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6-C Tournament: "Journey Through The Ride of Mystery and Supernatural Power" Loser Round 1 - Match 5: Tsunayoshi Sawada vs Kamen Rider Revice

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ALTERNATIVE TITLE: BOND​


The bonds never care about limitation, it would be there even in a unexpected situation or persons, and both Tsuna and Ikki has bonded with every peoples they met in their respective journeys
Tsuna, firstly reluctant to be a mafia boss and his cowardly made him weak, however as the time went on he met the peoples that became his friends and trusted allies, believed encouraged each others, thus made him became what he became, the worthy Vongola Boss
Ikki himself has a unique relationship, he has a inner demon named Vice, at first they weren't in good relationship due of Vice nature as demon, however time passed on and they were forced to believe and trusted each others and by that time, they realized how much important their bonds are, together they are fight as one-in-two Riders alongside his family and friends to stop the mysterious entity to caused an extinction to the world

Now they are here, banished to the loser round of island annihilator tournament with respective result of their previous fight, Ikki and Vice tied with Sion and after the coinflip Sion advanced to the next round...not without Ikki and Vice courage, meanwhile Tsuna got here by overwhelmed by a girl from a magus family who has inherit the power of servant and because of that, Tsuna accepted his defeat at her hand
Right here, they met and would going to fight, however even in this fight they feel no intention to kill and murder, they feel that they might have fun here and develop a relationship between them in the battlefield
A Invitation to became a friend....via their fist, ah...harmony!

  • Ultimate Dying Will Tsuna and Giff Revival Arc Revicd are used
  • Jack Revice are restricted
  • Speed are equalized
  • Both are in-characters
  • Place located in: Shibuya Station
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  • Starting Range: 10 Meters
  • Win via anything!!
  • The 10th Vongola Mafia Boss: 5 (Author, Yung, XDragnoir, Pikaman, Tetsuya)
  • One-In-Two Riders: 9 (Dellinger, Nice, Ixa, Lonkitt, Myself, Noneless, Divini, Magi, Glaceon)
  • Inconclusive: 0

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  • BATTLE THEME 1: JAEGER​


  • BATTLE THEME 2: VOLTANIC BLACK KNIGHT

  • INTERMEZZO THEME: HYPER REALITY SHOW

  • CLIMAX TJEME 1: READY STEADY GO!

  • CLIMAX THEME 2: DEGENERATION
 
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Since this is basically Tsuna strongest mode, both Ikki and Vice are going to use Barrid Rex and Volcano Rex off-the bat
 
I actually looked into a bit on Revice.

There's actually quite a bit Tsuna has here which would counter Revice.

Here's a short list I made:

  • Petrification, Weapons/ equipment will become useless.(Revice Has to use his stamps to change modes, Tsuna's Intuition would tell him they are dangerous and thus use Nats to seal them with petrification).
  • Zero Point Breakthrough Revised → Increase his stats every time Revice uses an energy-based attack(Which he will have to use as Tsuna can fight from long range, sensing his opponent is dangerous up close.) ZPB Revised actually increases Tsuna's energy as noted by Reborn that he's filling the gap of his energy(unperfected) and that he can actually turn enemy energy into his own(perfected revised) to amp his power.
  • Ultimate Intuition → Dodge most attacks(Reacts and allows for counter of Instant movement), no Mind-Control or Possession.
  • Tsuna can interact with Non-Physical objects like Daemon’s Soul so intangibility is out of the question.
  • If Revice gets close and Tsuna uses his Vongola Mantella di Primo that nullifies Revice's Damage and could turn him to stone.
  • If Tsuna gets close enough he can use Zero Point Breakthrough First Edition

Revice has no resistance to Petrification, Power Nullification, Sealing or Absorption, so he's in for a surprise against Tsuna.
 
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Remember that though Tsuna's Reluctant to kill he has gone for the instinct of killing before, the most note-worthy example being Byakuran in the Future Arc

Edit: This is if he feels there's no other choice of course.
 
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Vice's abilities in incorporeal form like Intangibility, Possession, Mind Reading isn't applicable in Rider form.
 
Tired_Author_21 said:
Petrification, Weapons/ equipment will become useless.(Revice Has to use his stamps to change modes, Tsuna's Intuition would tell him they are dangerous and thus use Nats to seal them with petrification).
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Need to be in melee to do that, and unless he can do that from range and know about his Stamps, he's not getting it.


Tired_Author_21 said:
Zero Point Breakthrough Revised → Increase his stats every time Revice uses an energy-based attack(Which he will have to use as Tsuna can fight from long range, sensing his opponent is dangerous up close.) ZPB Revised actually increases Tsuna's energy as noted by Reborn that he's filling the gap of his energy(unperfected) and that he can actually turn enemy energy into his own(perfected revised) to amp his power.
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Dying Will Flame is decidedly an entirely different power system than devil genes. One can basically be awaken through refined life energy from anyone while Revice power came from the driver itself, which power by devil genes, and other weapons straight up can be used as simply high tech stuff which decidedly can't be equalized to Dying Will Flame.

Tired_Author_21 said:
Ultimate Intuition → Dodge most attacks(Reacts and allows for counter of Instant movement), no Mind-Control or Possession.
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Revice have precog from both side if we're talking Volcano Rex as well.

Let's begin with the obvious, Tsuna try to burn him then what happened is Vice grabbing his flame and used it as a sword. Both Revi and Vice resist his fire too, hell it'll straight up amp Revi even further due to heat generated from it.

Attempt at approaching him result in Tsuna being exposed to being froze in a chunk of ice which cannot be broken off due to massive LS, or burn to death by Volcano Rex. His power null only came from his mantel which good luck to that when he would get froze/magma as soon as he get close.

And if Tsuna decide to choose the wrong person to seal, decidedly Vice, then that won't do anything since Revi can just force Vice back into his belt and reset the situation.

Vice can summoned all 10 Remix, 3 of them have speed amp or mixed 3 of them together. Any combination with the speed amp Remix will result in Tsuna getting blitz himself.

If petrification and his sealing doesn't work instantly then it's likely that he won't be able to finished in time because he's not fighting 1 v 1, he's 2 v 1 here. And even if he managed to catch one of them off guard with his hax, the other will still lingers, either he have to deal with a very serious Revi who will just aoe burn around him or Vice who's more than likely to used Barid Stamp Fevers ganging Tsuna with all 10 Remixes.
 
Nicetoderp said:
Need to be in melee to do that, and unless he can do that from range and know about his Stamps, he's not getting it.
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Tsuna can do it from a range, Ruggitto di Cielo allows him to do it -- and Tsuna's Precognition has a lot of feats which would allow him to sense it's danger.

Nicetoderp said:
Dying Will Flame is decidedly an entirely different power system than devil genes. One can basically be awaken through refined life energy from anyone while Revice power came from the driver itself, which power by devil genes, and other weapons straight up can be used as simply high tech stuff which decidedly can't be equalized to Dying Will Flame.
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Welp, ZPB revised can't be used then.



Nicetoderp said:
Revice have precog from both side if we're talking Volcano Rex as well.
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Depends on how many Layers Revice has. Tsuna's Ultimate Intuition should scale above his regular Hyper Intuition which allowed him to see through Mukuro's Illusions, so it should be quite layered. It allowed him to sense Mukuro possessing Chrome when a Psychic wasn't able to sense it, gaze into Mukuro's Memories in the Varia arc when he was fighting Viper and in the Future arc it allowed him to get into Chrome's Dream and see the device he needed to destroy to get back to the past.

Edit: this future feat was before Tsuna even knew of this device/

Nicetoderp said:
Let's begin with the obvious, Tsuna try to burn him then what happened is Vice grabbing his flame and used it as a sword. Both Revi and Vice resist his fire too, hell it'll straight up amp Revi even further due to heat generated from it.
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Tsuna can opt to not use his flames via precognition.


Nicetoderp said:
Attempt at approaching him result in Tsuna being exposed to being froze in a chunk of ice which cannot be broken off due to massive LS, or burn to death by Volcano Rex. His power null only came from his mantel which good luck to that when he would get froze/magma as soon as he get close.
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This also Depends on Layering, if Revice tries to freeze Tsuna while Tsuna has Mantella di Primo then it comes to which is more layered than which.

Also from what I recall every time Revice uses a new mode he actually has to use his stamp, and if his stamp is sealed he only has his standard mode, or Rex mode in this case.

Nicetoderp said:
And if Tsuna decide to choose the wrong person to seal, decidedly Vice, then that won't do anything since Revi can just force Vice back into his belt and reset the situation.
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Tsuna's sealing will seal all of Vice's abilities, and like I stated, Tsuna can interact with non-physical beings so it's 100% likely if he seals Vice he's not getting out of the Ice.

Edit: (Like I mentioned Daemon's Soul, but there's also Ghost who is completely made of Flames)

Nicetoderp said:
Vice can summoned all 10 Remix, 3 of them have speed amp or mixed 3 of them together. Any combination with the speed amp Remix will result in Tsuna getting blitz himself.
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Tsuna can also amplify his own speed with Soft flames/Hard flames on his Vongola Gear -- Good luck blitzing Tsuna who can react and attack Short Warp.
 
Tired_Author_21 said:
Tsuna can do it from a range, Ruggitto di Cielo allows him to do it -- and Tsuna's Precognition has a lot of feats which would allow him to sense it's danger.
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Then he need to reach it, which Revice put them in somewhere, and that imply the little thing won't pop/freeze/burn by approaching the duo. Then he need to petrified 3 of the one that can blitz him, 2 other than will beat Tsuna from sheer AP and summons. The latter they will most likely open with.

Tired_Author_21 said:
Depends on how many Layers Revice has. Tsuna's Ultimate Intuition should scale above his regular Hyper Intuition which allowed him to see through Mukuro's Illusions, so it should be quite layered. It allowed him to sense Mukuro possessing Chrome when a Psychic wasn't able to sense it, gaze into Mukuro's Memories in the Varia arc when he was fighting Viper and in the Future arc it allowed him to get into Chrome's Dream and see the device he needed to destroy to get back to the past.
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Good feats, but that's used for figuring out illusions. How many times have Tsuna himself have also fought against peeps who also have precog and getting tag at the same time.

Tired_Author_21 said:
This also Depends on Layering, if Revice tries to freeze Tsuna while Tsuna has Mantella di Primo then it comes to which is more layered than which.

Also from what I recall every time Revice uses a new mode he actually has to use his stamp, and if his stamp is sealed he only has his standard mode, or Rex mode in this case.
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Yes, but since Tsuna is going nuts first both of them won't hesitate to goes into their strongest form. Which Revice can switch into nigh instantly, seamless enough to combos into one another even.


Tired_Author_21 said:
Tsuna's sealing will seal all of Vice's abilities, and like I stated, Tsuna can interact with non-physical beings so it's 100% likely if he seals Vice he's not getting out of the Ice.
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That's not the point. If Tsuna sealed Vice then it will be Revi who's unsealed Vice by basically return him back to his original state/pokeball via how the driver work as basically a magical leash to return his inner demon.

Tired_Author_21 said:
Tsuna can also amplify his own speed with Soft flames/Hard flames on his Vongola Gear -- Good luck blitzing Tsuna who can react and attack Short Warp.
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Has his speed blitz someone? Ptera have 50x speed amp, and all of Revice blitz FTL people just fine.
 
Nicetoderp said:
Then he need to reach it, which Revice put them in somewhere, and that imply the little thing won't pop/freeze/burn by approaching the duo. Then he need to petrified 3 of the one that can blitz him, 2 other than will beat Tsuna from sheer AP and summons. The latter they will most likely open with.
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Like I stated before, he doesn't need to reach it, Nats can petrify things from afar just fine.

Nicetoderp said:
Good feats, but that's used for figuring out illusions. How many times have Tsuna himself have also fought against peeps who also have precog and getting tag at the same time.
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He actually fights with people with precog all the time... it's one of the reasons why his precog doesn't work sometimes. Like Xanxus whose intuition at Varia arc is almost comparable to Tsuna's.

Nicetoderp said:
Yes, but since Tsuna is going nuts first both of them won't hesitate to goes into their strongest form. Which Revice can switch into nigh instantly, seamless enough to combos into one another even.
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Again, if his stamps are sealed he can't change forms.

Nicetoderp said:
That's not the point. If Tsuna sealed Vice then it will be Revi who's unsealed Vice by basically return him back to his original state/pokeball via how the driver work as basically a magical leash to return his inner demon.
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Yea, that won't work Dying Will Ice will seal all his abilities, including the ability to return to the seal, and since energies can't be equalized Revi simply cannot unseal him.

Nicetoderp said:
Has his speed blitz someone? Ptera have 50x speed amp, and all of Revice blitz FTL people just fine.
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Tsuna reacts to contineous attacks from Short Warp casually which are instantaneous and managed to react to FTL attack from Bermuda with ease as well.

Edit: Bermuda's attack is only as fast as light -- my bad, misread on my part.
 
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Also, the fact Tsuna can fight people which are capable of tricking his precognition means it's quite layered against other precognition users as well.

Here's some precognition scans:

#1 Tsuna senses Mukuro coming even though no one else, not even Viper(a Psychic) or Reborn(The person with the strongest instinct in the current group) managed to sense.

Edit: The dream one is inferred to be Mukuro giving Tsuna the answer -- however due to a similar feat being acomplished much earlier it's possile to have been Tsuna's Hyper Intuition.

#2.1 Here's the Varia Arc one, where he saw a vision on Mukuro's state.

#2.2 Here's a part 2 of that

#3 Tsuna learning how to strike nerves to knock people out intuitively without being taught

#4.1 Tsuna reacting to Short warp once

#4.2 Tsuna Reacting to Short Warp consecutively


Edit: The Description of Short Warp:
  • Short Warp: Bermuda can use teleportation abilities to instantly warp short distances. This technique is used to move behind enemies or dodge their attacks. This can also be used to warp a portion of the user's body (i.e. hands or feet) allowing them to attack from different directions or hit a target outside his attack range.
 
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I think Tsuna's win-con is this:

Tsuna seals Stamps from Revice at the start of the fight using Ruggitto di Cielo. Tsuna is forced to come at close range fighting since he can't absorb enemy blasts from afar so he comes in closer. Due to Ultimate Intuition Tsuna can predict and dodge Revice Attacks. if Revi or Vice try to get a hit in, Tsuna uses Mantella di primo and nullifies the damage and then uses the cape to diminish the visibility of the two before using ZPB FE on Revi, since it would seal his abilities Vice would most likely disappear as well as they are connected and Vice is dependent on Revi to transform.

Note: This is actually quite likely thanks to Ultimate Intuition.
 
Nicetoderp said:
If petrification and his sealing doesn't work instantly then it's likely that he won't be able to finished in time because he's not fighting 1 v 1, he's 2 v 1 here. And even if he managed to catch one of them off guard with his hax, the other will still lingers, either he have to deal with a very serious Revi who will just aoe burn around him or Vice who's more than likely to used Barid Stamp Fevers ganging Tsuna with all 10 Remixes.
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Because I forgot to mention this, but his freezing actually happens pretty instantly, here's Tsuna activating it several arcs before the version used now freezing part of the canal instantly.

And it freezes unnaturally -- which means it won't just freeze at the point of contact, but will freeze all around the body as well.

Edit: He doesn't freeze the entire canal, just the part with Moscas in them.
 
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Also, what is vice? Is he a soul?

If so there's the chance Tsuna can absorb him like he did to ghost. I mean, if he's made of some kind of life-force related supernatural energy.
 
If Tsuna is able to petrify equipments then this is a really bad mismatch. Ikki and Vice won't be able to transform at all without Revice Driver and they would be back in civilian form automatically if that happens.
 
IxaSaga2 said:
If Tsuna is able to petrify equipments then this is a really bad mismatch. Ikki and Vice won't be able to transform at all without Revice Driver and they would be back in civilian form automatically if that happens.
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Well yea, that's the main gimmick of the Sky Flames, they petrify things and power-null them.
 
Tired_Author_21 said:
Well yea, that's the main gimmick of the Sky Flames, they petrify things and power-null them.
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Then yea, Revice won't be able to transform at all and will de-transform them back into their 10-A form. So this is a stomp.

Edit: less of a stomp, more of a mismatch
 
Transforming back to their civilian is counted as incap tbh, also it's not like the Sky Flame are undodgeable or anything
 
And Revice still had many things in his arsenal so i fail to see this as a mismatch
I'm waiting what Nice want to say here
 
Well he had Ptera and Eagle Remix to help him out to avoided the blast
EDIT: Jackal isn't included since from this arc that Genome became Live personal form
 
Veloxt1r0kore said:
And Revice still had many things in his arsenal so i fail to see this as a mismatch
I'm waiting what Nice want to say here
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If they get sealed at the start they become useless -- not to mention there's an argument to be made for flames being invisible to regular people in the KHR universe as no one actually notices Tsuna's flames(the one on top of his head) until they awaken their own. Since energies aren't equalized Kamen Rider shouldn't be able to see Tsuna's soft flames or Lione Di Cielo's Rugitto di Cielo, which is hard to see any way.
 
But if this is truly a mismatch then this is such a waste of match tbh, finding the songs and made the summary only to be stopped by a mismatch lel
 
Veloxt1r0kore said:
Well he had Ptera and Eagle Remix to help him out to avoided the blast
EDIT: Jackal isn't included since from this arc that Genome became Live personal form
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I mean to use those he'd have to transform, and Tsuna can just petrify mid-transformation. If they're instant that's fine, but Ikki loses if Tsuna so much as touches him(Zero Point Breakthrough First Edition), if he stands in-front of Tsuna(Rugitto di Cielo) or if he attacks Tsuna(Mantella di Primo).

Edit: Not to mention getting hits in is gonna be hard with Ultimate Intuition
 
Veloxt1r0kore said:
Well he had Ptera and Eagle Remix to help him out to avoided the blast
EDIT: Jackal isn't included since from this arc that Genome became Live personal form
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If Revice starts in Ptera or Eagle, then Revice stomps with speed blitz. A 7x speed amp is going to blitz let alone 50x. Tsuna may have the precognition but speed amp is going to move so fast that Tsuna won't be able to move in time.
 
IxaSaga2 said:
If Revice starts in Ptera or Eagle, then Revice stomps with speed blitz. A 7x speed amp is going to blitz let alone 50x. Tsuna may have the precognition but speed amp is going to move so fast that Tsuna won't be able to move in time.
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Well... he doesn't start in it -- the rules of the match state he starts with Barrid Rex and Volcano Rex off-the bat.
 
If he changes his mode mid-fight before petrification Tsuna can just cover himself in his Mantella di Primo, whoever attacks him will get petrified and their attack is nulled.

Tsuna then can just un-petrify them except for the belt. If they start with it off the bat -- worst case scenario Tsuna's ZPB has been shown to work without his hands before (The fight with Genshiki when the ghosts appear, Tsuna's hands are on only one person's hands yet all of them turn to ice.)

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As for the summoning, it would depend on how fast he can summon them in that case

Edit: If he summons them while Ruggitto di Cielo is in effect they'd just turn to stone too since it's the first thing Tsuna's activating in this battle. In fact if Tsuna senses the summons are too much of a threat he can use his Mantella di Primo, cover himself up and wait for the enemy to attack. Once they do they'll be petrified, and their power, nullified.
 
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IxaSaga2 said:
If Revice starts in Ptera or Eagle, then Revice stomps with speed blitz. A 7x speed amp is going to blitz let alone 50x. Tsuna may have the precognition but speed amp is going to move so fast that Tsuna won't be able to move in time.
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Iirc Tsuna also had speed amp as well, right? Maybe he can keep up with the Genome and Remix of Eagle and Ptera
 
Veloxt1r0kore said:
Iirc Tsuna also had speed amp as well, right? Maybe he can keep up with the Genome and Remix of Eagle and Ptera
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He has amp via hard/soft flames.

Edit: I don't know the number to Tsuna's Amp.

But even if he didn't -- if he felt like he was in extreme danger he can just cover himself in Mantella di Primo and have the enemy be petrified the moment they touch the cape. Petrification can be stopped. In the fight against Xanxus when Liger has attacked the petrification stopped, which means the box weapons can actually control the petrification, thus Tsuna can control the process through Nats -- which in turn means he can just petrify the belt if he wants to.
 
Veloxt1r0kore said:
Iirc Tsuna also had speed amp as well, right? Maybe he can keep up with the Genome and Remix of Eagle and Ptera
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nope, Revice has naturally higher speed than Tsuna.

Tired_Author_21 said:
If he changes his mode mid-fight before petrification Tsuna can just cover himself in his Mantella di Primo, whoever attacks him will get petrified and their attack is nulled.

Tsuna then can just un-petrify them except for the belt. If they start with it off the bat -- worst case scenario Tsuna's ZPB has been shown to work without his hands before (The fight with Genshiki when the ghosts appear, Tsuna's hands are on only one person's hands yet all of them turn to ice.)

#1

#2

As for the summoning, it would depend on how fast he can summon them in that case

Edit: If he summons them while Ruggitto di Cielo is in effect they'd just turn to stone too since it's the first thing Tsuna's activating in this battle. In fact if Tsuna senses the summons are too much of a threat he can use his Mantella di Primo, cover himself up and wait for the enemy to attack. Once they do they'll be petrified, and their power, nullified.
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Wait let me ask something first. How hot and cold is Tsuna's fire and ice?
 
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