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Diane (NNT) vs Oars (One Piece)

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Pinning him still isn't a surefire way to keep him from fighting back or defending. He can still stretch his arms, legs and even head while pinned, and continue fighting. Him not feeling pain works against her since he won't worry about flinching while getting attacked either and returning fire damn near instantly via Luffy's combat analysis, prediction and reactive power level if the fight drags on. Aaaaand:

KingTempest said:
No, because we flat out see that he couldn't do those because those abilities are based off of Luffy's biology, but when Moria allowed him to stretch, he could end up doing it.

When did not showing something mean you didn't have it?
Those are skills of Luffy.

Just like how Jigoro can use the 36 Pound Cannon, which is done by swordsmen with a specific amount of skill, or how Inuppe had Sanji's weakness of not being able to harm a woman, and how Luffy became a skilled swordsman after taking a swordsman's shadow, Oars has his abilities.

So he can use Luffy's skills but not his personality.

Here's the reason why.

Those who Moria command become complete fodder when subjected to Moria's full control. Inuppe lost Sanji's personality but still had his fighting capabilities.
The only thing that changes is their memories, yet their fighting style remains. That's why their original memories overlap their new memories, and Inuppe and Jigoro had Sanji and Zoro's rivalry even though they forgot their memories.

Oars still had Luffy's instinct of flinching to attacks until he comprehended his immunity to pain.

And I don't know why we're forgetting that Luffy is an idiot just like Oars, the only thing special is his battle capabilities.

Just like how Ryuma ended up with some of his personality traits of when he was alive, Oars, who was an idiot in his lifetime, retained that alongside Luffy's personality traits and memories. Unfortunately, he hasn't been a zombie with Luffy's shadow to the extent of one like Ryuma who has had Brook's shadow for years.

Oars bodies for my many reasons above
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Oars FRA
 
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SnookB said:
Pinning him still isn't a surefire way to keep him from fighting back or defending. He can still stretch his arms, legs and even head while pinned, and continue fighting. Him not feeling pain works against her since he won't worry about flinching while getting attacked either and returning fire damn near instantly via Luffy's combat analysis, prediction and reactive power level if the fight drags on. Aaaaand:


Oars FRA
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Any counters to friends and ls advantage?
 
Nierre said:
True, from what I know, Diane should have a massive LS advantage. And she has defensive and offensive magic outside of just being a close combat fighter, so that should help...? I'm not super knowledgeable on how she fights so I'll ask for some SDS supporters
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I think you may need to use a different NNT character
 
speedster352 said:
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Any counters to friends and ls advantage?
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Even if he's getting jumped, Oars still outskills them all. Not all of them are as strong either. The counter is that he beats them up, because his skill AS LUFFY far outscales their own. He has far higher chances of reaching her via stretching, higher skill, battle analysis and AP similiar to Luffy's even WITHOUT the amp via stretching. Don't forget how absurdly agile he is despite his size, and adaptive to the point of beginning to choose to block certain attacks and use the environment for his favor. If she fills the area with massive rocks, that's just more toys for him to throw at her.

CRT: He's like Luffy
The literal people who LIVE WITH LUFFY, witnessing Oars' SKILL and not (Luffy's) DF abilities: "I forget sometimes, but THAT'S REALLY LUFFY." when fighting oars
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Some of ya'll: "It can't be like Luffy." I'm sorry, but you not liking it doesn't mean it's not a thing.
 
Diane: 4(speedster352, Kachon123, Expectro2000xxx, Majinere566)
Oars: 5(TheForgottenKing, Lugh_Tuathe_De, Popted2, Harith0Cell, SnookB)
 
How is Oars going to stretch when he has people with nearly a 1000x gap in LS are grapping him and holding him down? He couldn't escape Luffy's g3 when he was held down by a big chain and his legs frozen.

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Oars will have 7+ golems all vastly superior to him in LS and higher than him in dura and AP holding him down. Diane can finish it, cutting his spine off with Ground Gladius,

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Or just crush him with her hammer.

Oars has literally no wincon other than "outskilling." What specifically is he going to do? Jump around and dodge? Has he shown enough "skill" to be able to dodge something on the caliber of 7+ Golems, Earth magic spam, Diane attacking him all at the same time? I'll answer for you. No.
 
Kachon123 said:
How is Oars going to stretch when he has people with nearly a 1000x gap in LS are grapping him and holding him down? He couldn't escape Luffy's g3 when he was held down by a big chain and his legs frozen.

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Oars will have 7+ golems all vastly superior to him in LS and higher than him in dura and AP holding him down. Diane can finish it, cutting his spine off with Ground Gladius,

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Or just crush him with her hammer.

Oars has literally no wincon other than "outskilling." What specifically is he going to do? Jump around and dodge? Has he shown enough "skill" to be able to dodge something on the caliber of 7+ Golems, Earth magic spam, Diane attacking him all at the same time? I'll answer for you. No.
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Diane has a lot of defensives skills including heavy metal
 
People are also not bringing up Diane's skill too. She was able to fight equally with Meliodas, who has 3000+ years of fighting experience.

Meliodas was the leader of the 10 commandments, a group of elite demon combatants who have fought in many wars.
 
Kachon123 said:
People are also not bringing up Diane's skill too. She was able to fight equally with Meliodas, who has 3000+ years of fighting experience.

Meliodas was the leader of the 10 commandments, a group of elite demon combatants who have fought in many wars.
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Titles means shit compared to feats that have been shown
 
Kachon123 said:
People are also not bringing up Diane's skill too. She was able to fight equally with Meliodas, who has 3000+ years of fighting experience.

Meliodas was the leader of the 10 commandments, a group of elite demon combatants who have fought in many wars.
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You can be 3000+years old and have no skill beyond basic knowledge at best. Age doesn't mean a lot. By your logic Brook should be outskilling every straw hat, even Zoro in swordsmanship while at it.
 
SnookB said:
You can be 3000+years old and have no skill beyond basic knowledge at best. Age doesn't mean a lot. By your logic Brook should be outskilling every straw hat, even Zoro in swordsmanship while at it.
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Skill means nothing to being outhaxed with creation that covered albions the size of mountains not counter to heavy metal, diamond wall, friends etc. Then again everyone here is biased. Can't accept facts
 
speedster352 said:
Skill means nothing to being outhaxed with creation that covered albions the size of mountains not counter to heavy metal, diamond wall, friends etc. Then again everyone here is biased. Can't accept facts
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You know you shouldn't call others biased just because the character you like is losing
 
speedster352 said:
Skill means nothing to being outhaxed with creation that covered albions the size of mountains not counter to heavy metal, diamond wall, friends etc. Then again everyone here is biased. Can't accept facts
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Rocks, golems and defense aren't "hax", they're variety. The skill gap between Diane and Luffy/Oars is so absurd. And Luffy fought more versatile opponents and stumped them via sheer skill. It isn't the first time. Never was.

Using age as a feat isn't actually a feat. Roshi learned the kamehameha in years when it took Goku 5 minutes. Zoro outskills characters twice his age as well, and so does Luffy (by a large margain sometimes)
Age =/= experience

Tempest brought up great points and I agree with them. Plain and simple. Oars' skill, versatility, acrobatics, combat analysis, reactive power level and unflinchingness come in clutch. And the only way his bones were broken were because he was held at a VERY SPECIFIC ANGLE for that to work. And even then Chopper said he wasn't destroyed. Diane isn't one-tapping his body.
 
SnookB said:
Rocks, golems and defense aren't "hax", they're variety. The skill gap between Diane and Luffy/Oars is so absurd. And Luffy fought more versatile opponents and stumped them via sheer skill. It isn't the first time. Never was.

Using age as a feat isn't actually a feat. Roshi learned the kamehameha in years when it took Goku 5 minutes. Zoro outskills characters twice his age as well, and so does Luffy (by a large margain sometimes)
Age =/= experience

Tempest brought up great points and I agree with them. Plain and simple. Oars' skill, versatility, acrobatics, combat analysis, reactive power level and unflinchingness come in clutch. And the only way his bones were broken were because he was held at a VERY SPECIFIC ANGLE for that to work. And even then Chopper said he wasn't destroyed. Diane isn't one-tapping his body.
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Diane has an ap advantage and creation. So what the Albions were golems they didn't escape queens embrace. Friends are haxed king golem one shotted a puppet from commandment level fighter that king had to go full strength against and there is a least 5 of them. Diane has heavy metal and diamond wall so his attacks are ineffective. Yes living up and burning your enemy under metric tons of earth is a wincon Ap advantage plus a variety of techniques let's Diane win. Skill does not help in you can harm you opponent and getting buried under tons. Anyway your biased.
 
SnookB said:
Rocks, golems and defense aren't "hax", they're variety. The skill gap between Diane and Luffy/Oars is so absurd. And Luffy fought more versatile opponents and stumped them via sheer skill. It isn't the first time. Never was.

Using age as a feat isn't actually a feat. Roshi learned the kamehameha in years when it took Goku 5 minutes. Zoro outskills characters twice his age as well, and so does Luffy (by a large margain sometimes)
Age =/= experience

Tempest brought up great points and I agree with them. Plain and simple. Oars' skill, versatility, acrobatics, combat analysis, reactive power level and unflinchingness come in clutch. And the only way his bones were broken were because he was held at a VERY SPECIFIC ANGLE for that to work. And even then Chopper said he wasn't destroyed. Diane isn't one-tapping his body.
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Ls gap is huge she can just chuck him to a different part of the land or just stomp on him with heavy metal. Friends just make it easier since they can restrain him than Diane smashes him to death with Earth manipulation or just smashes him herself.
 
speedster352 said:
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She does not have the AP for that.

It required people of great intelligence to create the method to reduce his body's natural shock absorption then an attack aimed at a restricted Oars in order to defeat him.
Kachon123 said:
Keeping my Diane vote. I doubt Oars would be able to handle multiple golems, all that scale above him in AP and dura
Heavy Metal also amps her dura and AP
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Kachon123 said:
Not only does Diane have an Ap and Dura advantage
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speedster352 said:
Diane has an ap advantage
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You guys know that Oars has an AP amp as well right? And he actually has the AP advantage

Oars regular AP is 1.3 Megatons while Diane's is 2.5 Megatons.
Oars has the inverse double handed combined attack multiplier accepted, putting his AP at 2.6 Megatons, above Diane's.
Now he can stack the Gomu Gomu amps, the spinning amps, further stretching, and more.

Oars has an AP advantage.

Diane isn't breaking his spine like the others.

If her golems grab onto him, he can just jump up and jump down, breaking them all.

Also, you guys do know how big Oars is right? His AOE is ridiculous compared to the golems. He could easily swipe them all
 
speedster352 said:
Ls gap is huge she can just chuck him to a different part of the land
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You know he can just... grab on to her while she's trying to throw him right?

Also, he has BFR via brute force attacks.

Also I love how we forgot he has Moria with him too
 
Diane: 4(speedster352, Kachon123, Expectro2000xxx, Majinere566)
Oars: 7(TheForgottenKing, Lugh_Tuathe_De, Popted2, Harith0Cell, SnookB, Eminiteable, Shadyboi0)

Grace starts
 
speedster352 said:
Ls gap is huge she can just chuck him to a different part of the land or just stomp on him with heavy metal. Friends just make it easier since they can restrain him than Diane smashes him to death with Earth manipulation or just smashes him herself.
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This is assuming he doesn't Soru blitz Friends and land direct hits on her before he can even react. Your arguments rely on the fact that Oars sits there and picks his nose, when he in character always goes for blood and swings to win. Even against far tinier characters he was legitemately going out to blitz, one shot and destroy all of them, when he should naturally just underestimate them and not take it seriously.

Oars is a constantly moving target against even smaller foe, and his size, adding LUFFY'S stretching to it, gives him insane range in combination with his speed and AP amps.
 
KingTempest said:
She does not have the AP for that.

It required people of great intelligence to create the method to reduce his body's natural shock absorption then an attack aimed at a restricted Oars in order to defeat him.



You guys know that Oars has an AP amp as well right? And he actually has the AP advantage

Oars regular AP is 1.3 Megatons while Diane's is 2.5 Megatons.
Oars has the inverse double handed combined attack multiplier accepted, putting his AP at 2.6 Megatons, above Diane's.
Now he can stack the Gomu Gomu amps, the spinning amps, further stretching, and more.

Oars has an AP advantage.

Diane isn't breaking his spine like the others.

If her golems grab onto him, he can just jump up and jump down, breaking them all.

Also, you guys do know how big Oars is right? His AOE is ridiculous compared to the golems. He could easily swipe them all
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Stop making things up.
Nierre said:
Well I'd see no reason why Oars wouldn't try to read and or copy moves ESPECIALLY in a moment like this, where he's getting jumped and attacked my tiny people. Oars couldn't even "wash" them as they were far too resilient and agile, so if anything why wouldn't he try to. He was even getting frustrated and was just having baby rage iirc because of them, which is imo nothing like Luffy
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Please use a different NNT character this thread is way too biased with one piece wankers
 
Lugh_Tuathe_Dé said:
Correct me if i'm tho usually i saw people u need 3 votes ahead to start grace?
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Also, Oars' CRT was just accepted, so this is now on his profile
Enhanced Senses, Supernatural Willpower, Rage Power, Accelerated Development, Reactive Power Level, Instinctive Reaction, Statistics Amplification (Via Soru), Afterimage Creation, Analytical Prediction, Information Analysis, Limited Power Mimicry, Minor Reactive Evolution, and Resistance to Madness Manipulation via Willpower (Via scaling to Luffy, as he has all of his abilities that are skill, personality, and willpower based),
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Everything bold is the stuff that helps him body, everything underlined is the stuff that is ehh, useful but flawed

So yeah.
 
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