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Does anyone have the quote where it states Saitama was shrouded in Boros's energy and that's why his clothes didn't burn from re-entry heat?
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Thank you sir
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I've read atmospheric reentry heat can reach temperatures of 3000 degrees. Would it be fair to assume Boros's energy blast are also this temperature?
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Easily
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his blast literally vaporize his ship... It's likely far higher than that tbh
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Yeah I know but I figured this is something we could quantify at least. He already has heat resistance but with his energy he essentially has two layers of it.
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I'm just trying to think of things we may have overlooked tbh. Is there a way to quantify heat via how fast Saitama traveled through the atmosphere?
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he was traveling at sub-rela speeds, so it would be insanely high temperature
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Could make Boros all the more power in a sense. Heat is hard to counter. It makes sense why one mentioned the heat blasts being a threat to Garou. Who already has heat resistance against Orochi.
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Portions (by that I mean almost the whole post) from a good Reddit post that highlights some of my views on the chapter:
"Let's start establishing one thing: a parody story is still a story, so it still needs to adhere to the rules of storytelling, such as foreshadowing threats, avoiding deux ex machinas, keeping characters consistent, respecting character arcs, and paying attention to the tone.
Now, I would argue that the biggest parody element in OPM is Saitama himself. If you pay close attention, aside from his effect on the plot, everyone in the story takes the dramatic events extremely serious. Saitama is there precisely to deflate the tension and make a parody of the "extremely built up shonen villain".
With that said, it should be easier to understand that Garou is not the point of the "parody". He is not "in" on the joke that the readers are - that all his efforts to become the ultimate villain are useless, given Saitama. In fact, he takes his quest very seriously, as most OPM do. However, Garou is developing a character arc, and this character arc has been butchered ever since he started too show too much of his good side, especially after his fight against Bang.
Garou started tearing a guy's arm off, remember that. Then he fought TTM and Mumen Rider, seriously injuring them both, and then he fought monsters and heroes alike. Part of his character was exactly that: to become an unstoppable menace, to lose more and more of his human side to complete his quest. However, if he wakes up, kills VFU, kills PS, does nothing to FF, fights Sage Centipede, helps save the chopper, "teams up" with Metal Bat - it becomes too obvious that his character arc has taken a brutal, sudden shift away from the direction it was going. He is no longer conducting evil regardless of his foe, he is being in fact extremely selective in just hunting monsters now.
Yes, deep down he might be a good guy. Deep down there might have been "hints" that he is not that bad, but these were only supposed to be the shreds of hope that you, reader, can attach yourself to so you can think there might a chance of redemption for him. These hints were supposed to come into play later on, not evolve into straight up good actions thinly disguised by an angry attitude.
Garou turning worse and worse was an expectation created by the manga that is now being poorly subverted. The fact that he is now fighting a random monster that came out of nowhere with almost no foreshadowing makes it even worse - that is just unnecessarily dragging the fight at this point, and absolutely annihilating the tone of despair that was being set up there and then for random comedic relief. Even parodies need to respect tone, and know when to break the tension. Here the tension is being broken too soon."
And another from a comment in the same post:
"I find that people often confuse "stakes" with "drama."
OPM has never had any real stakes, and that's the point. But it's always been dramatic. And you don't need stakes for things to be dramatic. Stakes are something present in the logistics of the plot, while drama is more of an emotional resonance.
In other words, you can be fully aware that there is no real danger in a story. But if the characters feel they are in danger, and that's presented in a believable way, it will still invoke good emotions for the reader. OPM is full of examples. Characters are fighting for their lives, and it's still scary and tense as hell even though we all know Saitama is standing 15 feet away.
The story never having stakes in the past is not an excuse for the manga to have suddenly lost all the dramatic tension now. The story has always been able to balance the dramatic tone with the comedy perfectly well before without losing anything. The fact everyone suddenly finds the new chapters underwhelming and is experience tonal whiplash is not just coincidence.
The final fight before the climax is not be the time to start doing slapstick routines with Saitama and a frenemy sitcom with Garou and Metal Bat."
"Let's start establishing one thing: a parody story is still a story, so it still needs to adhere to the rules of storytelling, such as foreshadowing threats, avoiding deux ex machinas, keeping characters consistent, respecting character arcs, and paying attention to the tone.
Now, I would argue that the biggest parody element in OPM is Saitama himself. If you pay close attention, aside from his effect on the plot, everyone in the story takes the dramatic events extremely serious. Saitama is there precisely to deflate the tension and make a parody of the "extremely built up shonen villain".
With that said, it should be easier to understand that Garou is not the point of the "parody". He is not "in" on the joke that the readers are - that all his efforts to become the ultimate villain are useless, given Saitama. In fact, he takes his quest very seriously, as most OPM do. However, Garou is developing a character arc, and this character arc has been butchered ever since he started too show too much of his good side, especially after his fight against Bang.
Garou started tearing a guy's arm off, remember that. Then he fought TTM and Mumen Rider, seriously injuring them both, and then he fought monsters and heroes alike. Part of his character was exactly that: to become an unstoppable menace, to lose more and more of his human side to complete his quest. However, if he wakes up, kills VFU, kills PS, does nothing to FF, fights Sage Centipede, helps save the chopper, "teams up" with Metal Bat - it becomes too obvious that his character arc has taken a brutal, sudden shift away from the direction it was going. He is no longer conducting evil regardless of his foe, he is being in fact extremely selective in just hunting monsters now.
Yes, deep down he might be a good guy. Deep down there might have been "hints" that he is not that bad, but these were only supposed to be the shreds of hope that you, reader, can attach yourself to so you can think there might a chance of redemption for him. These hints were supposed to come into play later on, not evolve into straight up good actions thinly disguised by an angry attitude.
Garou turning worse and worse was an expectation created by the manga that is now being poorly subverted. The fact that he is now fighting a random monster that came out of nowhere with almost no foreshadowing makes it even worse - that is just unnecessarily dragging the fight at this point, and absolutely annihilating the tone of despair that was being set up there and then for random comedic relief. Even parodies need to respect tone, and know when to break the tension. Here the tension is being broken too soon."
And another from a comment in the same post:
"I find that people often confuse "stakes" with "drama."
OPM has never had any real stakes, and that's the point. But it's always been dramatic. And you don't need stakes for things to be dramatic. Stakes are something present in the logistics of the plot, while drama is more of an emotional resonance.
In other words, you can be fully aware that there is no real danger in a story. But if the characters feel they are in danger, and that's presented in a believable way, it will still invoke good emotions for the reader. OPM is full of examples. Characters are fighting for their lives, and it's still scary and tense as hell even though we all know Saitama is standing 15 feet away.
The story never having stakes in the past is not an excuse for the manga to have suddenly lost all the dramatic tension now. The story has always been able to balance the dramatic tone with the comedy perfectly well before without losing anything. The fact everyone suddenly finds the new chapters underwhelming and is experience tonal whiplash is not just coincidence.
The final fight before the climax is not be the time to start doing slapstick routines with Saitama and a frenemy sitcom with Garou and Metal Bat."
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Beautiful
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Almost 100% completely agree. Only thing I'm partial on is the very end where it says Saitama doing something funny is unneeded and unwanted. I mean, yeah, it isn't narratively impactful by any means, but I definitely don't dislike it. I think the Saitama section was the best part of the chapter by a big margin, actually. But other than that the post almost perfectly encapsulates my views.
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Well since everyone else has done it, i might aswell give my 2 cents here. If the latest chapter was a one shot comedy one (meaning every other chapter from now on will keep a consistent serious tone) then personally im fine with it and have no problem forgetting about it really. Now on the other hand, if this is a pattern where we get some serious chapters and then some goof balls then that just demolishes the tone of the arc and especially the climax. For now, i remain optimistic that in the end everything will turn out well and i hope ONE and Murata don't prove me wrong.
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Yes. Saitama vs EOW was the best part of the chapter and I think an overall fine, as long as EOW isn't dead for spoiler reasons.
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indeed
we need the iconic backhanded punch after garou ignores saitama and senses EOW
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The audiobook thing is just Genos not being able to properly measure Saitama's physical strength. As for his interaction with Glasses, there's a whole 3 year period where Saitama was one-shotting opponents he might have had difficulty with prior.
The narrative thing is just their own take on the situation, so I don't have to address it.
The narrative thing is just their own take on the situation, so I don't have to address it.
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Hey guys its been a while and I just caught up, the last few chapter were great especially the fight between FF, Garou and PS. Also noticed that they got updated to possibly high 7-A, finally more 7-A OPM.
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The reason for Saitama one-shotting himself from the previous day is left a mystery on purpose. Saitama saying it's unreliable data was literally just him trying to come up with a random explanation so he finally could get Genos to fix the wall. On the other hand, it is indeed simulated versions of Saitama, and while it isn't supposed to be a legitimate explanation, Saitama himself does at the end of the day say it's just unreliable data. Regardless, Saitama being able to one-shot himself from the previous day is just speculation, and if it were true, that'd honestly just be silly, even for Saitama standards, and would mean that the Saitama who fights Garou is likely thousands of times stronger than the one who fights Boros, if not more, which is wrong for so many reasons.
Genos has absolutely no idea who or what Boros was, let alone how powerful he is. That is completely random and blatantly wrong. The only earthling who ever knew Boros was Saitama. I have no idea what he means by Genos saying that CSRC is planet level in the databook. And Genos' statements about Gouketsu are barely even reliable at all. The best I'd say is that it should place Gouketsu substantially above Carnage Kabuto, maybe even the meteor if you really wanted to be out there with it, but saying it makes Gouketsu even close to, let alone above Boros' level, is absolutely ridiculous. Not to mention, Genos doesn't actually say he thinks Saitama can't win, he says that Gouketsu's menacing "aura" of sorts reminds him of Saitama, and that he's so strong, Genos believes the only SAFE method would be to have Saitama and the S-Class team up. That isn't the same as Genos thinking Saitama can't beat him, he's saying he doesn't want to risk it.
Genos has absolutely no idea who or what Boros was, let alone how powerful he is. That is completely random and blatantly wrong. The only earthling who ever knew Boros was Saitama. I have no idea what he means by Genos saying that CSRC is planet level in the databook. And Genos' statements about Gouketsu are barely even reliable at all. The best I'd say is that it should place Gouketsu substantially above Carnage Kabuto, maybe even the meteor if you really wanted to be out there with it, but saying it makes Gouketsu even close to, let alone above Boros' level, is absolutely ridiculous. Not to mention, Genos doesn't actually say he thinks Saitama can't win, he says that Gouketsu's menacing "aura" of sorts reminds him of Saitama, and that he's so strong, Genos believes the only SAFE method would be to have Saitama and the S-Class team up. That isn't the same as Genos thinking Saitama can't beat him, he's saying he doesn't want to risk it.
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about to be 6-C OPM, just waiting for the next chapter to make CRT
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Even though it'd be extremely inconsistent, I'm praying that Darkshine somehow ends up scaling to the current contenders, not only to buff him, but to buff everyone above him.
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how would it be inconsistent?
The only people who will scale to 6-C as of this moment are:
- Sage Centipede
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- Evolved Pre-Awakening Garou
- possibly fighting spirit Metal Bat
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He got knocked out and visibly harmed by Golden Sperm punching him. Garou>Platinum Sperm>>>Golden Sperm>>>>>>>>>>Darkshine. Darkshine somehow scaling even remotely to current Garou would be weird.
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OH! I read your previous comment wrong. I thought you said the 6-C scaling was inconsistent. My bad.
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And yeah if Metal Bat somehow fights on par with current Garou, that's not gonna be great for OPM scaling consistency.
Forget his previous fight with Hero Hunter Garou. The fact that a 100 cell Black Sperm merge was able to dodge Metal Bat with relative ease would make a 100 cell Black Sperm scale to Garou in speed...who beat Platinum Sperm...who is comprised of over a trillion cells.
Forget his previous fight with Hero Hunter Garou. The fact that a 100 cell Black Sperm merge was able to dodge Metal Bat with relative ease would make a 100 cell Black Sperm scale to Garou in speed...who beat Platinum Sperm...who is comprised of over a trillion cells.
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Although based on what we see in the webcomic, it will likely start to have diminishing returns eventually, and Garou will just get overwhelmed by a certain bald guy.
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It only works if Metal Bat has some crazy Reactive Power level amps before he goes on to fight Garou. Since at the moment, Garou is being depicted as hilariously more powerful than him.
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the webcomic Reactive Evolution is more broken IMO. And I also like how it is depicted a bit more.
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Yeah, MB isn't even able to track Garou once he actually tries to attack SC.
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Honestly I wouldn't have even minded it if Metal Bat fought Garou after getting a huge boost. Like, if he got hit with an almost if not fatal blow and was immediately boosted to that level, I wouldn't even mind it. But if Metal Bat fights Garou evenly after getting a little bruised and scratched...
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Yeah, but it took more time to get stronger. Fighting PS a few milliseconds ago and then one -shotting him; it's crazy how fast he is growing in power.
I personally liked the Manga version of Garou vs Darkshine far more in depiction. It felt so forceful, like breaking through actual chains or something.
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Like imagine a Garou matchup here and we could just say "Garou reactive evolution GG".
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One of the best overlooked showcases of his reactive evolution is when he got much faster dodging Orochi's horns over the course of like, 2 panels.
https://media.**********.net/attachments/815059415178543127/937197123320025099/unknown.png?width=694&height=644
Almost perfectly visible to becoming a barely recognizable blur in probably less than a second.
https://media.**********.net/attachments/815059415178543127/937197123320025099/unknown.png?width=694&height=644
Almost perfectly visible to becoming a barely recognizable blur in probably less than a second.
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True.Honestly I wouldn't have even minded it if Metal Bat fought Garou after getting a huge boost. Like, if he got hit with an almost if not fatal blow and was immediately boosted to that level, I wouldn't even mind it. But if Metal Bat fights Garou evenly after getting a little bruised and scratched...
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what if he steps on a lego tho?
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The lego would just get crushed...
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Ew what the ****
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Garou evolves to become immune to legos
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