dense rain flames which carry the tranquilization factor which is also power-nulling btw, so shields aren't going to be doing much here. And any powers/abilities are getting power-nulled along the way thanks to the Harmony factor(as shown in the gif.)

Edit: The elephants which again have a barrier of rain flames around them.

This is a giant Grid Tuna turns to stone which is completely surrounding him.

This is Tsuna using his power-null via his Mantilla di Primo
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I'm confused on how that is going to nullify temperature which was my intention for asking for them.

Many of KR's power null battles also is resulted by AP. The stronger the person is, the better the power null is going to work. That's how many ranged battles are decided. Since both their attacks have NPI, their beams are mostly likely gonna clash. If Revice is ~10x stronger than Tsuna, there's no way all their abilities are just going to be nulled that easily or without consequence. Especially if both has power null.

Anyways, it is a one hitter for both sides and I don't think Tsuna's attacks will ever be able to power struggle against Revice's attacks.
 
You know what? I think i'm going with Revice based from what the supporters and myself has presented so far
So yeah, voting them
 
Since the speed is equalized, there wouldn't be any relevant blitz arguments for either side. I would vote for Tsuna because I personally scale him to universal due to his Big Bang feat. Even then, Tsuna should still be able to bypass durability with his petrification and energy nulling ice. His ultimate intuition should also give him an edge in combat as well.
 
Okay........, Revice FRA
Tetsuya1029 said:
Since the speed is equalized, there wouldn't be any relevant blitz arguments for either side. I would vote for Tsuna because I personally scale him to universal due to his Big Bang feat. Even then, Tsuna should still be able to bypass durability with his petrification and energy nulling ice. His ultimate intuition should also give him an edge in combat as well.
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On what basis? Scan please because i read KNH before and i don't remember
 
We should finished voting rn, I wouldn't want to keep the tourney from moving on and the arguments are pretty much going to be the same.
 
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I'm just gonna correct some things, even though it's probably over already.

Lol, no arguments were made to refute petrification either on Mantella di Primo or Rugitto di Cieli.

Both sides have instant win conditions. With Tsuna's basically countering close combat for Revice.

IxaSaga2 said:
I'm confused on how that is going to nullify temperature which was my intention for asking for them.
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It's not relevant because as stated before Rugitto di Cielo is instant and only requires Natsu to open his mouth not to mention it can be invisible. I also answered this, via augmenting his own flames.

Tsuna is legitimately covered by soft flames in ultimate intuition, he can harden them to increase their temperature.

IxaSaga2 said:
Many of KR's power null battles also is resulted by AP. The stronger the person is, the better the power null is going to work. That's how many ranged battles are decided. Since both their attacks have NPI, their beams are mostly likely gonna clash. If Revice is ~10x stronger than Tsuna, there's no way all their abilities are just going to be nulled that easily or without consequence. Especially if both has power null.
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Also, this is blatantly false lol. It's resolved by whose power-null is stronger and whose flames are purer. Both of which Revice can't compete with.

Revice doesn't even have power null resistance. There is nothing he can do against Rugitto di Cieli if Tsuna decides to make it an invisible flame. He is literally incapable of sensing them or seeing them.

For example Tsuna v.s Xanxus. Xanxus had more powerful Flames, but by focusing his flames on one point, and making them more pure there Tsuna was able to overcome Xanxus'.
Your argument is legitimately full of misinformation on both Tsuna's petrification, how his flames and their power null work.

IxaSaga2 said:
Anyways, it is a one hitter for both sides and I don't think Tsuna's attacks will ever be able to power struggle against Revice's attacks.
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It's also a one-hitter for Tsuna though lol.
And Tsuna's attacks are irrelevant, his petrification is an insitant win and his Mantella di Cielo not only nullifies damage it also petrifies the opponent lol.
 
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We should finished voting rn, I wouldn't want to keep the tourney from moving on and the arguments are pretty much going to be the same.
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Also, kinda weird you're saying clairevoyance and danger sense are completely useless when you haven't even presented how many layers Revice has of precognition.

I would ask for a revote since your arguments are full of none-sense rules of KHR which seem to have been made up. But I don't know the rules of this website and don't know how it would work

edit: funilly enough if Tsuna gets close and uses his soft flame Rugitto di Cieli there is nothing Revice can even do to dodge. Thanks to the scan I showed which demonstrated Rugitto di Cieli peteifying the cage or box weapons Tsuna found himself on.
 
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I afraid i can't do the revote, we're been here for so long so we need to finish the remain of matches so we can move to the round 3 and loser round 2
 
Veloxt1r0kore said:
I afraid i can't do the revote, we're been here for so long so we need to finish the remain of matches so we can move to the round 3 and loser round 2
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Rip.

He legit put a "power null is resolved by AP in KHR"

That's the biggest lie I've heard.

Not to mention he failed to mention any counters for Tsuna's win conditions, which are so solid and likely to happen.

Legitimately feel like he didn't see the scans I showed either.

Feeling kinda disspointerd in myself ngl
 
Jamesthetaker said:
You can make a rematch once this over, if you wanted.
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There's no point.

All my arguments were done from the begining of this. No one countered any of them, ignored most of them.

Doubt a second round would go any differently.

"Insanity is repeating the same thing and expecting the same outcome" -- Albert Einstein
 
Tired_Author_21 said:
There's no point.

All my arguments were done from the begining of this. No one countered any of them, ignored most of them.

Doubt a second round would go any differently.

"Insanity is repeating the same thing and expecting the same outcome" -- Albert Einstein
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Don't feel too bad man. At least you don't go down without a fight.

This is probably the closest to a stomped match for Revice.
 
Bruh. All I said was that both of them have ranged attacks with power null (one petrifies, the other freezes) and NPI. One with the petrification and the other is an ice blast. Naturally, the person with higher AP is going to win out on that.

There were also my AP, speed, LS, summons, res to precog via summons, temperature manip points which are also win-cons. Yes, the petrification can win Tsuna the match, but with how overloaded Revice's kit is, two or three things isn't going to save him from so many other advantages.
 
Tired_Author_21 said:
Ik

That was my main argument the whole time.

The match is over though, so nothing we can do about it.
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Well, there's still a grace period.

What even are the arguments for Revice? Higher AP? Not sure how that prevents his weapons from turning to stone, considering he has no resistance.
 
IxaSaga2 said:
Bruh. All I said was that both of them have ranged attacks with power null (one petrifies, the other freezes) and NPI. One with the petrification and the other is an ice blast. Naturally, the person with higher AP is going to win out on that.

There were also my AP, speed, LS, summons, res to precog via summons, temperature manip points which are also win-cons. Yes, the petrification can win Tsuna the match, but with how overloaded Revice's kit is, two or three things isn't going to save him from so many other advantages.
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Wrong...

Flames ACT like flames, they are energy made of dense life force.
They wouldn't interact with the ice like a Beam struggle in dragon ball. If it's a blast of ice then it's getting petrified... like the box weapon was (Elephants' rain flames being negged)-- which you would've known had you seen the scans I showed. That wording is bad for Revice, it means that his ice blast is completely negged by the harmonization factor.
 
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