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Diane (NNT) vs Oars (One Piece)

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Diane vs Oars​


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True, from what I know, Diane should have a massive LS advantage. And she has defensive and offensive magic outside of just being a close combat fighter, so that should help...? I'm not super knowledgeable on how she fights so I'll ask for some SDS supporters
 
Diane seems to have an AP advantage, on top of being more versatile. Could Oars prevent his spine from getting broken while he's fighting Diane + her Golems? all while she's spamming large AOE earth moves?

Oar's acrobatics, and superior skill should definitely help, but considering he doesn't feel pain, Diane could quickly add up damage onto him with her earth magic, all while spamming her earth barriers and Heavy Metal to protect herself.

That said, I haven't read NNT in like a year, this might not even be how she fights in character-
 
The_man_with_the_Midas_touch said:
Diane seems to have an AP advantage, on top of being more versatile.
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She has more listed abilities but she's not more versatile.
Oars scales to Luffy's versatility which drastically outscales her own
The_man_with_the_Midas_touch said:
Could Oars prevent his spine from getting broken while he's fighting Diane + her Golems? all while she's spamming large AOE earth moves?

Oar's acrobatics, and superior skill should definitely help, but considering he doesn't feel pain, Diane could quickly add up damage onto him with her earth magic, all while spamming her earth barriers and Heavy Metal to protect herself.
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Yall know he can jump like... really high... to dodge her attacks right? And also use wide AOE physical attacks right?

And he also has speed amps which are capable of outspeeding her attacks.
 
KingTempest said:
She has more listed abilities but she's not more versatile.
Oars scales to Luffy's versatility which drastically outscales her own

Yall know he can jump like... really high... to dodge her attacks right? And also use wide AOE physical attacks right?

And he also has speed amps which are capable of outspeeding her attacks.
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Not friends and mother earth and he has no counter to heavy metal and etc Diane wins this
 
speedster352 said:
Not friends and mother earth and he has no counter to heavy metal and etc Diane wins this
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Yo stop just saying "he has no counter gg" you do this in every thread.

Mother earth is just her hitting the ground and producing rocks everywhere. Not every square inch of the ground is equal to her full yield.

Heavy metal is an AP amp. He has AP amps as well.

Stop doing shit like that "they have no counter to these abilities that i refuse to explain and gg" like what
 
Also, I forgot to add it for some reason, but recently it's accepted that Oars has these


Since he can do everything Luffy can do.

Don't say "oh it's not on the profile haaaaa", it's accepted. Oars can do it, just needs to be added.

So Oars has all of those as well. He can **** around and copy Mother Earth if he felt like it.
 
IDK against the strawhats he didn't seem to nearly show any battle smarts or anything worth noting, in fact he just seemed to be throwing attacks and the only reason why they were effective, was because he had the AP advantage.
 
Nierre said:
IDK against the strawhats he didn't seem to nearly show any battle smarts or anything worth noting, in fact he just seemed to be throwing attacks and the only reason why they were effective, was because he had the AP advantage.
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He was getting jumped by tiny people

Luffy doesn't try to read and copy attacks from tiny people, he just washes them.
Same with Oars especially while being controlled by Moria.

This is an enemy that's [still drastically shorter than Oars, but] bigger than the average tiny person
 
KingTempest said:
He was getting jumped by tiny people

Luffy doesn't try to read and copy attacks from tiny people, he just washes them.
Same with Oars especially while being controlled by Moria.
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Well I'd see no reason why Oars wouldn't try to read and or copy moves ESPECIALLY in a moment like this, where he's getting jumped and attacked my tiny people. Oars couldn't even "wash" them as they were far too resilient and agile, so if anything why wouldn't he try to. He was even getting frustrated and was just having baby rage iirc because of them, which is imo nothing like Luffy
 
Oar's has Luffy's skills, but he isn't literally a giant Luffy.

Just like Ryuma had different strategies and personality than regular Brook, despite sharing some traits.

Saying he's going to do shit like start copying Diane's movements seems really, REALLY out of character for literally anything we've seen Oars do. He wasn't shown to be a particularly smart fighter, even despite having Luffy's skills implanted into him.
 
Nierre said:
Well I'd see no reason why Oars wouldn't try to read and or copy moves ESPECIALLY in a moment like this, where he's getting jumped and attacked my tiny people. Oars couldn't even "wash" them as they were far too resilient and agile, so if anything why wouldn't he try to. He was even getting frustrated and was just having baby rage iirc because of them, which is imo nothing like Luffy
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They were throwing combo attacks at him. He can't copy combo attacks.
They sent Brook flying like a slingshot with a lightning amped sword at him.
They made a giant bird shaped fireball.
They used devil fruit only abilities like Robin's and Chopper's.
Heck, Sanji caught on fire and Zoro used pillar swords.

Things he did copy from Luffy that we see is his love of using the surroundings for battle, shown here and here, predicting trajectory of attacks, shown here, sending back attacks, shown here.

Even his method of countering is similar to Luffy, dodging very close range attacks and countering like how he did here, blocking off guard attacks like here.

Also, if yall saw Thriller Bark, you know that after all the damage that was put on him, he's not going down unless Diane does something like completely shatter his skeleton.

I won't come and bring up all of Oars' abilities until his CRT gets accepted, nor will I close this thread and abuse my power cause I want Oars to win (I obviously want Oars to win because I can believe he can win), but just saying that what he can do now is good enough to win.
 
KingTempest said:
Things he did copy from Luffy that we see is his love of using the surroundings for battle, shown here and here, predicting trajectory of attacks, shown here, sending back attacks, shown here.
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Throwing rocks to hit away attacks from tiny people, and using surroundings =/= being equal to Luffy in skill

KingTempest said:
Even his method of countering is similar to Luffy, dodging very close range attacks and countering like how he did here,
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Zoro and Sanji have dodged "very close range attacks" like that too. Are they equal to Luffy in skill based off of that?
 
KingTempest said:
predicting trajectory of attacks, shown here
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This doesn't show predicting anything, to me at least. He's just faster than Zoro/fast enough to react to it.
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blocking off guard attacks like here.
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Because he's smart enough to block with his arm? I mean it doesn't take a genius to block with their arm.

I pretty much share the same view as @The_man_with_the_Midas_touch. Oars has Luffy's skills, that much I agree with. But fighting exactly like Luffy to a tee I completely disagree with. Oars was literally a giant baby with Luffy's fighting style, that was it. He was nothing like Luffy at the end of the day. Much like Ryuma wasn't like Brook.
 
Kachon123 said:
Throwing rocks to hit away attacks from tiny people, and using surroundings =/= being equal to Luffy in skill
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Literally having Luffy's skill = being equal to Luffy in skill
Kachon123 said:
Zoro and Sanji have dodged "very close range attacks" like that too. Are they equal to Luffy in skill based off of that?
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What in the false equivalence?
I said Oars showcased Luffy's own skill.

Did you not read Thriller Bark? Oars is literally a giant with Luffy's skills, intelligence, willpower, memories, and more.

The law of shadows is that whoever has someone else's shadow gains their fighting style and fighting abilities + skill.

Yall are flat out just saying "no".
The_man_with_the_Midas_touch said:
Oar's has Luffy's skills, but he isn't literally a giant Luffy.

Just like Ryuma had different strategies and personality than regular Brook, despite sharing some traits.
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Nierre said:
Much like Ryuma wasn't like Brook.
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???

Ryuma fought exactly like Brook.
It's flat out stated and shown that he has every single one of Brook's techniques, except he's just stronger with his techniques. Brook flat out says "his sword style is the same as mine".
The only reason why Ryuma acting kinda different is because his personality has been overshadowed via being a minion of Moria's for years.
 
KingTempest said:
Ryuma fought exactly like Brook.
It's flat out stated and shown that he has every single one of Brook's techniques, except he's just stronger with his techniques. Brook flat out says "his sword style is the same as mine".
The only reason why Ryuma acting kinda different is because his personality has been overshadowed via being a minion of Moria's for years.
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Wouldn't this just mean he has the same abilities as Luffy, such as Bazooka, Pistol, Rifle, ect.? These are things he has shown. He hasn't shown to have Luffy's technique copying, prediction, reactive evolution, and more.

We have already voted with this (Oars having Luffy's gomu abilities) in mind
 
KingTempest said:
Ryuma fought exactly like Brook.
It's flat out stated and shown that he has every single one of Brook's techniques, except he's just stronger with his techniques. Brook flat out says "his sword style is the same as mine".
The only reason why Ryuma acting kinda different is because his personality has been overshadowed via being a minion of Moria's for years.
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Then I stand corrected on this point.

But I still disagree with Oars being just like Luffy. He was quite literally an oversized baby, and showcased Luffy's skills but not nearly as intelligent as Luffy is. His fight against the strawhats should be as clear as day to anybody who watches One Piece, that while he is a Luffy clone in fighting style, but in personality he's not the same.

And I believe that that is an important factor in this fight. While I think if Luffy fought Diane, the answer would be more clear because Luffy has distinct showings of his fighting style and intelligence in battle time and time again, Oars has only fought once and his showings prove to me that while he has the same abilities as Luffy, his intelligence is clearly his biggest con, contrasted to Luffy.
 
Kachon123 said:
Wouldn't this just mean he has the same abilities as Luffy, such as Bazooka, Pistol, Rifle, ect.?
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No, because we flat out see that he couldn't do those because those abilities are based off of Luffy's biology, but when Moria allowed him to stretch, he could end up doing it.
Kachon123 said:
These are things he has shown. He hasn't shown to have Luffy's technique copying, prediction, reactive evolution, and more.
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When did not showing something mean you didn't have it?
Those are skills of Luffy.

Just like how Jigoro can use the 36 Pound Cannon, which is done by swordsmen with a specific amount of skill, or how Inuppe had Sanji's weakness of not being able to harm a woman, and how Luffy became a skilled swordsman after taking a swordsman's shadow, Oars has his abilities.
Nierre said:
Then I stand corrected on this point.

But I still disagree with Oars being just like Luffy. He was quite literally an oversized baby, and showcased Luffy's skills but not nearly as intelligent as Luffy is. His fight against the strawhats should be as clear as day to anybody who watches One Piece, that while he is a Luffy clone in fighting style, but in personality he's not the same.
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So he can use Luffy's skills but not his personality.
Nierre said:
And I believe that that is an important factor in this fight. While I think if Luffy fought Diane, the answer would be more clear because Luffy has distinct showings of his fighting style and intelligence in battle time and time again, Oars has only fought once and his showings prove to me that while he has the same abilities as Luffy, his intelligence is clearly his biggest con, contrasted to Luffy.
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Here's the reason why.

Those who Moria command become complete fodder when subjected to Moria's full control. Inuppe lost Sanji's personality but still had his fighting capabilities.
The only thing that changes is their memories, yet their fighting style remains. That's why their original memories overlap their new memories, and Inuppe and Jigoro had Sanji and Zoro's rivalry even though they forgot their memories.

Oars still had Luffy's instinct of flinching to attacks until he comprehended his immunity to pain.

And I don't know why we're forgetting that Luffy is an idiot just like Oars, the only thing special is his battle capabilities.

Just like how Ryuma ended up with some of his personality traits of when he was alive, Oars, who was an idiot in his lifetime, retained that alongside Luffy's personality traits and memories. Unfortunately, he hasn't been a zombie with Luffy's shadow to the extent of one like Ryuma who has had Brook's shadow for years.

Oars bodies for my many reasons above
 
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KingTempest said:
No, because we flat out see that he couldn't do those because those abilities are based off of Luffy's biology, but when Moria allowed him to stretch, he could end up doing it.

When did not showing something mean you didn't have it?
Those are skills of Luffy.

Just like how Jigoro can use the 36 Pound Cannon, which is done by swordsmen with a specific amount of skill, or how Inuppe had Sanji's weakness of not being able to harm a woman, and how Luffy became a skilled swordsman after taking a swordsman's shadow, Oars has his abilities.

So he can use Luffy's skills but not his personality.

Here's the reason why.

Those who Moria command become complete fodder when subjected to Moria's full control. Inuppe lost Sanji's personality but still had his fighting capabilities.
The only thing that changes is their memories, yet their fighting style remains. That's why their original memories overlap their new memories, and Inuppe and Jigoro had Sanji and Zoro's rivalry even though they forgot their memories.

Oars still had Luffy's instinct of flinching to attacks until he comprehended his immunity to pain.

And I don't know why we're forgetting that Luffy is an idiot just like Oars, the only thing special is his battle capabilities.

Just like how Ryuma ended up with some of his personality traits of when he was alive, Oars, who was an idiot in his lifetime, retained that alongside Luffy's personality traits and memories. Unfortunately, he hasn't been a zombie with Luffy's shadow to the extent of one like Ryuma who has had Brook's shadow for years.

Oars bodies for my many reasons above
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Keeping my Diane vote. I doubt Oars would be able to handle multiple golems, all that scale above him in AP and dura, earth magic spam, and Diane herself all at the same time.


Heavy Metal also amps her dura and AP
 
Kachon123 said:
Keeping my Diane vote. I doubt Oars would be able to handle multiple golems, all that scale above him in AP and dura, earth magic spam, and Diane herself all at the same time.


Heavy Metal also amps her dura and AP
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Yeah and Diane has prior knowledge(read the op) to beat him so Diane fra
 
Not only does Diane have an Ap and Dura advantage, she also has a massive LS advantage of over 818.5x.

Diane's golems can pin Oars down, while Diane finishes the off with her hammer, breaking his spine.
 
Prior knowledge for Diane means friends restrain him and attack his right arm with rocks slam and tear him apart the diamond wall and heavy metal to protect herself and the queen's embrace and her other powerful abilities to defeat him. Diane wins this after knowing his weakness.
 
KingTempest said:
Literally having Luffy's skill = being equal to Luffy in skill

What in the false equivalence?
I said Oars showcased Luffy's own skill.

Did you not read Thriller Bark? Oars is literally a giant with Luffy's skills, intelligence, willpower, memories, and more.

The law of shadows is that whoever has someone else's shadow gains their fighting style and fighting abilities + skill.

Yall are flat out just saying "no".


???

Ryuma fought exactly like Brook.
It's flat out stated and shown that he has every single one of Brook's techniques, except he's just stronger with his techniques. Brook flat out says "his sword style is the same as mine".
The only reason why Ryuma acting kinda different is because his personality has been overshadowed via being a minion of Moria's for years.
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Have you seen this, this, this, this, this, and this? EDIT SBA means that they are 4km apart so Diane can range spam.
 
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