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[Tetsucabrah]

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how is it not touching? Are you seeing something that I'm not?

 

[ByAsura]

Again, it's called perspective. They're not touching, the mountain is obscuring the cloud. Notice how the same thing happens to the higher cloud layer in this photo.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

I'm sorry, genuinely but I don't understand what you mean.
The only thing that I think makes the perspective weird are the trees.

 

[ByAsura]

I showed you a photo in the one before this, but you must have missed the edit.

Notice how the clouds in the foreground look like they're above the level of the mountains, but the ones in the background look like they're behind it? That's perspective. Here's another example. The clouds are so massive and at such a high altitude that they look like they're at the same level as the mountains from certain positions, like at or below the level of the peaks themselves.

Plus, once again, the crater size is inconsistent with that kind of height, and we don't see the full mountains in that shot. The trees you talk about actually kind of proves my point.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

You keep editing and I keep missing the things you've been adding yeah.

 

[Kachon123]

I meant upper layer (as in crust), or the civilization layer (even more commonly referred to as "surface" than the crust layer) as an alternative.

Thats also a huge assumption.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Also this doesn't affect your calc much but Dr Genus says the building is 8 stories.

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[ByAsura]

@Kacho So is assuming that the entire crust will be blown away. They don't actually say the crust, just the surface.

@Tetsu Could I have the panel?

Edit: Found it. Thank you for telling me.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Also each floor apparently is big enough to have multiple traps.

 

[ByAsura]

Given the size of the door that Genos and Saitama are next to, I'd still say it's fairly small for an 8-storey building. 3 m per floor seems reasonable, and every other corridor in this chapter seems to be about that size.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Where do we see the size of the corridors?

 

[Kachon123]

@Kacho So is assuming that the entire crust will be blown away. They don't actually say the crust, just the surface.

The definition of surface is the uppermost layer of something. Boros said, "...wipe you out together with this planet's surface." If hes talking about the planet's surface (uppermost layer), he would obviously be talking about the crust, which includes the oceanic crust. As we know, water can't get burned. We cant use scorching for CSRC.

 

[ByAsura]

Surface means outside or uppermost layer, actually. So it literally can be both by definition. Think about it, 'polishing the surface' refers to the outside and not the uppermost layer.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

@Kachon123 How do we know that when he's says planet surface, he's taking into a account the oceanic crust? Afaik, most exoplanets don't have an ocean of liquid

 

[ByAsura]

In all fairness, he'd need to be blind or not have some kind of sensors to not know that the Earth has oceans.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

He arrived in a spaceship, there's no way he didn't see the water lol

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Or I guess he wasn't referring to earth in general? Like, he spends most of his time in his throne room, which has now windows or cameras, and the first the ship did when it went to earth was go to City A, not sight seeing

 

[Tetsucabrah]

How much power does it take to destroy the atmosphere around the earth?

 

[ByAsura]

I actually found a calculation from the Manhattan Project that pegs it at Country level.

 

[Kachon123]

@Kachon123 How do we know that when he's says planet surface, he's taking into a account the oceanic crust? Afaik, most exoplanets don't have an ocean of liquid

Like Tetsu said, theres no way he didn't know or see oceans when arriving at earth. He would know how to get to the continental and oceanic crusts.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Would it be okay to add that to the CSRC calc? I mean it doesn't move the number up that much and it's a pretty fair assumption imo.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Except, can you prove he saw it tho? He spends most of his time in his throne room. If you look at the room, how could he have seen what's outside? Plus, he could even just be referring to planets in general.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Doesn't Boros have a monitor in front of him? I might be wrong.

 

[ByAsura]

He does, IIRC. It's likely that he'd know there's water if there's organic life, as well.

Anyway, the new high-end is Large Town level.

 

[Kachon123]

Plus, even if we discard the whole, "crust, or no crusts" arguments, Oceans are part of the earth's surface, and you can't "wipe out" oceans by scorching, so scorching is still out of the window.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

He doesn't. The throne room only contains pillars and his throne

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Plus, even if we discard the whole, "crust, or no crusts" arguments, Oceans are part of the earth's surface, and you can't "wipe out" oceans by scorching, so scorching is still out of the window.

Isn't that what we're arguing as well? What are you proposing exactly?

I think using the 183 petaton explosion calc is probably the safest method for now

 

[ByAsura]

Plus, even if we discard the whole, "crust, or no crusts" arguments, Oceans are part of the earth's surface, and you can't "wipe out" oceans by scorching, so scorching is still out of the window.

Most of the surface is measured above the ocean. Also, he could just not be vaporizing the ocean like he would be scorching land.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

I swear there's a scan where Boros is looking at Saitama on a monitor.

 

[Kachon123]

Isn't that what we're arguing as well? What are you proposing exactly?

I think using the 183 petaton explosion calc is probably the safest method for now

Well, to wipe out means to eliminate completely, so wouldn't vaporization also work?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Except why vaporization? Boros's attacks don't even do that

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I swear there's a scan where Boros is looking at Saitama on a monitor.

That's only when he walks towards the control room

 

[Tetsucabrah]

He does, IIRC. It's likely that he'd know there's water if there's organic life, as well.

Anyway, the new high-end is Large Town level.

So it barely changed then.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

That's only when he walks towards the control room

Oh okay.
I still absolutely do not agree with the assumption that Boros doesn't know the planet he's on has water tho. lol
Regardless of how it changes the feat, it's just a dumb assumption.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Wait the OVAs were confirmed canon recently right?

 

[ByAsura]

They don't say vaporize/sear, smoulder/disintegrate, melt, etc. They just say scorch. Even if you want to say that doesn't work, then fine, you've invalidated the original. What's the point in tacking on a completely unproven method just because it's heat based?

Another thing is that oceans don't melt either. They're already liquid and would just boil away into vapour. So I can't even believe that I'm getting so much slack for this when part of the counter argument is that it must affect the ocean.

Here's an idea. Why don't we just avoid giving it a calculation entirely and just mention these discrepancies in a note on the page? That seems like a far more logical course of action than making huge assumptions to me.

@Tetsu Both ends were like 50% higher. The high end is also a little higher than the original.

 

[Six_fold_god]

CSRC is 1586 petatons.

If some of CSRC's energy survived the Serious Punch, that was because Saitama A) underestimated how much energy he needed to cancel CSRC by a little or B) said energy was outside the Serious Punch's area of effect. Since Saitama is normally pretty good at proportioning the power of his punches for his enemies, I think it's B), that also makes sense the way the serious punch and CSRC were fanning out from their respective origin points

Well. In addition to the direct frontal impact of Saitama's punch, only the impact on the back side showed a larger area of impact than the original area of the csrc. I disagreement that the scope isn't good enough.

 

[LordTracer]

Well, to wipe out means to eliminate completely, so wouldn't vaporization also work?

You can’t use vaporization without it being stated and/or there’s visible vapor.

 

[Ourosboros]

Some forms of concrete melt, some forms also don't because they just completely lose integrity. Even the site you nabbed from (a Quora-esque site, no less) says this. If it can melt the surface of the planet, that's completely up to you to prove because we don't actually have any statement suggesting he can. Also, you were the one who brought up the argument that stone doesn't scorch, I'm just debunking that argument and showing that it actually scorches before it melts.

Firey as they are (something I never disagreed with and can also prove my point), Boros' blasts produce destructive shockwaves even more than they melt stuff. You need to read the manga again.

It could very well scorch the surface, though. Also, as I told Emirp, noting suggests that the entire crust of the planet will be scorched, surface can just refer to the top layer and not the crust/upper crust. Notably, you can't scorch water in the first place, and many surface-wiping feats/statements actually don't refer to the literal crust of the entire planet.

No, vaporization is pulled out of thin air. Literally nothing suggests full-scale vaporization and melting.

Concrete isn't stone, it's a composite material. I know you already know that, my point is that saying that concrete doesn't melt in a typical fashion has nothing to do with whether or not stone "scorches". When I say "scorch" I am referring to the combustion process. Broadly, we could take scorching to mean disfiguring a substance. When you do that to stone, particularly heat resistant stone like granite, it melts. Granite does not start deforming in such a fashion until it is pretty much melting and that is 75% of the crust that is being destroyed here. If you heat up the atmosphere high enough to scorch all of the crust (AKA melt it), you're probably just making the process more energy intensive. After all, CSRC needs to effect nearly all of the crust, if that energy is being transmitted through the atmosphere first it's going to be a lot more inefficient that it would be if we looked at the energy to heat up all the crust to said point, just because of the surface area problem. And the ocean problem.

I see that there's something I don't understand here, I thought that A) concrete was a mixture of various silicates and other components B) each component has a melting point and C) when all of those melting points are reached, you would have a liquid substance- that is to say the concrete has melted. What does "losing integrity" mean, if not the various substances turning into a liquid? Do most forms of concrete remain a solid until they are heated up so much that they vaporize, never or only briefly becoming a liquid?

Telling me to reread the manga isn't going to help. Do you know how much time I spent working on the CSRC calc? 20 hours. I reread the chapter too many times to count and analyzed each panel with destruction as I did so. So I must be missing something else- when you say that you see shockwaves, can you trace what you're referring to? I don't see any shockwave lines/cloud deformation/other shockwave indicators when I read chapters 35 and 36 and look at Boros's blasts. Are you looking at the giant plumes of flame (there's arguably some smoke in there as well) and categorizing these as shockwaves?

 

[Six_fold_god]

Can someone give me the exact criteria for determining if One statement is valid?