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i've wanted to make this thread for a while now, i'll hopefully be upgrading darkstars & cosmic court champs into uni+ as well as addressing some of the old counter-arguments to this rating
The Upgrade :
now we've got alot of statements that do strongly imply universal+ levels of power.
champion quotes :
"It turns out the scythe was evil and wants to annihilate all reality. Who could've guessed?"
"The entrails of countless realities are shattering in my wake!"
"I've destroyed realities. What threat is this beast?"
"Nobody devours all of existence on my watch! I live in there."
LoR shyvana quote :
"I will rend this universe with sharpened claws and consume the whole of this terrible existence."
note : you gotta pause the video to see it
The Counter Arguments :
1-now the first argument ppl will throw against this revision is that the darkstars dont destroy universes via their own power, instead they feed planets, stars, galaxies etc... to the darkstar god, then that god destroys the universe.
this is infact not true, saying that is a false generalization, only thresh and kha'zix have been stated to feed the darkstar, this should be something execlusive only to them, infact the others have explicitly been stated to erase and destroy stuff via their own power lets check their biographys for proof :
thresh & kha'zix's bios :
A cosmic nightmare who worships the all-consuming Dark Star, Thresh vows to feed the whole of existence to his “god” until all matter, time, and thought are erased. His work will be complete when nothing remains, freeing him to finally leap into the singularity and become one with the end of the universe.
The hunger of the abyss, Kha'Zix is an alien horror whose ceaseless appetite feeds the Dark Star. Appearing before planets like a titanic locust, it devours all it encounters—the power of a hundred thousand stars fueling its evolution into an ever-greater threat.
everyone elses :
Once the right hand of Queen Ashe, Lux embraced the darkness in her heart, answering the mad call of the Dark Star. Finally seeing the truth, she rejects the Cosmic Court, instead serving her own dark ambition to quiet the banal noise of creation. For she now knows her true fate—to reign as Queen of a Dark Court, and rightful master of the Dark Star.
Shaco was once a region of space known for raucous celebration, wiped clean by the Dark Star and reborn into the mocking visage of a jester. His twisted cackling reaches inhabited systems long before he does, provoking visions of destruction, and societal breakdowns that will soon feed his endless hunger.
Once a member of the Cosmic Court, Mordekaiser vanished from known space for an epoch—until now. Reborn and returned from an unknown destruction, Mordekaiser seems bent on unmaking the kingdoms of stars and light he once built. Though he still bears his Cosmic armor, the mind and figure within has been twisted and reforged to know only hatred and destruction.
Spawned from the remnants of a star system crippled by famine, Cho'Gath is driven to feed on any celestial body that crosses his path. These feasts swirl into the twin black holes at his heart—as endless and ageless as his hunger.
Jhin was an interstellar entity, consumed by the Dark Star and given new purpose. Now his ageless mind is infected by visions of omnipotence, and consumed by an insatiable hunger. He scours entire regions of space seemingly on a whim, using the remnants to create bizarre, silent objets d'art.
Karma was a galaxy-spanning civilization dedicated to pacifism and personal enlightenment, unceremoniously erased from reality and reborn as a star-consuming horror. Devouring entire galactic systems, she enforces a dread order upon the cosmos, meditating in the vast oceans of emptiness where once there were stars.
Born out of the remnants of a magnificently advanced system, Orianna serves the Dark Star with meticulous precision. She dances across galaxies in an endlessly horrifying performance, the only witness is the silent trail of destruction left in her wake.
Once a cosmic entity charged with identifying future threats to the cosmos, her hunger for ever greater knowledge drew her into conflict with the Dark Star, which consumed her. Transformed into a mad doomsayer who sees a “true” universe in the ashes of this one, she has become the very end she once feared.
The remnants of a once lush and enormous exo-planet, the Dark Star consumed and reformed the broken cluster of planetary debris into a twisted consciousness, ever pulling others into its orbit, and unleashing oblivion upon all who cross its path.
An interstellar titan containing multitudes within his eldritch mind, Varus serves the all-consuming Dark Star, a dread singularity born in the darkness of deep space. His arrival is a cataclysmic extinction event, erasing entire planetary systems as if they were never there.
As the Dark Star continued on its path across space, it passed through a vibrant system orbiting a supergiant star. Consuming all life and light as it passed , the Dark Star twisted the supergiant into a wrathful corruptant. Thus, Xerath was born—a dark being of malice and annihilation.
A mortal emperor unbound by the destruction of his world, Jarvan's essence has since been reforged by the ageless energies of deep space. His humanity and his people now lost forever, he stands ready to welcome the Dark Star incursion, in the final subjugation of all existence.
notice that execpt for the former 2, no one has been stated to feed the darkstar, while some of them were stated to destroy stuff via their own power (Varus, Cho'Gath, Malphite, Ori etc..)
well now you might thinking, how are any of these direct feats universal in power? they're not, however there's the champion quotes :
"It turns out the scythe was evil and wants to annihilate all reality. Who could've guessed?"
here rhaast states that he intends to destroy all reality and its not via feeding anything to the darkstar, since there's no proof that he does that, as he is in an alternate dimension far away from the darkstar itself.
"The entrails of countless realities are shattering in my wake!"
rhaast now further in the game (since he only says the last quote during his first move) flat out says that he shattered realitys (interpretation could vary here, as the statement sounds multiversal in nature since its refering to the present not the past but i wont go there to avoid controversy).
"Nobody devours all of existence on my watch! I live in there."
"I will rend this universe with sharpened claws and consume the whole of this terrible existence."
now both of these have something to do with devouring existence, but it is probably not the darkstar god that is doing this, to prove that the corruptants could devour stuff without the darkstar, look at the cho'gaths bio, he's been stated to devour stuff via the black hole inside him, not the darkstar, and if you look at shyvana's, she's saying that she would consume existence not the dark star god, again this all proves that they are capable of universal destruction on their own,
"I've destroyed realities. What threat is this beast?"
now to this, you might be wondering why i am including threshs quote to this when i already estabilished he could destroy the universe via feeding the darkstar, well this is because seemingly eveyone from the previous threads on this topic ignores the context of the statement, this is said when thresh is attacking baron nashor, as a result this being a referral to the darkstar destroying universes is very unlikely as thresh here is flat out comparing his own power to that of the barons, why would thresh refer to his "god" destroying something as part of his own power, it wouldnt make any logical sense.
now as i proved the darkstar corruptants dont need the dark star to destroy universes, lets move into the second argument
2- all of these feats have no specific timeframe, therefore they're all overtime thus they wont count as AP.
now even if that is true (which it isnt because it's baseless and relies on the darkstar being fed which i debunked earlier)
this wont affect their AP, all these feats are tier 2 in nature, since they involve universes, realitys, all of existence etc,
so they're still tier 2 no matter if they are done overtime or not.
3-if they could destroy universes then why wont they? they have been consistently stated to destroy solar systems & galaxies, so it wouldnt make sense for them not to destroy the universe in one go
this one is by far the easiest to debunk, because for 1, they already have, refer to rhaast & threshs statement for proof
2, they cant do that in the event horizon universe because there are forces that could stop them, I.E the Cosmic Court
Conclusion :
as far as i see it, darkstar corruptants & the cosmic court should be rated as "At least Low 2-C" for the evidence i provided above and the possibility of them being higher since the "all of existence" statements could be referring to something more than 1 universe as well as rhaasts statement
Agree : Knight, jackpact, mister, rocker, DDM, lightning, gliver, ultima, zencha
Disagree :
Neutral : elizhaa
The Upgrade :
now we've got alot of statements that do strongly imply universal+ levels of power.
champion quotes :
"It turns out the scythe was evil and wants to annihilate all reality. Who could've guessed?"
"The entrails of countless realities are shattering in my wake!"
"I've destroyed realities. What threat is this beast?"
"Nobody devours all of existence on my watch! I live in there."
LoR shyvana quote :
"I will rend this universe with sharpened claws and consume the whole of this terrible existence."
note : you gotta pause the video to see it
The Counter Arguments :
1-now the first argument ppl will throw against this revision is that the darkstars dont destroy universes via their own power, instead they feed planets, stars, galaxies etc... to the darkstar god, then that god destroys the universe.
this is infact not true, saying that is a false generalization, only thresh and kha'zix have been stated to feed the darkstar, this should be something execlusive only to them, infact the others have explicitly been stated to erase and destroy stuff via their own power lets check their biographys for proof :
thresh & kha'zix's bios :
A cosmic nightmare who worships the all-consuming Dark Star, Thresh vows to feed the whole of existence to his “god” until all matter, time, and thought are erased. His work will be complete when nothing remains, freeing him to finally leap into the singularity and become one with the end of the universe.
The hunger of the abyss, Kha'Zix is an alien horror whose ceaseless appetite feeds the Dark Star. Appearing before planets like a titanic locust, it devours all it encounters—the power of a hundred thousand stars fueling its evolution into an ever-greater threat.
everyone elses :
Once the right hand of Queen Ashe, Lux embraced the darkness in her heart, answering the mad call of the Dark Star. Finally seeing the truth, she rejects the Cosmic Court, instead serving her own dark ambition to quiet the banal noise of creation. For she now knows her true fate—to reign as Queen of a Dark Court, and rightful master of the Dark Star.
Shaco was once a region of space known for raucous celebration, wiped clean by the Dark Star and reborn into the mocking visage of a jester. His twisted cackling reaches inhabited systems long before he does, provoking visions of destruction, and societal breakdowns that will soon feed his endless hunger.
Once a member of the Cosmic Court, Mordekaiser vanished from known space for an epoch—until now. Reborn and returned from an unknown destruction, Mordekaiser seems bent on unmaking the kingdoms of stars and light he once built. Though he still bears his Cosmic armor, the mind and figure within has been twisted and reforged to know only hatred and destruction.
Spawned from the remnants of a star system crippled by famine, Cho'Gath is driven to feed on any celestial body that crosses his path. These feasts swirl into the twin black holes at his heart—as endless and ageless as his hunger.
Jhin was an interstellar entity, consumed by the Dark Star and given new purpose. Now his ageless mind is infected by visions of omnipotence, and consumed by an insatiable hunger. He scours entire regions of space seemingly on a whim, using the remnants to create bizarre, silent objets d'art.
Karma was a galaxy-spanning civilization dedicated to pacifism and personal enlightenment, unceremoniously erased from reality and reborn as a star-consuming horror. Devouring entire galactic systems, she enforces a dread order upon the cosmos, meditating in the vast oceans of emptiness where once there were stars.
Born out of the remnants of a magnificently advanced system, Orianna serves the Dark Star with meticulous precision. She dances across galaxies in an endlessly horrifying performance, the only witness is the silent trail of destruction left in her wake.
Once a cosmic entity charged with identifying future threats to the cosmos, her hunger for ever greater knowledge drew her into conflict with the Dark Star, which consumed her. Transformed into a mad doomsayer who sees a “true” universe in the ashes of this one, she has become the very end she once feared.
The remnants of a once lush and enormous exo-planet, the Dark Star consumed and reformed the broken cluster of planetary debris into a twisted consciousness, ever pulling others into its orbit, and unleashing oblivion upon all who cross its path.
An interstellar titan containing multitudes within his eldritch mind, Varus serves the all-consuming Dark Star, a dread singularity born in the darkness of deep space. His arrival is a cataclysmic extinction event, erasing entire planetary systems as if they were never there.
As the Dark Star continued on its path across space, it passed through a vibrant system orbiting a supergiant star. Consuming all life and light as it passed , the Dark Star twisted the supergiant into a wrathful corruptant. Thus, Xerath was born—a dark being of malice and annihilation.
A mortal emperor unbound by the destruction of his world, Jarvan's essence has since been reforged by the ageless energies of deep space. His humanity and his people now lost forever, he stands ready to welcome the Dark Star incursion, in the final subjugation of all existence.
notice that execpt for the former 2, no one has been stated to feed the darkstar, while some of them were stated to destroy stuff via their own power (Varus, Cho'Gath, Malphite, Ori etc..)
well now you might thinking, how are any of these direct feats universal in power? they're not, however there's the champion quotes :
"It turns out the scythe was evil and wants to annihilate all reality. Who could've guessed?"
here rhaast states that he intends to destroy all reality and its not via feeding anything to the darkstar, since there's no proof that he does that, as he is in an alternate dimension far away from the darkstar itself.
"The entrails of countless realities are shattering in my wake!"
rhaast now further in the game (since he only says the last quote during his first move) flat out says that he shattered realitys (interpretation could vary here, as the statement sounds multiversal in nature since its refering to the present not the past but i wont go there to avoid controversy).
"Nobody devours all of existence on my watch! I live in there."
"I will rend this universe with sharpened claws and consume the whole of this terrible existence."
now both of these have something to do with devouring existence, but it is probably not the darkstar god that is doing this, to prove that the corruptants could devour stuff without the darkstar, look at the cho'gaths bio, he's been stated to devour stuff via the black hole inside him, not the darkstar, and if you look at shyvana's, she's saying that she would consume existence not the dark star god, again this all proves that they are capable of universal destruction on their own,
"I've destroyed realities. What threat is this beast?"
now to this, you might be wondering why i am including threshs quote to this when i already estabilished he could destroy the universe via feeding the darkstar, well this is because seemingly eveyone from the previous threads on this topic ignores the context of the statement, this is said when thresh is attacking baron nashor, as a result this being a referral to the darkstar destroying universes is very unlikely as thresh here is flat out comparing his own power to that of the barons, why would thresh refer to his "god" destroying something as part of his own power, it wouldnt make any logical sense.
now as i proved the darkstar corruptants dont need the dark star to destroy universes, lets move into the second argument
2- all of these feats have no specific timeframe, therefore they're all overtime thus they wont count as AP.
now even if that is true (which it isnt because it's baseless and relies on the darkstar being fed which i debunked earlier)
this wont affect their AP, all these feats are tier 2 in nature, since they involve universes, realitys, all of existence etc,
so they're still tier 2 no matter if they are done overtime or not.
3-if they could destroy universes then why wont they? they have been consistently stated to destroy solar systems & galaxies, so it wouldnt make sense for them not to destroy the universe in one go
this one is by far the easiest to debunk, because for 1, they already have, refer to rhaast & threshs statement for proof
2, they cant do that in the event horizon universe because there are forces that could stop them, I.E the Cosmic Court
Conclusion :
as far as i see it, darkstar corruptants & the cosmic court should be rated as "At least Low 2-C" for the evidence i provided above and the possibility of them being higher since the "all of existence" statements could be referring to something more than 1 universe as well as rhaasts statement
Agree : Knight, jackpact, mister, rocker, DDM, lightning, gliver, ultima, zencha
Disagree :
Neutral : elizhaa
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