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@imZer0Null Is your argument against 2-A bubble because the azure sky isn't stated to be infinite?
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No, azure sky is a 4-D structure that contains space time continuums. Null's argument against 2-A bubble and 2-B instead is that the azure sky isn't stated to be infiniteWait the reason why the OP is claiming the azure sky is a 4D space is because it is a space-time continuum?
That isn't how Misha explained it at all tho.
She didn't say the black sky is finite without the azure sky and infinite with the azure sky, so this isn't a case of finite sky+infinite azure sky=infinite black sky.
See the following:
There is only one "black sky" (黒穹), and it is above the "sky" (空).
Just "sky" I think. "Blue sky" (青空) can also refer to the normal sky, but the "sky" and the "azure sky" (蒼穹, sometimes translated as "blue sky") are two different things.
Blue sky already exist before black sky read the line above.二千年前の魔族とて、生身の体ではそうそう至れぬ場所。かつて飛空城艦ゼリドヘヴヌスにてようやく到達したその遙か空の彼方へ、魔王城は一直線に向かっていく。
雲を突き破り、青空を抜け、視界がやがて黒く染まった。
「ここは、黒穹こっきゅうと呼ばれている」
ミーシャたちは、目の前の光景に息を飲む。
さんざめく星々が、きらきらと輝いている。
その黒い空を、更に進む。
やがて、速度が緩まると、視線の先にデルゾゲードと同じ材質で出来た建築物が見えた。
「あれ、なんだ?」
「デルゾゲードの下部だ。あの場には、神々の蒼穹に通じる神界の門があってな。二千年前、<四界牆壁ベノ・イエヴン>でそれを塞ぐために、デルゾゲードの深層部をこの空に残しておいた」
そうすれば、<四界牆壁ベノ・イエヴン>はより長く保たれ、壁が消えた後も神族に対する牽制になる。
A place that even the demon tribe of 2,000 years ago could not reach in flesh and blood. The Demon King's Castle was heading in a straight line toward the faraway sky, which had been finally reached by the flying castle ship Xeridohevnus in the past.
Breaking through the clouds and blue sky, the view eventually turned black.
"This place is called the Black Sky Kokyu."
Misha and the others gasped at the sight before them.
The stars were shining brightly.
They continued onward through the black sky.
Eventually, as they slowed down, they saw an architectural structure made of the same material as the Delsogade.
"What is that?"
"It is the lower part of the Delzogade. There is a gate of the divine world that leads to the azure sky of the gods. Two thousand years ago, I left the depths of the delzogade in the sky in order to seal it off with the Raised Wall of the Four Realms, Benno Even."
In this way, the <Raised Wall of the Four Realms Benno Even> would be kept longer and would serve as a check against the Gods even after the wall disappeared.
Here it's specifically states the sky disappears and then black sky started to visible.鬩ぎ合っていた魔力が拮抗を破り、黒き刃が直進した。根源刀は俺の掌を貫き、空に突き刺さる。
空の秩序が切り裂かれ、<銀界魔弾ゾネイド>により青く染まった空に巨大な亀裂が走った。バラバラと砕け散った空の破片が落ちてくる。
空は消えてなくなり、俺の頭上には黒穹が見えていた。
太陽は健在で、その明かりが俺とジジを照らしている。
The magic that had been fighting each other broke the antagonism, and the black blade went straight ahead. The root blade pierced through my palm and plunged into the sky.
The order of the sky was torn apart, and a huge crack ran through the sky that had been dyed blue by the Silver World Magic Bullet Zonaid. Fragments of the sky fall in pieces.
The sky vanished and disappeared, leaving a black sky above my head.
The sun was alive and well, its light shining on me and Gigi.
Azure sky contains countless realms of universal level.Wait the reason why the OP is claiming the azure sky is a 4D space is because it is a space-time continuum?
Azure sky can contain santuaries in it, and santuaries are 4D structureWait the reason why the OP is claiming the azure sky is a 4D space is because it is a space-time continuum?
Null isn't saying the bubble is only infinite 3-D. He's saying the structure capable of holding space time continuums isn't stated to be infinite in sizeBubble can't be infinite 3D space if it contains 4D structures. It has to be infinite 4D
What I was asking is what makes santuaries 4D?Azure sky can contain santuaries in it, and santuaries are 4D structure
So why azure sky is not 4D structure???
And my argument is not about azure sky, but about the whole bubble
Proof of some sanctuaries being 4-D, statements that all sanctuaries are microcosms of the bubbleWhat I was asking is what makes santuaries 4D?
That is not proof of a 4D spaceProof of some sanctuaries being 4-D, statements that all sanctuaries are microcosms of the bubble
What? Bro there are literally stated to have same size of the universe. How it's not enough proof?. Can you tell me why they aren't Universal sized ?That is not proof of a 4D space
For the last time read to understand not read to reply.What? Bro there are literally stated to have same size of the universe. How it's not enough proof?. Can you tell me why they aren't Universal sized ?
It already contains countless realms of universal level. How that can't be 4D space.For the last time read to understand not read to reply.
I said it does not make it a 4D space not it is not universal in size
The sanctuary contains countless universe sized realm?It already contains countless realms of universal level. How that can't be 4D space.
I think you misunderstood somethingThe sanctuary contains countless universe sized realm?
Sanctuaries themselves are the universe sized spaces (space time continuums) and they're countless number of them, basically one for each god. The azure sky is where all sanctuaries are located making it a 4-D spaceThe sanctuary contains countless universe sized realm?
I did not misunderstand anything here are my messagesI think you misunderstood something
Bubble=infinite size
Each Bubble has azure sky of gods which contains countless realms of universal level.
Our argument logically bubble should be large enough to contain infinite number of universes.
Let's a Sanctuaries are set B. Azure sky of gods is set B and bubbles is set C.
A is subset of B and B is Subset of C so A should be subset of C.
A is infinite size.
You can start from thereWait the reason why the OP is claiming the azure sky is a 4D space is because it is a space-time continuum?
Yes, basically.@imZer0Null Is your argument against 2-A bubble because the azure sky isn't stated to be infinite?
I already addressed this here and here.Blue sky already exist before black sky read the line above.
" Breaking through the clouds and blue sky, the view eventually turned black."
Here it's specifically states the sky disappears and then black sky started to visible.
I believe from this we can see blue sky and black are different. Unless you explain how can sky disappears and black sky visible.
Yes, basically.Null isn't saying the bubble is only infinite 3-D. He's saying the structure capable of holding space time continuums isn't stated to be infinite in size.
I'm gonna assume you mean 4-D space-time continuums.What I was asking is what makes santuaries 4D?
I don’t mean space-time continuumI'm gonna assume you mean 4-D space-time continuums.
In that case, read here.
Just read the proposalWhat I was asking is what makes santuaries 4D?
Sanctuaries ain't 4D space they are 4D structure. Normal universes. No one is arguing for 4D space for sanctuaries.I don’t mean space-time continuum
All space-time continuums are 4D by effect I don’t know what you mean by “4D space time continuum”
The question is what makes the sanctuary a 4D space, that’s a different question
It means it has one extra dimension(direction).
I never says santuary is 4D space. I says santuary is 4D structureI don’t mean space-time continuum
All space-time continuums are 4D by effect I don’t know what you mean by “4D space time continuum”
The question is what makes the sanctuary a 4D space, that’s a different question
It means it has one extra dimension(direction).
Let's say Sanctuaries are set A. Azure sky of gods is set B and bubbles is set C.Yes, basically.
Also because no one has provided actual evidence that the black sky can contain 4-D space-time continuums in the same physical space.
I already addressed this here and here.
Check the actual raw Japanese text to see how you are simply completely misinterpreting the statements.
Let's a Sanctuaries are set A. Azure sky of gods is set B and bubbles is set C.
A is subset of B and B is Subset of C so A should be subset of C.
A is infinite size.
Yes, basically.
There is a structure capable of containing the 4-D space-time continuums, that being the azure sky, but no one has provided actual evidence that it has infinite size to contain infinite divine domains.
I'm gonna assume you mean 4-D space-time continuums.
In that case, read here.
So you are saying azure sky contains each sanctuary space-time continuum in its entirety?I never says santuary is 4D space. I says santuary is 4D structure
No... A space-time continuum can also be 5-D (4-D space + 1-D time), or really any number of dimensions higher than one dimension, as a space-time continuum is just a manifold composed of both spatial and temporal dimensions.All space-time continuums are 4D by effect I don’t know what you mean by “4D space time continuum”.
I don't think anyone was claiming that divine domains (sanctuaries) are 4-D space, so maybe you should just actually read people's arguments.The question is what makes the sanctuary a 4D space, that’s a different question.
Each santuaries have it own time dimensionSo you are saying azure sky contains each sanctuary space-time continuum in its entirety?
I mean it contains it from the past, presto and the future, all at once?
I said by default, meaning when someone says spacetime continuum unless stated otherwise it is assumed to be 4DNo... A space-time continuum can also be 5-D (4-D space + 1-D time), or really any number of dimensions higher than one dimension, as a space-time continuum is just a manifold composed of both spatial and temporal dimensions.
I did my question was why is azure sky a 4D space and here was the replyI don't think anyone was claiming that divine domains (sanctuaries) are 4-D space, so maybe you should just actually read people's arguments.
Which brought me to subsequent questionsAzure sky can contain santuaries in it, and santuaries are 4D structure
Nice, it didn’t Answer my questionEach santuaries have it own time dimension
So you are saying azure sky contains each sanctuary space-time continuum in its entirety?
I mean it contains it from the past, present and the future, all at once?
I said by default, meaning when someone says spacetime continuum unless stated otherwise it is assumed to be 4D
I did my question was why is azure sky a 4D space and here was the reply
Which brought me to subsequent questions
Nice, it didn’t Answer my question
If you have own time dimension that mean the every point time is include in itNice, it didn’t Answer my question
I already what the claim is and I’m asking questions You can also feel free to answer the questionsBubble world = {Infinite size { Azure sky of gods {Countless Sanctuaries { sanctuary=space time continuum}}}}
- Bubble world is infinite size.
- It contains Azure sky of gods.
- Azure sky of gods contains countless realms/Sanctuaries
- Each sanctuary is macrocosom of the world and has size of the universe. Also contains seperate space time
- The whole argument is Bubble world which contains Azure sky of gods which contains countless realms of universal level should be considered as 2A. As Bubble is infinite size.
- You know infinite space can contain infinite items whatever inside of it. Well you are already a scaler I don have to tell you that.
I hope this explains somewhat.
The sanctuary are subset of the azure sky. A 3D space can’t contain 4D structure (3D + 1 time) no matter how infinite it was. It had to be in similar level of dimension which is why Azure sky had to be 4D space to contain 4D structure.Sanctuary= space time continuum(4D)
3D space can’t contain the sanctuaries which is why the bubble is 4D space in order to contain them.
No, where are you seeing that?If you have own time dimension that mean the every point time is include in it
This is wrong a 4D structure can contain another 4D structureThe sanctuary are subset of the azure sky. A 3D space can’t contain 4D structure (3D + 1 time) no matter how infinite it was. It had to be in similar level of dimension which is why Azure sky had to be 4D space to contain 4D structure.
Ok .This is wrong a 4D structure can contain another 4D structure