stat equal fusion tournament: Charbia vs Chuck

[theultimate5105]

Charizard actually suprisingly does not have any OKO moves (if that is what you are talking about)
He does have moves that bypass Dura but no OKO moves

 

[GoldenScorpions]

Pokemon only 4 OHKO moves, and Charizard can't learn any of them. Slash and Shadow Claw have high critical ratio, so maybe that can count as a form of ignoring durability

 

[speedster352]

Charizard actually suprisingly does not have any OKO moves (if that is what you are talking about)
He does have moves that bypass Dura but no OKO moves

So what are Charizard's win cons?

Pokemon only 4 OHKO moves, and Charizard can't learn any of them. Slash and Shadow Claw have high critical ratio, so maybe that can count as a form of ignoring durability

What are Rubia win cons?

 

[speedster352]

They could use attract since chuck is male so that could work

Charizard actually suprisingly does not have any OKO moves (if that is what you are talking about)
He does have moves that bypass Dura but no OKO moves

 

[Arnoldstone18]

And how would he do that. You do realise the shield needs 8 different attacks to be broken at the very minimum (Dura Neg attacks need 4-8 moves as well, with certain ones outright doing nothing against it). and the heavy damage is literally still far less then what they would normally take. Its not a weakness, hell its less then what they take from a single attack from a equal
Also Max Guard is a thing which would block any of his attacks

So no matter how strong Chuck gets, he will still need 4-8 moves? I don't believe that they should have shield health or something.

Regardless I still think Chuck can hold out and get 4-8 moves in.

Stats are equalized so no trillion absorptions also EOV and FB negate durabity on the profiles. They have the brand of darkness and wop to hax chuck to death which are their new win cons What do you think?

Stats are not equalized for amps

(from "the flames were strong enough to resist absorption" to "the flames resist absorption") is essentially the same thing; the difference being that the flames resisting absorption isn't because of their power, but because of their nature; the difference is subtle but still there so a rewording was in order, however it doesn't change the fact that they resist absorption, the ability wasn't changed.

I still think it's based on the strength of the flames. The novel scans keep referring to the flames as powerful and the strongest, so in the verse it does seem like a kind of hax since no one is strong enough to face it (although I saw someone slashing the flames to save Claire). The flames have never faced a level of absorption as high as Charon's

Finally, just a correction here. This is the second part of the scene. The barrier doesn't actually get destroyed fully, EoV simply allows Claire to open a path through an absorbing barrier, and that's allowing her to keep going is EoV staying active as she keeps moving, and what's keeping EoV active is because it cannot get absorbed by the absorbing barrier.

Yeah, i didn't mean that the barrier was fully destroyed, more like affected. words like "crack open" were used in the first scan. but by passing through the crack, doesn't that mean that it won't get absorbed? I think she is merely just passing through the parts that were destroyed, passing through other parts of the barrier will only damage it more because of the power of the flames so there is honestly no way of knowing if the flames truly just resist being absorbed. Also, she could be struggling because of how she is using a different spell on top of the powerful flames (it seems like she is capable of using two spells at once but due to the power of the flames she couldnt). The flames are just really strong.

In that case, because this is stat-equal, Charbia doesn't have a 240 Petaton attack, so even if Chuck absorbs they are unlikely to ever reach such a level of power in the span of this fight, though?

Yeah I was just trying to prove the limit is high enough to counter spam attacks and stat manipulation from the pokemon.

Guilontine seems to be it.

• Slash: Charizard cuts its opponent apart with its claws.

That's not a one-hit move KO, Charon has even tanked blades with his absorption from Kunro the top 2 - 3 strongest in the verse before the cataclysm.

Pokemon only 4 OHKO moves, and Charizard can't learn any of them. Slash and Shadow Claw have high critical ratio, so maybe that can count as a form of ignoring durability

Possibly because of theyre slash damage. Blades "ignore" some level of durability to a degree.

They could use attract since chuck is male so that could work

A male with supernatural willpower? What would attract do..

 

[speedster352]

So no matter how strong Chuck gets, he will still need 4-8 moves? I don't believe that they should have shield health or something.

Regardless I still think Chuck can hold out and get 4-8 moves in.


Stats are not equalized for amps


I still think it's based on the strength of the flames. The novel scans keep referring to the flames as powerful and the strongest, so in the verse it does seem like a kind of hax since no one is strong enough to face it (although I saw someone slashing the flames to save Claire). The flames have never faced a level of absorption as high as Charon's



Yeah, i didn't mean that the barrier was fully destroyed, more like affected. words like "crack open" were used in the first scan. but by passing through the crack, doesn't that mean that it won't get absorbed? I think she is merely just passing through the parts that were destroyed, passing through other parts of the barrier will only damage it more because of the power of the flames so there is honestly no way of knowing if the flames truly just resist being absorbed. Also, she could be struggling because of how she is using a different spell on top of the powerful flames (it seems like she is capable of using two spells at once but due to the power of the flames she couldnt). The flames are just really strong.


Yeah I was just trying to prove the limit is high enough to counter spam attacks and stat manipulation from the pokemon.

That's not a one-hit move KO, Charon has even tanked blades with his absorption from Kunro the top 2 - 3 strongest in the verse before the cataclysm.


Possibly because of theyre slash damage. Blades "ignore" some level of durability to a degree.


A male with supernatural willpower? What would attract do..

Nope attract will work and the other attacks Charizard can have
For moves that it can learn by other means, see here

 

[Jibz]

No it was simply clear cut as hell, I listed Powernulling moves resisting eachother and powernulling eachother. Give me a single profile with its scaling chain listed (just one would be fine).

searching the moves up online i garnered little to no results. So how would i know what your saying is true? You made a premise, assert it (unless someone else can adhere to its validity)

 

[speedster352]

searching the moves up online i garnered little to no results. So how would i know what your saying is true? You made a premise, assert it (unless someone else can adhere to its validity)

Enough arguments let's just vote there is 3 for charbia and 1 for chuck

 

[speedster352]

Charizard actually suprisingly does not have any OKO moves (if that is what you are talking about)
He does have moves that bypass Dura but no OKO moves

Pokemon only 4 OHKO moves, and Charizard can't learn any of them. Slash and Shadow Claw have high critical ratio, so maybe that can count as a form of ignoring durability

What are the win cons for both characters respectively?

 

[Jibz]

shut up (for trying to force me into voting not asking for wincons)

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Seems like I’ve gotten all of Chuck’s issues out of the way… they should comfortably win this.

 

[speedster352]

Seems like I’ve gotten all of Chuck’s issues out of the way… they should comfortably win this.

No they won't you just recycle agruments

 

[Arnoldstone18]

No they won't you just recycle agruments

You have not presented any new winscon. I’ve taken care of both your Dura neg and can easily exploit dynamax weakness with their shield.

 

[speedster352]

We need some wincons

How is this?? Are they viable win cons?

You have not presented any new winscon. I’ve taken care of both your Dura neg and can easily exploit dynamax weakness with their shield.

We have new win cons nope they have other barriers and haxes to win this

Charizard actually suprisingly does not have any OKO moves (if that is what you are talking about)
He does have moves that bypass Dura but no OKO moves

Pokemon only 4 OHKO moves, and Charizard can't learn any of them. Slash and Shadow Claw have high critical ratio, so maybe that can count as a form of ignoring durability

shut up (for trying to force me into voting not asking for wincons)

Right? We have new win cons and arguements

 

[Jibz]

The messages you show just state that Charizard has no OHKO moves, but moves with a high "critical ratio", though unless criticals are considered a form of statistics amplification here, then thats a moot point.

 

[speedster352]

The messages you show just state that Charizard has no OHKO moves, but moves with a high "critical ratio", though unless criticals are considered a form of statistics amplification here, then thats a moot point.

No it's not it just does more damage and possibly limited durabity negation

 

[Jibz]

possibly limited durabity negation

is this on their profile? If so, then its up to the OP if they want to allow it

 

[Arnoldstone18]

We have new win cons nope they have other barriers and haxes to win this



Right? We have new win cons and arguements

For mind manipulation, 2nd and 3rd Gens have resistance to mind manipulation. Those who have resistance and willpower gain powers while those who don’t become infernals. Charon is 2nd generation. Chuck should be able to resist it. Puck considers shamac mid too.

So what other winscon is there? It seems I’ve countered them all.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

is this on their profile? If so, then its up to the OP if they want to allow it

It’s definitely not limited durability negation

it just a chance attacks would do more damage. Which is just more food for Chuck, thanks to Charon’s absorption.

 

[speedster352]

For mind manipulation, 2nd and 3rd Gens have resistance to mind manipulation. Those who have resistance and willpower gain powers while those who don’t become infernals. Charon is 2nd generation. Chuck should be able to resist it. Puck considers shamac mid too.

So what other winscon is there? It seems I’ve countered them all.

Nope that is head canon It works on those that have the same resistances also they can just seal them with brand of darkness. No counters to sealing lol also sealing is allowed not bfr. TBH your character should be changed or all your going to say is AZ gg.

 

[speedster352]

Nope that is head canon It works on those that have the same resistances also they can just seal them with brand of darkness. No counters to sealing lol also sealing is allowed not bfr. TBH your character should be changed or all your going to say is AZ gg.

It’s definitely not limited durability negation

it just a chance attacks would do more damage. Which is just more food for Chuck, thanks to Charon’s absorption.

See this? Also they can counter with counter attacks and barriers

 

[Jibz]

TBH your character should be changed or all your going to say is AZ gg.

No. I'm (and everyone else) not having my time wasted because your character isn't hard stomping. We've let you change character keys various times without complaining even though its more effort for us to sift through the win cons and see counters.

No counters to sealing lol also sealing is allowed not bfr.

How does the sealing work might i ask

 

[speedster352]

No. I'm (and everyone else) not having my time wasted because your character isn't hard stomping. We've let you change character keys various times without complaining even though its more effort for us to sift through the win cons and see counters.

How does the sealing work might i ask

It takes physical contact and will be applied instantly so that's their win con both of Rubia and Charizard have sealing

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Nope that is head canon It works on those that have the same resistances also they can just seal them with brand of darkness. No counters to sealing lol also sealing is allowed not bfr. TBH your character should be changed or all your going to say is AZ gg.

Headcanon? Chuck naturally resists mind manipulation. The brand of darkness and word of power work similarly on their profile. It also requires physical touch, Puck and Charon have the ability to sense danger and will react according and not let them physically touch, either by range spamming and danmaku. Don't forget all of this is happening while your mana is being absorbed, and mind you the mana absorption isn't slow, it's extremely fast. Even faster, and more painful if Puck manages to physically touch your character. Puck can detect and break curses too as a bonus, however, this won't is needed so don't waste your time countering it.

Not changing my character lol, literally someone with spirit fission and time stop in this tournament.

 

[speedster352]

Headcanon? Chuck naturally resists mind manipulation. The brand of darkness and word of power work similarly on their profile. It also requires physical touch, Puck and Charon have the ability to sense danger and will react according and not let them physically touch, either by range spamming and danmaku. Don't forget all of this is happening while your mana is being absorbed, and mind you the mana absorption isn't slow, it's extremely fast. Even faster, and more painful if Puck manages to physically touch your character. Puck can detect and break curses too as a bonus, however, this won't is needed so don't waste your time countering it.

Not changing my character lol.

Power cannot be modified with dynamax or drained. Too bad chuck get's sealed

 

[Arnoldstone18]

It takes physical contact and will be applied instantly so that's their win con both of Rubia and Charizard have sealing

I just neutralized this

What is your next winscon

Ngl you really pushed me to my limit, i nearly gave up, @Jibz kinda kept me going

 

[speedster352]

I just neutralized this

What is your next winscon

Ngl you really pushed me to my limit, i nearly gave up, @Jibz kinda kept me going

Sealing will work

 

[theultimate5105]

Headcanon? Chuck naturally resists mind manipulation. The brand of darkness and word of power work similarly on their profile. It also requires physical touch, Puck and Charon have the ability to sense danger and will react according and not let them physically touch, either by range spamming and danmaku. Don't forget all of this is happening while your mana is being absorbed, and mind you the mana absorption isn't slow, it's extremely fast. Even faster, and more painful if Puck manages to physically touch your character. Puck can detect and break curses too as a bonus, however, this won't is needed so don't waste your time countering it.

Again Passive Mana Absorption is nullified. Dynamax Pokemon produce shockwaves which nullify abilities which are passives including Absorption abilities

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Power cannot be modified with dynamax or drained. Too bad chuck get's sealed

Who said anything about power modification?

 

[GoldenScorpions]

Speedster, please calm down. It's not the end of the world if Charbia loses, and you're spamming too much. Also, you're confusing Rubia's abilities too much, you should read again.


Anyway, as far as Rubia's sealing goes, it only works for things like summons, familiars, spirits and the like. While, yes, Puck is a spirit, the fact Puck merges with Charon means it's only half-spirit, so it's effectiveness is likely lower. As for the other use of Brand of Darkness, the madness is resisted by Charon, and while Chuck doesn't have pain resistance, BoD isn't enough to win this. Dunno about Zard's sealing.

For mind manipulation, 2nd and 3rd Gens have resistance to mind manipulation

Do you please have a scan for that? Charon's profile says he resists radiation, heat and madness, not mind stuff. Also, if you can say what types of mind manipulation he supposedly resists, it's appreciated.

And since Charon absorbing attacks seems to limit what else he can do at the same time, wouldn't he be vulnerable if Charbia baits him with an attack for him to absorb, only for then to attack him in melee from the side of behind him with elemental attacks/Laevateinn? Rubia is smart and tactical enough intelligence to come up with that, and she has the means to do so through illusions, against which Chuck doesn't seem to resist.

And what about this? Based on the profiles, this should work

but by passing through the crack, doesn't that mean that it won't get absorbed? I think she is merely just passing through the parts that were destroyed, passing through other parts of the barrier will only damage it more because of the power of the flames so there is honestly no way of knowing if the flames truly just resist being absorbed

EoV flames still do resist that, because while a "crack" does open, the dark energy of the barrier still surrounds Claire all the way through as she walks. That barrier can absorb energy, but the EoV flames weren't absorbed despite also being energy. EoV keeps the barrier away from Claire because EoV repels the absorption effect.


As a note, critical hits in Pokemon do ignore durability, and they bypass both regular defenses and stat amps to defense

 

[Jibz]

@Jibz kinda kept me going

glad i helped, because im lowkey siding with chuck rn

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Again Passive Mana Absorption is nullified. Dynamax Pokemon produce shockwaves which nullify abilities which are passives including Absorption abilities

lol isn't temporary? what is this move called? plus he can also do it with physical touch which greatly enhances the speed of an already fast rate of absorption.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Speedster, please calm down. It's not the end of the world if Charbia loses, and you're spamming too much. Also, you're confusing Rubia's abilities too much, you should read again.

He literally has two characters in this tournament. I only have one.

 

[speedster352]

glad i helped, because im lowkey siding with chuck rn

Chuck has to be changed next match not dealing with this again

 

[theultimate5105]

lol isn't temporary? what is this move called? plus he can also do it with physical touch which greatly enhances the speed of an already fast rate of absorption.

Its temporary yes as in it lasts for multiple minutes and can be used again immediatly afterwards. Can't Touch Charbia through the barriers he creates. Also Charbia Enhances speed 4x and slows his opponent down 4x pretty fast. Charbia literally won't be touched

 

[speedster352]

Chuck has to be changed next match not dealing with this again

He literally has two characters in this tournament. I only have one.

Here

 

[Jibz]

While, yes, Puck is a spirit, the fact Puck merges with Charon means it's only half-spirit, so it's effectiveness is likely lower.

its effectiveness doesn't exist unless it is indeed specified to work on half-spirits, anything otherwise is just a baseless assumption

As a note, critical hits in Pokemon do ignore durability, and they bypass both regular defenses and stat amps to defense

I know they bypass amped defences, but reg defence? I've not heard of that and searching it up online garners no results. Not that i don't believe you, but could u provide a source?

Furthermore, can Charizard even use moves like Slash or Shadow Claw in gigantimax form, aren't the moves changed for Dynamax pokemon? I can't find any high crit ratio dynamax moves Charizard uses, so if you could tell me them (and if Charizard uses them in character) that'll be great

 

[speedster352]

its effectiveness doesn't exist unless it is indeed specified to work on half-spirits, anything otherwise is just a baseless assumption

I know they bypass amped defences, but reg defence? I've not heard of that and searching it up online garners no results. Not that i don't believe you, but could u provide a source?

Furthermore, can Charizard even use moves like Slash or Shadow Claw in gigantimax form, aren't the moves changed for Dynamax pokemon? I can't find any high crit ratio dynamax moves Charizard uses, so if you could tell me them (and if Charizard uses them in character) that'll be great

Sealing works on half spirit elementalist

 

[Jibz]

and can be used again immediatly afterwards.

What?? I swear Dynamax can only be used once per battle?

 

[speedster352]

What?? I swear Dynamax can only be used once per battle?

SBA means they stay transformed