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Lord of the Rings revisions

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I did a singular volcano calc back in like 2017-2018 and never again, at the time I calc'd it via heat. IRL volcano eruptions apparently mostly calc the blast and heat dispersal, though KE is generally fine (just that Jason's math brought him to normal-looking lava going at like Rel speeds, so)
 
If I may ask a general question to the feat: Isn't Mount Doom a semi-active volcano anyways? That is to say, do we even have any estimate to how much of the energy of the eruption was contributed by Sauron and how much was just the volcano naturally erupting due to being a volcano?
Sauron clearly triggered the eruption, but does that mean that the volcano itself contributed nothing?
 
Well, this is a fantasy world, so it seems more convenient to assume that he caused the eruption on his own, but I am not sure.
 
The Ring getting melted by Mount Doom's superlava and eye of Sauron's final scream "NO!" is what triggered the reaction.
 
DontTalkDT said:
If I may ask a general question to the feat: Isn't Mount Doom a semi-active volcano anyways? That is to say, do we even have any estimate to how much of the energy of the eruption was contributed by Sauron and how much was just the volcano naturally erupting due to being a volcano?
Sauron clearly triggered the eruption, but does that mean that the volcano itself contributed nothing?
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Sauron has explicit control over Mount Doom, its referenced it was silent until he returned so its mostly him

Now Sauron prepared war against the Eldar and the Men of Westernesse, and the fires of the Mountain were wakened again. Wherefore seeing the smoke of Orodruin from afar, and perceiving that Sauron had returned, the Numenoreans named that mountain anew Amon Amarth, which is Mount Doom.
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Therefore, after a time he made war upon the Exiles, before they should take root. Orodrúin burst once more into flame, and was named anew in Gondor Amon Amarth, Mount Doom
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Turgon followed Túrin, but of his time it is chiefly remembered that two years ere his death, Sauron arose again, and declared himself openly; and he re-entered Mordor long prepared for him. Then Barad-dûr was raised once more, and Mount Doom burst into flame
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Armorchompy said:
It'd be one hell of a coincidence if the volcano just erupted at the same time. Kinda funny to imagine, but I don't think we should account for that
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I'm not saying it just randomly happened at the same time. But a real volcano doesn't erupt from one moment to the other. Before that magma starts collecting and a bunch of pressure builds and stuff.
I think it's possible to trigger the explosion of a volcano early by, say, an explosion or an earthquake. Earthquakes triggering volcanos is in fact known to happen.

Hellbeast said:
Sauron has explicit control over Mount Doom, its referenced it was silent until he returned so its mostly him
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Does controlling it imply not using the natural mechanisms to power the volcano?
 
DontTalkDT said:
Does controlling it imply not using the natural mechanisms to power the volcano?
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Potentially, Sauron is referenced as controlling the fires of the Earth in I believe Tolkien’s letters which could imply it’s him manipulating magma

I definitely still think it’s mostly a feat for him though since he’s still willing it to erupt and he may scale to Angcalagon (he’s referenced as Morgoth’s mightiest servant but that’s something I’m researching more)
 
Does this trigger a question: How big an earthquake is required to trigger a certain level of volcano eruption and what is the formula?
 
Can somebody summarise what we currently need to do here please?
 
The calc seems to be accepted, so I supposed it can be applied? I don't know if the scaling could be a bit different though but I'd expect downscales at best.
 
Okay. Thank you. That is probably fine then.

Is somebody willing to apply this revision in practice?
 
I do not know, but if you tell me who were involved, I can ask them to respond here.
 
Okay. Can you link to it here so I can check please?
 
I would like to confess:

Speedy @DBW advised: (For the book feat)
links a fanon wiki as the source for Mordor's size
fanon wiki says Mordor lengthwise is 600 miles
using the actual map gets like 470 miles at the widest
so this calc used a fake number from a fanon wiki and didn't even notice
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So... where can we find the actual diameter of the area Mordor so as to prove Mordor IS 470 miles at the widest?

(I updated the calculations using Wikipedia data atm. Please adviuse if the Wikipedia data is accurate for Gandalf sake.)



I need to sleep now; I will test the Kieran method for the movie volcano feat at an indefinitely later time)
 
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Hey so I found the Atlas of Middle Earth book and here's the map of Mordor, if anybody's interested. It's unfortunately messed up since I had to combine two images from two separate pages to get this singular image, but I think it does the job.
 
Thank you for helping out. We appreciate it.
 
According to Karen Wynn Fonstad (author of Atlas of Middle-Earth), the height of Mount Doom is about 4500 feet, based on this passage:
Sam saw now that it was less lofty than the high passes of the Ephel Dúath which he and Frodo had scaled. The confused and tumbled shoulders of its great base rose for maybe three thousand feet above the plain, and above them was reared half as high again its tall central cone, like a vast oast or chimney capped with a jagged crater.
And based on mountain geography, the description given for the slope, and sketches made by Tolkien for Mount Doom, a seven-mile-diameter base was estimated.
So we should go with that.

Also, when figuring out the size of continents and such, here is a map with a scale annotated by Tolkien himself:
transcribed-map.jpg
 
Can somebody write a list of all the members who helped out earlier in this thread, so I can send a notification to them and ask for their help?
 
ShadowWhoWalks said:
According to Karen Wynn Fonstad (author of Atlas of Middle-Earth), the height of Mount Doom is about 4500 feet, based on this passage:
Sam saw now that it was less lofty than the high passes of the Ephel Dúath which he and Frodo had scaled. The confused and tumbled shoulders of its great base rose for maybe three thousand feet above the plain, and above them was reared half as high again its tall central cone, like a vast oast or chimney capped with a jagged crater.
And based on mountain geography, the description given for the slope, and sketches made by Tolkien for Mount Doom, a seven-mile-diameter base was estimated.
So we should go with that.

Also, when figuring out the size of continents and such, here is a map with a scale annotated by Tolkien himself:
transcribed-map.jpg
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Antvasima said:
That seems fine to me.

@Mr._Bambu @Jasonsith @Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan @Armorchompy

Are any of you willing to calculate based on that size?
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KieranH10 said:
What still needs doing here?
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I would be able to do that, but unfortunately not for about two weeks as I'm on holiday. So I likely won't be much help with calculating feats for that amount of time.

So I'm willing to do it, but I can almost guarantee someone else will be able to help much quicker than I can sadly.
 
I opened a seperate thread since I didn't know this one was still going on, but is the wording for the profiles going to be revised? A lot of the profiles frankly contain a good deal of headcanon and speculation.
 
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